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RapierFugue -> RE: What are the pitfalls of 24/7 sexual slavery? (12/4/2009 12:35:54 AM)


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ORIGINAL: sirsholly
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ORIGINAL: RapierFugue
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ORIGINAL: PervertedOwner4U
Oh, I forgot to mention, per some of the comments, that I emphasize my  perversion in my profile because I am more sexually perverted than approximately 90% of the fine people on this site

That's an interesting faux-statistic. How did you arrive at it?
yeah.....since the op has no knowledge of any of us, i was wondering this myself.

95% of people know that 87.5% of statistics are made up.



sirsholly -> RE: What are the pitfalls of 24/7 sexual slavery? (12/4/2009 1:52:39 AM)

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ORIGINAL: RapierFugue


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ORIGINAL: sirsholly
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ORIGINAL: RapierFugue
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ORIGINAL: PervertedOwner4U
Oh, I forgot to mention, per some of the comments, that I emphasize my  perversion in my profile because I am more sexually perverted than approximately 90% of the fine people on this site

That's an interesting faux-statistic. How did you arrive at it?
yeah.....since the op has no knowledge of any of us, i was wondering this myself.

95% of people know that 87.5% of statistics are made up.
That's an interesting faux-statistic. How did you arrive at it? [:D][:D][:D][:D][:D]



aldompdx -> RE: What are the pitfalls of 24/7 sexual slavery? (12/4/2009 2:13:26 AM)

I stand partially corrected.

OXFORD ENGLISH DICTIONARY
DRAFT ADDITIONS JUNE 2006

slave, n.1 (and adj.)
- A person who plays the submissive role in sadomasochistic sexual activity. Cf. MASTER n.1 2d, MISTRESS n. 2g.
1901 Suburban Souls I. iv. 81 My best beloved master, Do come tomorrow... Try to stay as late as possible if you wish to please your slave and make her very happy. 1907 J. P. KIRKWOOD Sadopaideia I. 52 The fascination of domination held me, and though..I had both Muriel and Juliette as my mistresses, that was more for their pleasure than my own. For myself I was their master, they were my slaves. 1921 F. SAVAGE tr. L. von Sacher-Masoch Venus in Furs 73 ‘You have awakened my dearest dream... To be the slave of a woman, a beautiful woman, whom I love, whom I worship.’ ‘And who on that account maltreats you.’ 1980 E. WHITE in L. Michaels & C. B. Ricks State of Lang. 244 The way to ask someone to be your slave..is ‘are you into a bottom scene?’ 1995 Independent 22 Mar. 23/3 It is hard to imagine him as a stereotypical leather-clad, whip-wielding ‘master’ disciplining his ‘slave’.

It also remains vitally important to never forget the origin of the word "SLAVE" clearly connotes non-consent (also from OED):
med.L. sclavus, sclava, identical with the racial name Sclavus (see SLAV), the Slavonic population in parts of central Europe having been reduced to a servile condition by conquest; the transferred sense is clearly evidenced in documents of the 9th century.

We all live on planet "nilla" Earth. To argue that a "sex slave" merely pertains to a lifestyle choice, is like arguing that a "nigger" merely pertains to poor pronounciation of classical Latin (niger), Middle French (negre), Dutch/German/Swedish/Danish (neger), Spanish/Portuguese/Italian (negro) -- for black. (source, OED). The latter is surely the perspective of many caucasians in the U.S. deep south. Ironically, both words are equally charged in the same subject matter.




PervertedOwner4U -> RE: What are the pitfalls of 24/7 sexual slavery? (12/4/2009 2:42:22 AM)

Using Faux-logic, of course.




OrionTheWolf -> RE: What are the pitfalls of 24/7 sexual slavery? (12/4/2009 4:49:26 AM)

Now this is much better, giving factual information and then offering opinion on it.

If we wanted to open a new topic on it, I could fill pages on the history of slavery and how it was viewed in different cultures; Egyptians, Babylonians, Romans, Early Northern Europe, Central Asia, etc. Some of these cultures treated them with no rights and do as you please, while others gave them certain legal rights and protections, even charting a course on how to gain their freedom. Some slaves, because of being owned by good Masters, did not even take those paths to freedom, some of the enjoying important positions including advisors.

The more brutal slavery practiced up until the time of the US Civil war is what springs to many people's mind, if they are unaware of BDSM and other history. Things are viewed differently, in different context, and posting in a BDSM forum in needs to be seen in that context.



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ORIGINAL: aldompdx

I stand partially corrected.

OXFORD ENGLISH DICTIONARY
DRAFT ADDITIONS JUNE 2006

slave, n.1 (and adj.)
- A person who plays the submissive role in sadomasochistic sexual activity. Cf. MASTER n.1 2d, MISTRESS n. 2g.
1901 Suburban Souls I. iv. 81 My best beloved master, Do come tomorrow... Try to stay as late as possible if you wish to please your slave and make her very happy. 1907 J. P. KIRKWOOD Sadopaideia I. 52 The fascination of domination held me, and though..I had both Muriel and Juliette as my mistresses, that was more for their pleasure than my own. For myself I was their master, they were my slaves. 1921 F. SAVAGE tr. L. von Sacher-Masoch Venus in Furs 73 ‘You have awakened my dearest dream... To be the slave of a woman, a beautiful woman, whom I love, whom I worship.’ ‘And who on that account maltreats you.’ 1980 E. WHITE in L. Michaels & C. B. Ricks State of Lang. 244 The way to ask someone to be your slave..is ‘are you into a bottom scene?’ 1995 Independent 22 Mar. 23/3 It is hard to imagine him as a stereotypical leather-clad, whip-wielding ‘master’ disciplining his ‘slave’.

It also remains vitally important to never forget the origin of the word "SLAVE" clearly connotes non-consent (also from OED):
med.L. sclavus, sclava, identical with the racial name Sclavus (see SLAV), the Slavonic population in parts of central Europe having been reduced to a servile condition by conquest; the transferred sense is clearly evidenced in documents of the 9th century.

We all live on planet "nilla" Earth. To argue that a "sex slave" merely pertains to a lifestyle choice, is like arguing that a "nigger" merely pertains to poor pronounciation of classical Latin (niger), Middle French (negre), Dutch/German/Swedish/Danish (neger), Spanish/Portuguese/Italian (negro) -- for black. (source, OED). The latter is surely the perspective of many caucasians in the U.S. deep south. Ironically, both words are equally charged in the same subject matter.





CaringandReal -> RE: What are the pitfalls of 24/7 sexual slavery? (12/4/2009 4:52:14 AM)

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ORIGINAL: PervertedOwner4U

Using Faux-logic, of course.




ROFL!

Responding gracefully whilst under a major shit-firing takes qualities that I would guess (from their behavior) that many people posting to this thread have never even heard of--let alone practiced. I imagine you're getting email about this, but I wanted to put in the public recrod that at least one person is greatly appreciating your responses. :)



Lucienne -> RE: What are the pitfalls of 24/7 sexual slavery? (12/4/2009 5:35:47 AM)

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ORIGINAL: aldompdx

I stand partially corrected.

OXFORD ENGLISH DICTIONARY
DRAFT ADDITIONS JUNE 2006

slave, n.1 (and adj.)
- A person who plays the submissive role in sadomasochistic sexual activity.


If enough people use a word a specific, but non-traditional, way, it will eventually end up in the dictionary. This definition took until 2006 to make it in as an addition to the online dictionary. I would also note that it is not a particularly accurate definition of how the word is used by bdsm folks. I'm not familiar with the politics of draft additions to the OED, but this one should be challenged as inaccurate.



rockspider -> RE: What are the pitfalls of 24/7 sexual slavery? (12/4/2009 8:10:35 AM)

Looking at this particular OP and his profile I have seen plenty of these kind of relationships. Having lived in a country with a large portion of third world proportion in it. No social security and very high number of low educated women and litlle demand for their skill it invariably leads to a high number of would be prostitutes. This again leads that the compitition among them is fierce and the pickings low. The best option for them is the socalled sugardaddy. In most african countries any man, irespective of his looks, manners or age, with a home and money for food and might be a litlle pocketmoney can pick any number he wish. Seeing some fat, old, alkoholised geezer waltzing around with a 18 year old beautifull girl is very common. I had friends who did this there, and they told me that their biggest problem was not keeping them, but preventing it to turn poly as within a few days her friend would come visiting and if you didn't told her to leave she wouldn't. She would be quite happy to perform as or with the first. If they didn't put a stop to it, that pattern would continue until the guy trew a whole lot out. I have over a periode tried this with picking one (or 2) up on a friday. But by sunday i would normally return them as by then I was bored with a woman who I had nothing but the sexual in common with. None of them had anything to offer on the social and intellectual level. Funny enough i was extremely popular in the place i used for pick ups. But i attributed it more to the fact i was not stingy and always handed over ample money for them. But i was certainly also aware that they enjoyed spending time in a home so obvious above the standards they were used to. Quite a few would tell me that my kink was nice and which guy don't like to hear he is the worlds best lover. Some of the guys found a real gem which they could communicate with and those relationship was nice to watch. But those who realy was a 24/7 hooker on tap, was mostly abusive and filled with conflicts.



PervertedOwner4U -> RE: What are the pitfalls of 24/7 sexual slavery? (12/4/2009 2:19:46 PM)

Hello, All!

Thanks, CaringAndReal and the others! I appreciate your kind words!

I treasure the gems given to me by thoughtful and generous people of good will. I tend to ignore the dog turds.

And I am pleased by some of the interesting subjects my original question has raised, as it they are important ones. I abhor oppression and am moved by those who care enough to do something about it.

And, again, thank you to all who contributed something positive to this discussion! And may you ALL find truth, beauty, and goodness in equal measure as you progress through this life. Love is the desire to do good to someone, so don't cut yourself short! 

Bye!







elleX -> RE: What are the pitfalls of 24/7 sexual slavery? (12/5/2009 6:31:37 AM)

 With all my respect ,
i dont beleive into a 24/7 slavery to last very long if it is only sexual
Like the others member say , You and her have other needs , and other intersets ,, the need to * fit* with each other in differents area  is very important
just my humble opinion

elleX



LanceHughes -> RE: What are the pitfalls of 24/7 sexual slavery? (12/5/2009 12:23:09 PM)

Two thoughts: If she is there for your sexual desires, consider what that means to you.... Are you hard 24/7 ?
If you had to ask, you don't know..... Get a plan in place.

Regards, Lance



DemonKia -> RE: What are the pitfalls of 24/7 sexual slavery? (12/5/2009 1:07:17 PM)

You're the dominant. Figure out how you want to make use of her talents & skills & proclivities. As a perverted dominant type this should be like finding gold nuggets to craft into art. Make her give you the 'vanilla relationship' stuff that will sustain the long-term & reward her with the kinky rough sex stuff you'd both enjoy, from the sound of it . . . . .

Ishy contributed on here & her experience seemed the most directly relevant thing presented so far in the thread . . . .

Further, the part I bolded in your quote, below. As a toply / domly type, I'd be concerned, especially from a younger s-type person (most especially a 20-ish person), that there was significant fantasist components that may or may not shift with experience. So I'd have contingency plans, I'd tend to want to dole out the SM & such sparingly, & I'd steer the person to being a better person -- mostly in accord with whatever they already are, possess & etc . . . . . (But I do that last bit anyway. I'm the parent of several adult humans, & I do a certain amount of life-counseling with them, their peers, my social circle, random strangers, & etc . . . . . . )

As a dom, I'd feel a (very parental) responsibility to reply, in general, to that kind of request with something along the lines of "Yes, it would be a lot of fun to be gettin' fucked & played with all the time but we live in reality where there are other aspects to life. So, let's figure out how we can be feelin' the sexxxy-sexxxy a lot & work towards a greater vanilla future, too." (College, career, having a life alongside being a kinky-slut toy . . . . . Turning humans into fuck-bots seems like kind of a waste, personally.)

Maybe give her a book about the great courtesans, who educated themselves & were as desirable for the companionate & intellectual skills as that other stuff, so that she has a bigger view of what a really great sexual servant can be . .. . . (If you can lay hands on a copy, this is a great book on the subject.)

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ORIGINAL: PervertedOwner4U

But I do run into young women fairly often who wish ONLY to be sexually used and abused with no thought for their safety or pleasure. Seems pretty unhealthy (and boring after a while) to me! But I have met a young female who got me thinking about this stuff. She wants to be used as a "fuck-toy". She wishes fairly harsh use with cruelty and aggression. While I can certainly provide these sexually, I could never be that way in "real" life, where I tend to spend most of my time. She is also open to affection and even love, which makes me very pleased as I have much to give in this way too. I am very paternal, so I also look forward to helping her find a place in the real world as well as in our private sexual world.

Thanks to all you very helpful people!



DemonKia -> RE: What are the pitfalls of 24/7 sexual slavery? (12/5/2009 1:54:26 PM)

Perhaps a simpler paraphrase of my tome, above:

What's the fun of wiping one's feet off on a doormat when much more interesting targets present themselves?

My 'straight femdom' fantasies largely center on someone of the stature of a Sir Richard Branson wanting to be my abject fuck slave, cuz that would be fun for me . . . . . Or, barring that, some nice corporate CEO or politico or major-league academic would be enjoyable, too . . . .

So, again, OP, as the dom, what do you want to 'wipe your feet on'? That's the thought-question that should drive your thinking . . . . . . .



masterdstar -> RE: What are the pitfalls of 24/7 sexual slavery? (12/16/2009 1:14:56 PM)

The difference between sub (called slave) and slave; sexual vs. surrendered. Hard to believe I know but even sex gets bore-DING!
Even those who claim it is all about sex have other desires and must meet them in one way or another.
If that is all there is then many will look elsewhere sooner or later. Need the new is human. 
Enslavement is slaveness not just sex.

Enjoy your wonder-filled day



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