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RE: Obama On Mt. Rushmore? - 12/2/2009 12:58:28 PM   
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has there been any study done regarding whether or not the rock is anywhere near dense enough to depict reagan as he actually was?

Ron

I might not agree to the sentiment you imply in that posting, but is sure love the humour
Getting your mugshot on Mt, Rushmore should realy be reserved to presidents who is dead and remembered for being the best. I am Obama fan but that doesn't prevent him from having the oportunity of screewing up big style. JFK on the other hand i think you guys owes the honour.

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RE: Obama On Mt. Rushmore? - 12/2/2009 1:30:19 PM   
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Frankie, it was, Teddy was an athsmatic.


Ahh, ok. I was gonna say - if it was Teddy that brought the country out of the Depression, then I can understand why they put him on Mt. Rushmore - afaik, all the featured presidents brought something to the table with regards to our country developing:

Washington - First president
Lincoln - Emancipation Proclaimation
Jefferson - Primary author of the Declaration of Independance

But I'm at a loss as to Theodore Roosevelt..


Theodore Roosevelt did a hell of a lot actually. This is a partial list;

Politically;
Pure Food and Drug Act and The Meat Inspection Act (anti-adulteration, truth in labeling. Which was a huge problem in the day). Anyone who believes that the free market solves all needs to look at the times prior to such regulation. Whitewash in your milk, anyone?
Trust busting.
Numerous anti-corruption efforts.
The Monroe Doctrine (whether or not you agree with it)
"The Square Deal" - Precursor to the New Deal
Numerous Conservationist policies.
The Panama Canal.
Mediated the Treaty of Portsmouth which ended the Russo-Japanese war.
Won the Nobel peace prize (for that).
Started the Bull Moose Party.

Non-politically;
Lieutenant Colonel in the Army.
Awarded the Medal of Honor (posthumously).
Author. (The Naval War of 1812 in particular)





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RE: Obama On Mt. Rushmore? - 12/2/2009 1:42:19 PM   
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The connection is a very close one to Mt Rushmore....Gutzon Borglum, the sculptor of Mt Rushmore, was originally commissioned for the Stone Mountain project. Borglum was a member of the KKK and a member of its Imperial Kloncilium.


Do you have a source for that?

Everything I have seen suggests he was never a member and his association with the Klan was based on their funding of the Stone Mountain project.




The standard biography of Borglum is Six Wars at a Time; The Life and Times of Gutzon Borglum, sculptor of Mount Rushmore , Shaff and Shaff, Center for Western Studies, St. Augustana College, Sioux Falls, South Dakota, 1985. The web site "Mt Rushmore Revisited," http://rushmore.wingfoot.org/, offers lots of background information on Borglum and on the project in general.

The museum at Mount Rushmore displays a letter to Borglum from Klan leader D. C. Stephenson. A few years later, Stephenson was sentenced to life in prison, after being convicted of rape and murder, under especially lurid circumstances. The scandal around Stephenson contributed greatly to the decline of the KKK's influence. It has been suggested that Borglum's association with the KKK was strictly opportunistic. It has also been suggested that his repudiation of it was strictly opportunistic. It's quite possible that both suggestions are true. All we can say for sure is that Borglum's nativist and nationalist views preceded his connection to the KKK and continued after it.

The KKK in that period was more a nativist than a racialist organization in many ways. It now seems ironical that Borglum, the son of Danish immigrants, would have been attracted to nativism and the KKK. Borglum was born in the U. S., of Nordic Protestant stock. He, along with many others of the time, believed that gave him a special superior status compared to darker-skinned or Catholic immigrants and their offspring.

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RE: Obama On Mt. Rushmore? - 12/2/2009 2:02:38 PM   
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Jorel, that sexy chick, and the mute guy took care of that.

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RE: Obama On Mt. Rushmore? - 12/2/2009 2:13:30 PM   
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W liberated 50 million in Iraq and Afghanistan, while Ronald Reagan liberated all of the former Soviet "satellite states".



Groan.  Somethings and some people should be ignored.

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RE: Obama On Mt. Rushmore? - 12/2/2009 2:15:37 PM   
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Theodore Roosevelt did a hell of a lot actually. This is a partial list;


National Park System

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RE: Obama On Mt. Rushmore? - 12/2/2009 7:27:48 PM   
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RE: Obama On Mt. Rushmore? - 12/2/2009 7:56:36 PM   
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I laughed as much as I did at the suggestion that GWB be there instead... yep funny, altho not for the same reasons I suspect:)


Ok, I guess sometimes location makes all the difference in the world. When I saw "GWB" the first thing I thought of was "George Washington Bridge"

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RE: Obama On Mt. Rushmore? - 12/3/2009 2:39:36 AM   
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W liberated 50 million in Iraq and Afghanistan...



Funny, they don't seem to be erecting statues of Bush in either country.

You sure they know about this "liberation" thing?

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RE: Obama On Mt. Rushmore? - 12/3/2009 2:42:46 AM   
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I think it would be hard to carve Obama's ears out of a big rock.


He didn't carve ears on any of them.  Problem solved.

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RE: Obama On Mt. Rushmore? - 12/3/2009 2:53:09 AM   
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Neither. Theodore was before the Great Depression. Franklin was trying to bring us out of it but only made it worse until WW2 came along and bailed his ass out.



Said the conservative revisionist.

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RE: Obama On Mt. Rushmore? - 12/3/2009 6:06:48 AM   
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Things aren't quite as simple as you seem to believe they are. For example, the women in Afghanistan who are no longer being buried up to their chins and stoned to death as punishment for being raped may not realize that George Bush helped to save them, but he did never the less. And in Iraq W obviously isn't nearly as popular among the minority Sunnis who were to Iraq as the Nazis were to Europe, but among the Shia who were viciously repressed under the Sunnis he is generally more popular.

And among the Kurds who are to Iraq as the Jews were to Nazi Germany he is immensely popular...

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W liberated 50 million in Iraq and Afghanistan...



Funny, they don't seem to be erecting statues of Bush in either country.

You sure they know about this "liberation" thing?



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RE: Obama On Mt. Rushmore? - 12/3/2009 6:29:23 AM   
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W liberated 50 million in Iraq and Afghanistan...



Funny, they don't seem to be erecting statues of Bush in either country.

You sure they know about this "liberation" thing?




To be scrupulously fair, they did do him honor by offering him their shoes.

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RE: Obama On Mt. Rushmore? - 12/3/2009 6:49:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		Sanity, Bush ain't gonna get on Rushmore.  He will be known as the guy on whose watch 9/11 happened (per Richard Clarke, he cut some of the departments who could have forestalled it), and the guy on whose watch the economy fell apart.  The verdict is out of Iraq and Afghanistan, but he invaded them with no idea what he would do with them afterward.  You can say that neither one has a stable government that could survive if the US pulled out, and ew won;t be there forever.

Rockspider, what did JFK do to deserve a Rushmore head?  NASA was the only positive thing he did. The Bay of Pigs was a disaster, and screwing Marilyn and having a photogenic wife aren't really accomplishments.

Edited to add:  They DO make a Chia pet Obama.  Is that close enough to a Rushmore head?


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RE: Obama On Mt. Rushmore? - 12/3/2009 6:57:41 AM   
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I never wrote that he was, but he'll be up there before Obama ever will. Hell, Dick Cheney will appear on Mt. Rushmore before Obama is even considered...



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Sanity, Bush ain't gonna get on Rushmore.


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RE: Obama On Mt. Rushmore? - 12/3/2009 7:00:12 AM   
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(Snarky comment - if there was a Cheney chia head, it wouldn't look like him if the chia actually GREW.)

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I never wrote that he was, but he'll be up there before Obama ever will. Hell, Dick Cheney will appear on Mt. Rushmore before Obama is even considered...

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Sanity, Bush ain't gonna get on Rushmore.



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RE: Obama On Mt. Rushmore? - 12/3/2009 7:01:08 AM   
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RE: Obama On Mt. Rushmore? - 12/3/2009 7:03:31 AM   
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May I politely mention that there is now an Obama chia head, before a Bush or a Cheney chia head?

(Snarky comment - if there was a Cheney chia head, it wouldn't look like him if the chia actually GREW.)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

I never wrote that he was, but he'll be up there before Obama ever will. Hell, Dick Cheney will appear on Mt. Rushmore before Obama is even considered...

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Sanity, Bush ain't gonna get on Rushmore.





Well, if Cheney gets a chia head, they certainly will use that face for target practice..........

Ron

and chiathepet is going to come in here and give us all hell, for besmirching his nick, you know.......proceed at your own risk.



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RE: Obama On Mt. Rushmore? - 12/3/2009 7:29:36 AM   
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chiathepet is going to come in here and give us all hell, for besmirching his nick, you know.......proceed at your own risk.




Sanity started it!!!!


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RE: Obama On Mt. Rushmore? - 12/3/2009 7:40:25 AM   
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Washington wore a wig though, didn't he? I'm pretty sure he had wooden teeth, too, so I doubt that sort of thing is any kind of disqualifier.


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