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Hierodule -> RE: What are the pitfalls of 24/7 sexual slavery? (12/2/2009 1:01:27 PM)

aldompdx:

You posted this video in another thread and I forgot to thank you. Contrary to what others say here, I think it is important to keep in mind that non-consentual sexual slavery is very real for many woman in our "modern" world. No one can deny that BDSM and Gorean slavery is different. Its a relationship that the slave benefits from even if it isn't always pure pleasure from them. The girls in this video do not benefit from their condition they suffer for it (and not in a fun way.)I was inspired by this video. If My Master allows me, when I am in his care, I would like to do something to help victims of sexual trafficking. I found the IAST website there are a few things listed on the site  that I could easily do in my "free" time.

Knit
  • If you are a knitter, consider knitting a scarf (or several scarves) for women caught up in the commercial sex trade. In 2004 a group of Virginia church women knitted beautiful scarves which were then given to a program in Baltimore that does street outreach to women in prostitution. The scarves were combined in packages with other personal care items and given as Christmas presents to women still trapped in life on the streets. Recipients were thrilled to be given such lovely gifts and to know that people were thinking of them. If there is not an exit program for prostituted women in your area, send your scarves to IAST (and we will distribute them to programs that will make them available to this target population).
  • Volunteer
    • IAST would benefit greatly from people who could volunteer to do research, website development, graphic design, law review, and volunteer coordination. 

  • Use your musical talents to write and record a song about trafficking.
  • Produce your own anti-trafficking video. A group of students from a Washington DC area college as part of an advocacy project produced an eight minute video on trafficking. Perhaps you can too.

    I am going to discuss this subject with my Master and get his input. Thank You.

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: aldompdx

    Gain more understanding about the difference between the REAL thing and the illusory fantasy, by watching this PBS documentary:

    Global Voices, The Day My God Died
    Alternatively, the URL can be copied and pasted into the address bar of your web browser.
    http://www.hulu.com/watch/69769/global-voices-the-day-my-god-died
    The Hulu website requires the Adobe Flash plug-in to display the video.

    This is a PBS "Independent Lens" documentary broadcast on 11/30/04.
    PBS, Independent Lens DMGD
    http://www.pbs.org/independentlens/daymygoddied/
    "Young girls whose lives were shattered by the sex trade describe the day they were abducted from their villages as 'the day my god died.' By weaving footage from the brothels of Bombay with these girls’ stories, Levine offers an unforgettable examination of the growing plague of sex slavery."

    Every self proclaimed "master/slave" should watch this documentary to learn about the difference between the real thing, and their illusory fantasy.





    • Elisabella -> RE: What are the pitfalls of 24/7 sexual slavery? (12/2/2009 1:45:00 PM)

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: PervertedOwner4U

    I am planning my first 24/7 sexual slavery situation. It seems to me that a purely sexual relationship, though very emotional in some ways, might get rather tedious after a while. But perhaps I need to see it from a different angle. An intelligent and personable slave might get bored, no matter how much she wants to just be a slave all her days. Are there general tips that can be found? I'll bet most don't work out. I imagine those with some components from traditional relationships are the ones to endure in greater numbers. Anyone have an opinion?

    Thanks so much!!! 


    If you don't have a lot of disposable income then yes it will become extremely boring.

    If you can afford the luxury of a purely sexual slave (IE you have a maid come in everyday to keep the house right, cuz really a Master tidying up after his sex slave isn't right, and a sex slave tidying up after herself is just as ridiculous) then I'd say to stop her from being bored you have to realize that "sex" isn't just the act of fucking.

    A sex slave can take belly dance class, stripping class (seriously it's offered at some gyms, stripper workout), learn calligraphy to artfully transcribe erotic poetry to hang on the wall, learn to sew by hand (more sensual than sewing on a machine) and make beautiful outfits for herself, send her to someplace like MAC training school until she's able to apply cosmetics to her face flawlessly, send her in for manicures at least weekly...there are SO many things that have to do with beauty/eroticism that can keep her very occupied and entertained. Getting a manicure or getting your hair done puts a woman in a beautiful mood...not to mention it will enter the schedule for her as "go get more beautiful for your master" which also will do amazing things to her mindset.

    But if you're wondering if you can afford perpetual dance lessons (bellydance is something you can do always, but you have to get tango and salsa and all the other erotic partner dances too so she can get a full idea of using her body as an instrument of eroticism) and makeup lessons and mani/pedis 2x a week and closets full of clothes and shoes and dressers full of lingerie and a whole drawer of makeup and all the other things like that, if you're thinking "I'm just going to have sex with her on my Ikea bed and leave her to her own devices during the day with an order to 'do sexy things' without the capital to accomplish that" then yeah you're probably going to have a bored sex slave.

    There's a reason that courtesans saw more than one man. A single man couldn't afford to keep them in their preferred lifestyle.

    ETA: There's also a difference between a sex slave and a pleasure slave. What I described above is a pleasure slave. A sex slave is simply a body to have sex with anytime you want it, but there's no guarantee she will be in the mood. With a pleasure slave every act she does carries a subtle hint of eroticism, and she will love sex and be able to devote her life to eroticism and pleasure, like a priestess of Venus.

    If you're thinking you're going to be happy just having a warm body to spread her legs when you want, I suggest you don't make any strong commitment until you try it. Most people don't want a sex slave they want a pleasure slave, and again, that takes a lot of money. It's difficult to feel like a sex goddess when you're wearing the same Old Navy miniskirt every week...and when you don't have the ability to get new outfits and accessories to make your man see you with new eyes everyday - the most beautiful woman in the world will start to seem average if she looks the same everyday. You get used to it.

    A pleasure slave's job is to bring out the primal man in her owner, to seduce and tantalize him until he's unable to resist taking her, which takes away the stressful and mundane aspects of a man's life and work and gives him rest...restoring his spirit and strength as a man, not as a worker or as a father or any other role, simply as the essence of a *man* - and allows him to recharge for the next day.



    Hierodule -> RE: What are the pitfalls of 24/7 sexual slavery? (12/2/2009 1:57:47 PM)

    Elisabella, I like the way you think [;)]



    thaprincess -> RE: What are the pitfalls of 24/7 sexual slavery? (12/2/2009 2:04:50 PM)

    Elisabella that is so very true. Bravo!



    ishyB -> RE: What are the pitfalls of 24/7 sexual slavery? (12/2/2009 2:12:19 PM)

    Bella, my dear friend, are you taking applications?

    Cause you sure do know how to write an add. [:D]



    Elisabella -> RE: What are the pitfalls of 24/7 sexual slavery? (12/2/2009 2:15:08 PM)

    Thank you both :)

    *grins* and with a name like Hierodule I'm guessing you have firsthand experience in what I wrote as theory [;)]



    Elisabella -> RE: What are the pitfalls of 24/7 sexual slavery? (12/2/2009 2:16:08 PM)


    quote:

    ORIGINAL: ishyB

    Bella, my dear friend, are you taking applications?

    Cause you sure do know how to write an add. [:D]


    Hey you!

    I'm going to pop on yahoo, get on if you've got some time :)



    Mercnbeth -> RE: What are the pitfalls of 24/7 sexual slavery? (12/2/2009 2:21:04 PM)

    quote:

    ...It's difficult to feel like a sex goddess when you're wearing the same Old Navy miniskirt every week...and when you don't have the ability to get new outfits and accessories to make your man see you with new eyes everyday - the most beautiful woman in the world will start to seem average if she looks the same everyday...


    couldn't disagree more.  outfits and make-up do not define beautiful for every man or every woman...and this slave has no difficulty feeling like a sexgoddess completely without either...and does, quite frequently.
    that's not to say she doesn't play dress up from time to time...just that it isn't a requirement to feel and be perceived as sexy and beautiful.



    Elisabella -> RE: What are the pitfalls of 24/7 sexual slavery? (12/2/2009 3:32:22 PM)


    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

    quote:

    ...It's difficult to feel like a sex goddess when you're wearing the same Old Navy miniskirt every week...and when you don't have the ability to get new outfits and accessories to make your man see you with new eyes everyday - the most beautiful woman in the world will start to seem average if she looks the same everyday...


    couldn't disagree more.  outfits and make-up do not define beautiful for every man or every woman...and this slave has no difficulty feeling like a sexgoddess completely without either...and does, quite frequently.
    that's not to say she doesn't play dress up from time to time...just that it isn't a requirement to feel and be perceived as sexy and beautiful.


    Good point...I haven't actually lived as a pleasure slave, what I wrote is just my idea of what it would take for a woman to devote herself entirely to sensuality and beauty and sexuality...and everyone does have their own idea of what's beautiful (else there wouldn't be so many guys on this site offering to buy women implants and collagen injections *shudder*) so I guess it is possible to be a pure pleasure slave without the accoutrements.



    Mercnbeth -> RE: What are the pitfalls of 24/7 sexual slavery? (12/2/2009 5:12:31 PM)

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Elisabella


    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

    quote:

    ...It's difficult to feel like a sex goddess when you're wearing the same Old Navy miniskirt every week...and when you don't have the ability to get new outfits and accessories to make your man see you with new eyes everyday - the most beautiful woman in the world will start to seem average if she looks the same everyday...


    couldn't disagree more.  outfits and make-up do not define beautiful for every man or every woman...and this slave has no difficulty feeling like a sexgoddess completely without either...and does, quite frequently.
    that's not to say she doesn't play dress up from time to time...just that it isn't a requirement to feel and be perceived as sexy and beautiful.


    Good point...I haven't actually lived as a pleasure slave, what I wrote is just my idea of what it would take for a woman to devote herself entirely to sensuality and beauty and sexuality...and everyone does have their own idea of what's beautiful (else there wouldn't be so many guys on this site offering to buy women implants and collagen injections *shudder*) so I guess it is possible to be a pure pleasure slave without the accoutrements.


    thanks for the reply and for your honesty.  this slave has lived as what some would consider a "pleasure slave" for almost 7 years now.  it has been this slave's experience that it takes a whole hell of a lot of confidence, in your sublimely naked form, physically and mentally, in order to function as one, which is way more important than wardrobe and make-up.
     
    second to confidence is the desire/need to please...which varies, according to the Dom's needs/desires.  In other words, if He desired fake DD's and botox injections and La Perla outifts in order to view this slave as the ultimate in sexuality, then she would do whatever was necessary for Him to have it...but it sure does make it less expensive and life threatening to be happy with this slave the way the Great Architect made her.



    MasterSlaveLA -> RE: What are the pitfalls of 24/7 sexual slavery? (12/2/2009 5:26:19 PM)

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    ORIGINAL: PervertedOwner4U

    What are the pitfalls of 24/7 sexual slavery?



    Friction burn.




    DesFIP -> RE: What are the pitfalls of 24/7 sexual slavery? (12/2/2009 6:13:51 PM)

    You can't have a 24/7 sexual slavery only situation. You will need to sleep, eat, shower etc.
    I'm assuming you are only bedroom d/s but you live together and that's what you mean by this.

    If you like each other enough to live together, then obviously you have other things to do and talk about than sex. Otherwise you wouldn't be sharing a life. We're normal people, today for excitement we went to the grocery store. Next I'm doing laundry. People still go to work, clean house, watch tv, read books etc. Nobody has sex round the clock.

    And op, put some clothes on.



    Elisabella -> RE: What are the pitfalls of 24/7 sexual slavery? (12/2/2009 6:45:27 PM)


    quote:

    ORIGINAL: DesFIP

    And op, put some clothes on.


    Seriously it freaks me out when anyone puts a naked picture of themselves as their profile picture but doubly so for a heterosexual man because as a woman I don't find the male body something to lust over and ogle at the way men look at naked women.

    Adding a full naked picture of yourself to a profile ad (selling yourself) makes the person look like a piece of flesh on display and while I can understand how a slave might want to have that as part of their relationship dynamic, I can't see why a dominant would want to put themselves on parade like that.

    Shirtless I get for guys, but full naked with pubes in the pic makes a man seem womanish in that he wants his body to be lusted after based on appearance alone. And to me that's an utter turnoff.



    PervertedOwner4U -> RE: What are the pitfalls of 24/7 sexual slavery? (12/2/2009 6:48:57 PM)

    Hello to all!

    I found so many of your answers very enlightening. I do have enough sense to have thought of most of what was offered. Sorry about the lack of shirt. I did grow up in a rather relaxed environment about nudity and forget that many people could construe it as uncivilized or a sexual statement. Sorry about that. I suppose my profile does fall too heavily into a description of my sexual fantasies, which should be understood to be quite apart from my practical self. I shant be too defensive as I lead a fairly enjoyable life where I am a very positive member of society. I am also particularly good at maintaining long relationships. My children are thriving. I think I will tone down my profile although so far it has been an enjoyable gateway to speaking with many great people.

    I might add that 24/7 sexual slavery is what she has asked me to provide to her. I've already told her that it won't last without respect, trust, and even love. But I wanted to see if there were any angles I might use to educate her about what she wants. To seperate the fantasy from reality.

    Again, I thank you for all the statements, supportive or critical. I ensure all of you that I am quite the proponent of controlling ones sexuality so it does not cause actual harm or destruction to personalities or to society. It should be a release from the pressure of sexual compression (which seems more of a problem for some of us than others), so that the truly important things in life may be better tended to.

    Bye!



    CaringandReal -> RE: What are the pitfalls of 24/7 sexual slavery? (12/2/2009 7:27:39 PM)


    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth
    the Great Architect....[/color][/font]


    Sometimes a phrase pops out of a post and slaps you on the face! There was a juvenile series I read a year or two ago that had "The Great Architect" as an absent character. Keys to the kingdom? I'd completely forgotten about those books.



    Musicmystery -> RE: What are the pitfalls of 24/7 sexual slavery? (12/2/2009 7:46:16 PM)

    quote:

    I do agree with the notion that the OP needs more of a plan than to keep her as just a sex slave 24/7. She will get bored pretty fast, unless her owner finds away to keep her occupied between the moments they are having sex.


    In fact, the OP will get bored pretty fast too with no better plan than that.



    Mercnbeth -> RE: What are the pitfalls of 24/7 sexual slavery? (12/2/2009 8:09:15 PM)

    quote:

    ...Keys to the kingdom? I'd completely forgotten about those books...


    never read them.  for this slave, it is short for "Great Architect of The Universe"---the Masonic equivalent of "God", "Allah", etc.



    NormalOutside -> RE: What are the pitfalls of 24/7 sexual slavery? (12/2/2009 8:17:46 PM)

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: AnimusRex
    General Tip #1: You ask for a woman who can "function socially and non-sexually as well". Maybe she would want the same.

    Maybe, yeah. But it doesn't sound like the OP would take on someone like that. Your argument is kind of, well, stupid. You're saying "many women aren't after the same thing you are". You're right... but that isn't the point. There's ALL kinds of people out there. If there's a dominant male looking for a female sex slave, there's a female sex slave looking for a dominant male. Period.

    (I'm not saying the guy sounds like someone I'd get along with, I'm just saying your argument was crap.)



    Acer49 -> RE: What are the pitfalls of 24/7 sexual slavery? (12/2/2009 10:19:51 PM)


    quote:

    ORIGINAL: PervertedOwner4U

    I am planning my first 24/7 sexual slavery situation. It seems to me that a purely sexual relationship, though very emotional in some ways, might get rather tedious after a while. But perhaps I need to see it from a different angle. An intelligent and personable slave might get bored, no matter how much she wants to just be a slave all her days. Are there general tips that can be found? I'll bet most don't work out. I imagine those with some components from traditional relationships are the ones to endure in greater numbers. Anyone have an opinion?

    Thanks so much!!! 


    No matter how great the two of you are inbetween the sheet, this one dimentional type of relationship will fail. there has to be more to a relationship than just one thing



    Thatbastard -> RE: What are the pitfalls of 24/7 sexual slavery? (12/2/2009 11:57:40 PM)

    Heh. I have a pet saying that D/s relationship anniversaries ought to be measured in dog years since they tend to be so short but intense. I am not an expert 24/7. Most of my past experience was in more session oriented play. In fact I confess my present girl sort of had to talk me into trying it again, but I'm glad she did. We've been togeather for about three and a half years, now, at any rate.

    I there are as many potential pitfalls in 24/7 as there in any relationship. I bet everyone finds a few new ones. But I think one of the pitfalls is calling it sexual slavery. Not that sex shouldn't be part... even a big part, but I think it highlights a limitation in how one views it. It limits your options and the tools you have to stimulate.

    I encourage just as much thought being put into other things and activities as sex. When you give her activities, keep her challenged, but always let her get that reward of seeing how it pleases you when she performs well. I don't know the subject, but you seem like you can be pretty thoughtful and creative. Think of finding ways of letting her serve as your own particular brand of what romance would be in a vanilla relationship.

    Also, never let her tell you how dominant you should be. Reserve the right to not give a damn about one thing or another. She'll likely want you to make alot of decisions outside of the bedroom. Do so but don't be afraid to make clear that you're basically flipping a coin and choosing at random.

    Honestly? This is going to sound horrible. But the show Dog Whisperer is really good for general ideas.

    (I know I'm gonna get in trouble for that. I don't mean it to be read into... but, yknow...calm assertive energy!)

    (PS: I reread that, and I guess it's late. I didn't keep the question in my head and while I meant to stick to talking about pitfalls, it prolly came across with advice not asked for. Though I'm too tired to rewrite now, sorry if I was presumptuous.)



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