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Does 50's Household conflict with M/s? - 12/1/2009 9:59:10 AM

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I was thinking about how the role of a 50s house wife (idealized/fetishized for this century version) might conflict with the what a lot of Masters consider to be an appropriate role for a slave. I understand that a slave's role is what ever their Master says it is. But do any of you Masters, personally, have an issue with your slave doing the duties of a 50s housewife which require some self-determination and decision making skills?

for example:

Making, and submitting to her husband, a budget for food and household items

Taking charge of, and pride in, decorating the house

Making her own schedule for chores that may only need to be done weekly, monthly, or annually,

Raising, teaching and disciplining children

Planning parties

I feel that one of the trade-offs for a housewife was that,while her husband had complete authority over her, she was in charge of the day to day workings of the house. As long as the home was clean, the husband fed, and their guests happy, He didn't bother with things like what color the tea towels should be.

Its not the 50s any more so a 50's household can be whatever you want it to be. Just as slavery is illegal, and defined by its participants. But I was wondering, does your personal idea of a 50's household conflict with your personal idea of a M/s relationship?

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RE: Does 50's Household conflict with M/s? - 12/1/2009 10:15:11 AM

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Not in the least, but M/s within our relationship does not exclude self-determination and decision-making skills on the part of the slave.

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RE: Does 50's Household conflict with M/s? - 12/1/2009 10:26:39 AM

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on that order, is sort of the way I see that issue.

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RE: Does 50's Household conflict with M/s? - 12/1/2009 11:55:15 AM

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I guess there are some who really get into the whole helpless slave, unable to do anything without being told how....but that just seems like more trouble than its worth, for me. I need a helpmate, not an invalid.

Kim handles the household tasks without needing instruction or guidance, and yet has no problem deferring to my judgement or decision when I feel the need.

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RE: Does 50's Household conflict with M/s? - 12/1/2009 12:19:00 PM

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I was wondering, does your personal idea of a 50's household conflict with your personal idea of a M/s relationship?

To me it wouldn't. But to me, the D/s relationship i enjoy with my Master, is just the way its supposed to be. i believe it's our Creators design.

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RE: Does 50's Household conflict with M/s? - 12/1/2009 12:22:01 PM

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I don't cook, hire a cleaning woman and hate the clothes from the 50's, so it would conflict with my view.

The only thing I like about the concept is the hidden aspect, like the Victorians, where the hidden is so illicit it provokes major intensity when allowed to be revealed.

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RE: Does 50's Household conflict with M/s? - 12/1/2009 12:35:41 PM

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I see no conflict at all. A slave is there to make her Master's life easier, not more difficult. A Master can choose to micromanage his slave and plan out every facet of her life. This, however, means a lot of work on the Master's part. Master can also choose to use his slave's brain wisely. A good intelligent slave will make Master's life so much easier.

A slave is not an animal needing to be supervised at all times because the slave is unable to reason or learn. A slave is a vibrant intelligent human who thrives on using her talents to please her Master. If Master chooses to not use her talents then he is left with the burdens of constant and never ending decision making. If Master wisely uses his slave's talents then his life is easier and his slave serves to complement his life.

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RE: Does 50's Household conflict with M/s? - 12/1/2009 12:57:41 PM

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quote:

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The only thing I like about the concept is the hidden aspect, like the Victorians, where the hidden is so illicit it provokes major intensity when allowed to be revealed.

kind of like this?

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ORIGINAL: peppermint
A slave is there to make her Master's life easier, not more difficult. <snip>
A slave is not an animal needing to be supervised at all times because the slave is unable to reason or learn. A slave is a vibrant intelligent human who thrives on using her talents to please her Master ,snip> If Master wisely uses his slave's talents then his life is easier and his slave serves to complement his life.

I agree...

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RE: Does 50's Household conflict with M/s? - 12/1/2009 1:06:40 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Hierodule

quote:

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The only thing I like about the concept is the hidden aspect, like the Victorians, where the hidden is so illicit it provokes major intensity when allowed to be revealed.

kind of like this?

... ...

Yes, but they don't have emoticons for what those Victorians REALLY did behind closed doors...muahhhha

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RE: Does 50's Household conflict with M/s? - 12/1/2009 1:19:03 PM

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tatting in the tweeds, were they?

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RE: Does 50's Household conflict with M/s? - 12/1/2009 1:30:34 PM

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tatting? you mean lace making? nah...I had much more deviant acts in mind.

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RE: Does 50's Household conflict with M/s? - 12/1/2009 4:57:40 PM

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If what I want her to do falls neatly into the parameters of a 50s household and she is obeying, the M/s dynamic is untainted.

If my slave is fighting/debating (if only internally) my regulations because of preconceptions of what my regulations 'should be', then the M/s dynamic is getting compromised.

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RE: Does 50's Household conflict with M/s? - 12/1/2009 5:03:15 PM

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tatting in the tweeds, were they?

Wow they had tatoos!?

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RE: Does 50's Household conflict with M/s? - 12/1/2009 5:14:06 PM

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I see no conflict at all. A slave is there to make her Master's life easier, not more difficult. A Master can choose to micromanage his slave and plan out every facet of her life. This, however, means a lot of work on the Master's part. Master can also choose to use his slave's brain wisely. A good intelligent slave will make Master's life so much easier.

A slave is not an animal needing to be supervised at all times because the slave is unable to reason or learn. A slave is a vibrant intelligent human who thrives on using her talents to please her Master. If Master chooses to not use her talents then he is left with the burdens of constant and never ending decision making. If Master wisely uses his slave's talents then his life is easier and his slave serves to complement his life.

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RE: Does 50's Household conflict with M/s? - 12/1/2009 5:49:51 PM

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I think that 50's household and broader M/s are both protocols and philosophies that people should experiment with. You keep what works and adapt the rest. I think adaptation is the key. You adapt the protocols to your needs, not the other way around. Just like in marriage, what works for one, might not for another, and there's no way of telling until you try.

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RE: Does 50's Household conflict with M/s? - 12/1/2009 5:52:35 PM

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The conflict seems to come from the other direction. The 50s household style couples often don't like the master-slave paradigm. They sometimes think it is sick and wrong. Lurk around on takeninhand.com for a bit and you'll see what i mean. It's not all over the place, but it does come up in conversations.

My style is more master-slave, but I lurk on that site at times. Why? The true stories of husbands getting their unruly wives in hand are pretty hot at times. :)

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RE: Does 50's Household conflict with M/s? - 12/1/2009 6:27:38 PM

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I think that 50's household and broader M/s are both protocols and philosophies that people should experiment with. You keep what works and adapt the rest. I think adaptation is the key. You adapt the protocols to your needs, not the other way around. Just like in marriage, what works for one, might not for another, and there's no way of telling until you try.

I agree with you completely. Protocol, or defining the relationship by a standard (other than my Master's) doesn't mean as much to me as having a fulfilling relationship and making him happy. I was more curious as to what more experienced M/s peeps had to say on how it applies to their personal relationship.

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If my slave is fighting/debating (if only internally) my regulations because of preconceptions of what my regulations 'should be', then the M/s dynamic is getting compromised.

I think that goes without saying, well now it does. I had no expectations of what being a slave meant when I first met my Master. Then I first started reading these boards, I saw a couple of posts that made me say "I'm not a slave, no way." When I talked to him about it and he made me realize that its what he wants from me and my willingness to give it that matters. The more I read here the more I see that most people agree its a dynamic between two people, not a uniform standard that one has to live up to.

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RE: Does 50's Household conflict with M/s? - 12/1/2009 6:38:23 PM

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If the master is an architect or a designer, or any kind of visual artist, I can imagine him wanting input into the decorating. If he's an engineer of some sort, he might just say he hates pink and leave it at that. Same for food, a professional chef will want to make more decisions. A sandhog just wants it good and plenty.

There's no hard and fast rules here. More importantly nobody has enough time to make all the decisions. So he doesn't stand over me asking why I used the Sicilian sea salt instead of the kosher salt. He just cares that there isn't any peas in the meal. As long as it's within his guidelines, his only interest is that it be on time. Different people have different interests.

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RE: Does 50's Household conflict with M/s? - 12/1/2009 7:14:09 PM

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ORIGINAL: Hierodule

I was wondering, does your personal idea of a 50's household conflict with your personal idea of a M/s relationship?

Not at all. Obviously everyone has their own definitions and implementations of M/s but the 50's household dynamic certainly falls within that if it's what the Master desires. A slave isn't a mindless robot. I personally would much rather have someone who was smart enough and mature enough to be trusted to act on their own initiative under my direction than someone I felt I had to dictate everything to down to the smallest activity. Complete micromanagement is more work for me. I don't need that.

Someone who's competent, clever and caring can make my life much better and more fulfilled than can someone who's servile but helpless or so completely hapless that they cannot be left to act on their own.

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RE: Does 50's Household conflict with M/s? - 12/1/2009 7:15:55 PM

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If the master is an architect or a designer, or any kind of visual artist, I can imagine him wanting input into the decorating. If he's an engineer of some sort, he might just say he hates pink and leave it at that.

Pink is pretty much out for me, when it comes to home decoration. So's orange, for that matter. Is my engineer showing through yet?

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