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makemewrite -> RE: What are the pitfalls of 24/7 sexual slavery? (12/3/2009 2:47:46 AM)
What jumps out at me is on your profile you keep repeating that you're a pervert & have unusual sexual tastes. This is a forum for kinky people - we ALL have unusual tastes!!! Can you be more specific? I see that you already have a particular slave in mind, so maybe it's a moot point & you've already discussed the details with her. It just seems odd that you're telling a bunch of pervs what a perv you are. Maybe we don't believe you, maybe we're WAY more perverted than you are. And yes, I did see that you wrote she will have a job, other interests, etc. So I'm not sure where the 24/7 fits in, other than if you wake up horny at 3 am, she'll be ready to give you a BJ; and I'm not sure where the "sex only" fits in, if she's got to be socially acceptable.

aldompdx -> RE: What are the pitfalls of 24/7 sexual slavery? (12/3/2009 5:00:13 AM)
Hierodule: Thanks for your support of the issue. There is an essential problem with calling something that which it really is not. It serves a subtle subconscious agenda to de-sensitize people to the truely horrific situation that 24/7 sexual slavery REALLY is. I think that too many people role-play an ostrich, by putting their head in the sand. Following is an example of the exact issue. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > I was assuming the OP was talking about consensual slavery. > ...slaves in the bdsm lifestyle. Slavery by definition is not consensual. Enslavement is forced or involuntary, and need not be qualified as such. Assuming that slavery is consensual is a fundamental illusion which implicitly condones and perpetuates human rights abuse around the world. I am not trying to be the BDSM language police or anything. But there are a great many more newbie lurkers than respondents on these forums. Words here have an influence on others. Casually glorifying sexual slavery has a very real effect of actually supporting it -- by encouraging others to think it is somehow okay to objectify and abuse women in that manner. Sexual slavery is human rights abuse. PERIOD. If that is not what you do, then don't falsely claim it is. Consider trying to say what you mean, and mean what you say. If one means that they are a "pretend slave," then perhaps they may wish to qualify it as such. I use the terms control and surrender, which encompass the voluntary nature of it in the BDSM context. Freedom of choice is not for long when the free act without utmost responsibility.

Mercnbeth -> RE: What are the pitfalls of 24/7 sexual slavery? (12/3/2009 6:05:39 AM)
quote: ...Assuming that slavery is consensual is a fundamental illusion which implicitly condones and perpetuates human rights abuse around the world... bullshit. assuming there is only one definition for the word slave and that definition has to include the words "against one's will" or else it isn't valid is also an illusion that perpetrates abuse of the English language and the incorrect assumption that those who use the word correctly in it's other forms (not including the words "against one's will") don't understand or recognize the difference.

persephonee -> RE: What are the pitfalls of 24/7 sexual slavery? (12/3/2009 6:25:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesFIP You can't have a 24/7 sexual slavery only situation. You will need to sleep, eat, shower etc. I'm assuming you are only bedroom d/s but you live together and that's what you mean by this. If you like each other enough to live together, then obviously you have other things to do and talk about than sex. Otherwise you wouldn't be sharing a life. We're normal people, today for excitement we went to the grocery store. Next I'm doing laundry. People still go to work, clean house, watch tv, read books etc. Nobody has sex round the clock. And op, put some clothes on. LOL, way to suck the fantasy right out of a perfectly good thread, Celeste....poutsandstomps And here i was, waddling off in my sweatpants (erm...leather mini...) to do a load of whites! Up til now, i was going by Master's definition of slavery....and thought that fabric softener was an aphrodesiac...eyesopenwide....i guess he got me good with all that rubbish.

sirguym -> RE: What are the pitfalls of 24/7 sexual slavery? (12/3/2009 8:31:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PervertedOwner4U I am planning my first 24/7 sexual slavery situation. It seems to me that a purely sexual relationship, though very emotional in some ways, might get rather tedious after a while. But perhaps I need to see it from a different angle. An intelligent and personable slave might get bored, no matter how much she wants to just be a slave all her days. Are there general tips that can be found? I'll bet most don't work out. I imagine those with some components from traditional relationships are the ones to endure in greater numbers. Anyone have an opinion? Thanks so much!!! IMHO the usual problem is a bored Dom, much more common than a bored sub, though that happens too.

HisSweetElysium -> RE: What are the pitfalls of 24/7 sexual slavery? (12/3/2009 9:19:05 AM)
thank you for sharing this, I am watching now...

MstrPBK -> RE: What are the pitfalls of 24/7 sexual slavery? (12/3/2009 9:23:19 AM)
Pitfall #20403: The slave becomes overly dependent on the Master where by IF the Master dies, or is absent for long periods the slave can not cope with day to day survival. MstrPBK St. Paul, MN USA

TimrehIX -> RE: What are the pitfalls of 24/7 sexual slavery? (12/3/2009 9:30:16 AM)
I find I don’t have much to add. I am not a Master, and my brief flirting with 24/7 didn’t pan out due my own issues. But I do have something I wanted to add. In my mind the sexual aspect of a 24/7 relationship is controlled by the Dom. Sex is when you want how you want. In negotiation with your sub I would bring up the option of saying “no”. If the option is used to often then it’s really isn’t the 24/7 slavery you wanted and that will need to be addressed. But I have heard (I think on this forum.) of Doms who after the relationship was over were accused of rape. Giving the slave the option to say “no” prevents rape. Of coarse saying “no” doesn’t have to be with out consequence. And for the record, I think the no shirt/pants look suits you.

MasterSlaveLA -> RE: What are the pitfalls of 24/7 sexual slavery? (12/3/2009 9:59:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MstrPBK Pitfall #20403: The slave becomes overly dependent on the Master where by IF the Master dies, or is absent for long periods the slave can not cope with day to day survival. Nonsensical Dommy chest-thumping. Said "slave" has gotten this far in life without a Dommy-Wommy wiping their ass, so this lost-little-lamb line of thinking by some is little more than one's own delusional ego at work.

MasterSlaveLA -> RE: What are the pitfalls of 24/7 sexual slavery? (12/3/2009 10:07:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AquaticSub Define 24/7 sexual relationship... a situation [where] your relationship is purely sexual so you don't command her outside of sex? The above is key. In my personal experience, when one claims to want to be a "sex slave", it simply means they desire to surrender ONLY THAT ASPECT OF THEMSELVES, but not all freedoms, as would be the case in a TPE Master/slave dynamic, where the sexual component is a "given"... a mere PART of the M/s dynamic. In contrast, the sexual component here IS THE DYNAMIC, and all other freedoms are retained (or negotiable) by the sub/slave.

Hierodule -> RE: What are the pitfalls of 24/7 sexual slavery? (12/3/2009 12:54:28 PM)
I have to agree with Mercnbeth (or simply Beth who seems to be the author of this post) There are examples of slavery, true slavery, that are consensual. Indentured servants come to mind. But that doesn't mean that involuntary sexual slavery and trafficking of women does not exist. Nor does it make the condition of young girls, trapped in these kinds of situations, any less horrifying. And I still think it is important for voluntary slaves to acknowledge that we have involuntary sisters out there who are being abused. It is precisely the fact that I identify as a sex slave that I wish to help them. There is a part of that documentary where a very young girl (can't be older that 13) is approached by a social worker who is trying to get her out of the brothel. No matter what the social worker says, she insists that she wants to stay. She may be acting out of fear, she might be brain washed, but she is giving her consent to stay. Does that mean she is not a slave? No it doesn't. quote: ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth quote: ...Assuming that slavery is consensual is a fundamental illusion which implicitly condones and perpetuates human rights abuse around the world... bullshit. assuming there is only one definition for the word slave and that definition has to include the words "against one's will" or else it isn't valid is also an illusion that perpetrates abuse of the English language and the incorrect assumption that those who use the word correctly in it's other forms (not including the words "against one's will") don't understand or recognize the difference.

OrionTheWolf -> RE: What are the pitfalls of 24/7 sexual slavery? (12/3/2009 1:46:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: aldompdx Slavery by definition is not consensual. Enslavement is forced or involuntary, and need not be qualified as such. Assuming that slavery is consensual is a fundamental illusion which implicitly condones and perpetuates human rights abuse around the world. By definition? Really? 1. One bound in servitude as the property of a person or household.2. One who is abjectly subservient to a specified person or influence: "I was still the slave of education and prejudice" (Edward Gibbon).3. One who works extremely hard.4. A machine or component controlled by another machine or component. : a person held in servitude as the chattel of another 2 : one that is completely subservient to a dominating influence 3 : a device (as the printer of a computer) that is directly responsive to another 4 : drudge, toiler Not in either definition does it state that it is involuntary. quote: I am not trying to be the BDSM language police or anything. No you are trying to impose your personal definition on others, and falsely stating it is an official definition of some sort. This is actually much worse, because it is false information. quote: But there are a great many more newbie lurkers than respondents on these forums. Words here have an influence on others. Casually glorifying sexual slavery has a very real effect of actually supporting it -- by encouraging others to think it is somehow okay to objectify and abuse women in that manner. Sexual slavery is human rights abuse. PERIOD. Now the term sexual slavery, as applied to the "nilla" world does have the definition you speak of. We should not have to change how we speak because of the ignorance of others. If there is consent, then it is okay to objectify and do whatever with anyone. It may be illegal, as has been pointed out that someone cannot consent to battery or assault in many areas, but there is nothing unethical about it. quote: If that is not what you do, then don't falsely claim it is. Consider trying to say what you mean, and mean what you say. If one means that they are a "pretend slave," then perhaps they may wish to qualify it as such. I use the terms control and surrender, which encompass the voluntary nature of it in the BDSM context. Freedom of choice is not for long when the free act without utmost responsibility. If you wanted to actually tackle any kind of responsibility, or were concerned about that, you would have clarified things like I have done here. Most in these forums do not need that clarification, and lurkers have probably ran into the discussion of consent before, so your post really was misleading, uninformative, and a waste of time. If anyone needs to educate themselves, it would be you. There are usually different terms used for different forms of slavery. Sexual slavery usually does mean it is involuntary or coerced, but within the BDSM context we all know it does not. The word definition of slave does not have involuntary or nonconsenual in it's definition.

AnnaOfAramis -> RE: What are the pitfalls of 24/7 sexual slavery? (12/3/2009 2:01:57 PM)
Thank you Master Orion, Hierodule and Mercnbeth! :) Adding from wikipedia: "Slavery was one of the primary sources of income for the Norsemen. Unlike many of the forms of slavery throughout human history, the state of being a thrall could be entered into voluntarily, as well as involuntarily".

petmonkey -> RE: What are the pitfalls of 24/7 sexual slavery? (12/3/2009 3:18:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Elisabella quote: ORIGINAL: PervertedOwner4U I am planning my first 24/7 sexual slavery situation. It seems to me that a purely sexual relationship, though very emotional in some ways, might get rather tedious after a while. But perhaps I need to see it from a different angle. An intelligent and personable slave might get bored, no matter how much she wants to just be a slave all her days. Are there general tips that can be found? I'll bet most don't work out. I imagine those with some components from traditional relationships are the ones to endure in greater numbers. Anyone have an opinion? Thanks so much!!! If you don't have a lot of disposable income then yes it will become extremely boring. If you can afford the luxury of a purely sexual slave (IE you have a maid come in everyday to keep the house right, cuz really a Master tidying up after his sex slave isn't right, and a sex slave tidying up after herself is just as ridiculous) then I'd say to stop her from being bored you have to realize that "sex" isn't just the act of fucking. A sex slave can take belly dance class, stripping class (seriously it's offered at some gyms, stripper workout), learn calligraphy to artfully transcribe erotic poetry to hang on the wall, learn to sew by hand (more sensual than sewing on a machine) and make beautiful outfits for herself, send her to someplace like MAC training school until she's able to apply cosmetics to her face flawlessly, send her in for manicures at least weekly...there are SO many things that have to do with beauty/eroticism that can keep her very occupied and entertained. Getting a manicure or getting your hair done puts a woman in a beautiful mood...not to mention it will enter the schedule for her as "go get more beautiful for your master" which also will do amazing things to her mindset. But if you're wondering if you can afford perpetual dance lessons (bellydance is something you can do always, but you have to get tango and salsa and all the other erotic partner dances too so she can get a full idea of using her body as an instrument of eroticism) and makeup lessons and mani/pedis 2x a week and closets full of clothes and shoes and dressers full of lingerie and a whole drawer of makeup and all the other things like that, if you're thinking "I'm just going to have sex with her on my Ikea bed and leave her to her own devices during the day with an order to 'do sexy things' without the capital to accomplish that" then yeah you're probably going to have a bored sex slave. There's a reason that courtesans saw more than one man. A single man couldn't afford to keep them in their preferred lifestyle. ETA: There's also a difference between a sex slave and a pleasure slave. What I described above is a pleasure slave. A sex slave is simply a body to have sex with anytime you want it, but there's no guarantee she will be in the mood. With a pleasure slave every act she does carries a subtle hint of eroticism, and she will love sex and be able to devote her life to eroticism and pleasure, like a priestess of Venus. If you're thinking you're going to be happy just having a warm body to spread her legs when you want, I suggest you don't make any strong commitment until you try it. Most people don't want a sex slave they want a pleasure slave, and again, that takes a lot of money. It's difficult to feel like a sex goddess when you're wearing the same Old Navy miniskirt every week...and when you don't have the ability to get new outfits and accessories to make your man see you with new eyes everyday - the most beautiful woman in the world will start to seem average if she looks the same everyday. You get used to it. A pleasure slave's job is to bring out the primal man in her owner, to seduce and tantalize him until he's unable to resist taking her, which takes away the stressful and mundane aspects of a man's life and work and gives him rest...restoring his spirit and strength as a man, not as a worker or as a father or any other role, simply as the essence of a man - and allows him to recharge for the next day. Although i am far too klutzy and bookish to be a geisha, this was certainly titillating. Hierodule, There is a book called "The Natashas" by Victor Malarek i recommend reading. As well as this blog: http://thenatashas.blogspot.com/

SlaveSimone -> RE: What are the pitfalls of 24/7 sexual slavery? (12/3/2009 8:27:05 PM)
Things that do, or would help keep me sane in my current 24/7 "slave" position 1. financial security out side of my partner- I don't work right now, I have no income, and for a long time had no financial fall back. The relief of having at least something in a bank account with my name on it is pretty amazing, especially after a stint of possibly wanting out of the relationship and having no financial footing to do so. 2. keeping contact with the outside world- I don't have many relationships outside of my family mostly because I have a hard time forming said relationships. Most of the time this is a huge pitfall for me, and I believe I would feel ever so slightly more sane if I had someone other then my partner to venture out into the world with on occasion. 3. Hobbies- If I were stuck at home, cooking and cleaning and all that other stuff all day, every day while he's at work, I'd rip my hair out and go a particular kind of crazy. Thusly, I have hobbies; I knit, I sew, I play with my poodles, I draw, I snoop around on these forums and the list goes on. To sum it all up, a relationship is made up of two people. I think the biggest pitfall of any relationship is that one gets so rapped up in the other that they completely lose their ability to function outside of the relationship, and end up losing their self identity in the process. A happy healthy person makes the best brand of slave.

PervertedOwner4U -> RE: What are the pitfalls of 24/7 sexual slavery? (12/3/2009 11:41:15 PM)
Hello all! It's getting a bit cold, but I'm still keeping my clothes off. Just cover your eyes when you scroll down to my reply if such a thing affects you negatively. There are some great thoughts here. And some eye-brow raising judgmental insinuations that I find somewhat strange. But that's what a naked guy has to put up with sometimes! I have re-edited my profile a bit in response to some of the responses. I might add that ANYTHING I do with or to anyone must be 100% consensual. It is a limit that is so rigid for me that I don't even mention it in my profile. On one side is the fulfillment of desire. On the other, criminality. I am quite good at "normal" relationships and will probably do fine with an alternative type also because I feel they are not much different in structure. But I do run into young women fairly often who wish ONLY to be sexually used and abused with no thought for their safety or pleasure. Seems pretty unhealthy (and boring after a while) to me! But I have met a young female who got me thinking about this stuff. She wants to be used as a "fuck-toy". She wishes fairly harsh use with cruelty and aggression. While I can certainly provide these sexually, I could never be that way in "real" life, where I tend to spend most of my time. She is also open to affection and even love, which makes me very pleased as I have much to give in this way too. I am very paternal, so I also look forward to helping her find a place in the real world as well as in our private sexual world. Thanks to all you very helpful people!

PervertedOwner4U -> RE: What are the pitfalls of 24/7 sexual slavery? (12/3/2009 11:58:28 PM)
Oh, I forgot to mention, per some of the comments, that I emphasize my perversion in my profile because I am more sexually perverted than approximately 90% of the fine people on this site (minus the fakes and scammers). and my presentation of that fact increases the number of people I would be interested in contacting me. I've been meeting people from profiles to share sexual experiences for 32 years. Not continually! But every few years I would leap into the media technology of the day (it was newspapers before the internet) and be amazed at the great people and horrible monsters who would answer my kinky written plea. It used to be much easier. It was mostly limited to local contacts, but you got in touch, met in a public place, and decided if you should continue. Oh, I got "played" by fakes through snail mail. But there wasn't any commercial intrusion. Polaroid photos were the thing. I'm sure the Polaroid Camera company cashed into the sexual revolution! Later!

RapierFugue -> RE: What are the pitfalls of 24/7 sexual slavery? (12/4/2009 12:06:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesFIP Nobody has sex round the clock. When the little hand is on the eight ...

RapierFugue -> RE: What are the pitfalls of 24/7 sexual slavery? (12/4/2009 12:08:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PervertedOwner4U Oh, I forgot to mention, per some of the comments, that I emphasize my perversion in my profile because I am more sexually perverted than approximately 90% of the fine people on this site That's an interesting faux-statistic. How did you arrive at it?

sirsholly -> RE: What are the pitfalls of 24/7 sexual slavery? (12/4/2009 12:31:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RapierFugue quote: ORIGINAL: PervertedOwner4U Oh, I forgot to mention, per some of the comments, that I emphasize my perversion in my profile because I am more sexually perverted than approximately 90% of the fine people on this site That's an interesting faux-statistic. How did you arrive at it? yeah.....since the op has no knowledge of any of us, i was wondering this myself.

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