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Shadow play - 3/15/2006 12:25:26 AM   
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Himself and I were in St. Augustine one time and he started to use a hairbrush on me and I freaked. I'm a fairly heavy player and into some pretty intense scenes, so you wouldn't think of a hairbrush as being particularly intense or scary. But something in my mind snapped and so did I. I'm not sure and can't speak for Masters reaction to that particular incident, but I do know that he was surprised at the violence and intensity of my reaction to something as innocuous as a hairbrush. All of a sudden I was not a full grown adult woman. I was not sure of myself, nor was I confident. It was not Himself in the room with me. I was 8 years old and it was my Mother beating on me again. I can't explain to you how terrifying that was for me in that moment. All rational thought left my head and I couldn't stop crying or shaking.

It was my first experience with 'shadowing.'

From Wikipedia - Dr. Carl Jung was the first to coin the term shadowing as the 'unconscious complex that is defined as the diametrical opposite of the conscious self, the ego. The shadow represents everything that the conscious person does not wish to acknowledge within themselves.'

Of course, BDSMer's modify anything and everything to fit into our own world and shadowing is no different.

In laymen's terms, when it comes to BDSM - Shadow play is almost the exact opposite of a mindfuck. With a mindfuck you try to 'fool' the mind into expecting that something is going to happen. In shadowing or shadow play, you need to understand that the mind has had an experience and you need to draw it out so it can be dealt with in the light of day. Shadowing delves into a person's past or a fear and goes way beyond expanding a limit.

So, how to get past something like this? Seeking the help of a professional therapist is a good place to start, however, as in my example above, I was not aware there was an issue with which to deal. It's the shadows pertaining to the dark parts of 'you' that you don't always know are there until something triggers them. It's almost like selective amnesia. There is a great deal of danger in any number of areas of BDSM but none are so damaging as what can happen to the psyche of someone during shadowing. Physical wounds heal (usually).. sometimes those of the mind do not. Too many of us have experienced trauma in our lives that, perhaps, are best left untouched. But to many of us, being able to acknowledge those traumas, to bring those fears out into the open and to conquer them is one of the main reasons this life appeals to us. I had a trigger.. that innocent hairbrush. Once I acknowledged it's power over me, Himself was able to help me work through my fear.

Some tips to get through the shadows

Identify the area you want to explore if you can. Unfortunately, it is often unknown to the submissive that there is a traumatic 'trigger' at all. The best thing you can do for yourself is to explore your past (professionally if need be) then communicate all that you are so that your Dominant is armed with as much knowledge as possible. If you are already aware of an intense fear in a particular area, take the baby steps. Fear of knives? Start with the store-bought plastic ones, through the butter knives and you'll get to the long swords in your own good time. There is never a need to rush or push into areas for which you're not ready. Afraid of the dark? Start with closing the eyes, keep them closed for longer periods of time until you can work up to a blindfold. Be a turtle, not a hare. Not all of us can afford professional therapy, but there are lots of organizations out there that deal with mental health issues on a sliding scale, so check them out if your fear is interfering with your daily activities. If you don't think you need to go so far as getting professional help, then do some research in shadowing and see if this area is something you wish to explore.

If you have a trigger that is discovered in mid-scene, as a Dominant, I highly suggest stopping immediately whatever it was that triggered the reaction. Let your submissive have some time to calm down, talk .. as long as you need to ... and find out what is causing the fear. Be prepared for crying, anger and know that physical attacks aren't outside the realm of possibility. It might not be 'you' the submissive is seeing at that moment, but someone completely different. It's imperative that you keep the submissive from hurting him/herself and you and if you just need to grab them and hold them until they are calm, do so. Small sips of water, turning on the radio to an upbeat station, distracting the mind away from it's fear with something mundane and familiar can help get past that initial reaction. Once you're passed that, then decisions can be made on what your next steps should be. My own crying jag lasted about 30 mins, but I was pretty upset for several hours afterwards and Himself was very patient with me, held me, stroked me and let me come back at my own pace. If he had ended up calling 911 or something, I would not have blamed him because I was a mess, but I'm really glad he didn't because getting the authorities involved was not necessary in my case. It's going to be a judgment call, but prior discussion of this issue can help make that call if the time ever comes.

I rarely see this issue brought forth, but I know many men and women who have experienced similar reactions to the most innocuous events, so being aware of what 'may' happen is just one more tool in the arsenal to maximizing the 'fun' of BDSM and being prepared for those things which are not so fun.

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RE: Shadow play - 3/15/2006 12:33:51 AM   
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Celeste, thank you so much for posting this information. I worked for many years in the mental health/social services field and constantly witnessed what happens to abandoned and abused people. PTSD survivors do have silent but deadly triggers that can be activated by everyday life and situations. Most of the time their friends and family do not know how to handle the reaction. I am glad your Master had the patience to deal with your flashback and that you are aware of how to get counseling if the need ever occurs.

Be well,

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RE: Shadow play - 3/15/2006 12:44:41 AM   
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I get sudden bouts of irrational fear driving in a car as passenger or driver. It freaks me out, I dont seem to have any control over it. Ive got no idea what triggers it. In this shadow play, how would we deal with that one?

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RE: Shadow play - 3/15/2006 1:19:07 AM   
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quote:



Greetings slave jali. Have you been in a car accident or witnessed one closely?
Do you have motion sickness? Were you taken by car to a place or person that caused you trauma? Do the panic attacks happen when the car is in motion or while it is stopped?
While you are driving in town or on the highway? At day or night or both? How often does this situation occur? Once in a while, rarely, frequently? Does anything re-occur immediatly before or after the drives when you have this reaction? Perhaps going to the doctor is stressful? Or returning from visiting certain relatives? Analyze the situation to the best of your and your Master's ability.

I recommend finding a good psychologist who specializes in PTSD would be able to pin-point the trigger and help you resolve the anxiety attacks. I don't know how the liscensing system for psychologists is run in your country, but be sure and check her/his credentials and perhaps ask some friends for referrals if you are comfortable sharing this information.

Take good care of your sweet self,

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I get sudden bouts of irrational fear driving in a car as passenger or driver. It freaks me out, I dont seem to have any control over it. Ive got no idea what triggers it. In this shadow play, how would we deal with that one?



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RE: Shadow play - 3/15/2006 1:57:02 AM   
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* Ive been in a major car accident, hit from behind by a semi. When I see semi's around I know I get nervous, but this doesnt trigger it.
* No motion sickness of any kind.
* Havent been taken to a place in a car which caused me trauma.
* I get the panic attacks when the car is in motion.
* Never when the car is being driven slowly in town, it would happen say over 80kms (48miles) an hour.
* It could happen day or night.
* I asked Master He said, if we were on a four hour journey it might happen once each hour.
* It could just happen out of the blue just driving along...and/or happens often if there is a potential that another vehicle has to be overtaken.

What Master has done with me so far is to tell me to close my eyes when He is going to overtake someone. ..and more recently He says " I'm going to have to overtake this vehicle, get ready' (i feel like such a baby lol)..if i tell him Im getting scared as we are just driving along, He slows right down and then I feel stupid.....its really quite a distressing situation as Im supposed to trust Master so going into these panic attacks make it seem like I dont trust his driving..but the thing is, it can and does happen when Im driving myself as well. Its got nothing to do with His driving skill. Ramble Ramble Ramble *grin*

There is not one other situation in life I can think of where I experience these panic attacks.

Anyways, Ive got a feeling im off topic..it probably doesnt apply to shadow play..but its the biggest shadow I can think of for me.

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RE: Shadow play - 3/15/2006 1:57:49 AM   
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This was very interesting.

I have found I can 'play act' certain situations, talk about them, write about them, and ... well, just about anything.

If, however, I see the scene(s) acted out television, movie, or whatever, and it is too 'real' it takes me right back as if I were there. It always surprises me because of my nonchalant, or at least my accepting attitude in every day life.

I imagine it's the same thing the OP is talking about...just a different way of getting there...

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RE: Shadow play - 3/15/2006 3:54:28 AM   
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bitatruble ... you seem to make some very imformative posts. thank you for that.

i think you made some wonderful points and suggestions. there was only one that threw me off.


quote:

Small sips of water, turning on the radio to an upbeat station, distracting the mind away from it's fear with something mundane and familiar can help get past that initial reaction.


this idea of distraction ... i would offer different advise. i would use the intensity of the moment to my advantage. i would allow all that emotion, fear ... etc to be fully expressed. assuming there is plenty of trust and caring between the two people involved, i think this would be a great opportunity to purge some of those emotional toxins from their system. to stop that flow midstream in order to calm the person may do more harm than good. obviously that person would need to be kept physically safe ... but outside of that, i suggest not interrupting the process.

i'm not a mental health professional ... just a person with a few life experiences. so this is only my opinion.

again, bitatruble, thank you for your posts. i find them to be very refreshing.

humbly,
sunshine

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RE: Shadow play - 3/15/2006 4:55:49 AM   
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I can relate to this topic! DG uses verbal humiliation in a scene very well and I generally like that part of of it. But one time he called me a 'fornicator'; my reaction was very strong internally and I became extremely frightened. I managed to murmur "Please, Sir, not that" and he was kind enough to move the scene along to another activity. We talked about it later and we discussed the possible reasons I had such a strong negative reaction. I believe it had to do with my 'hellfire and brimstone' upbringing in a very narrow minded 'Christian' home. As you pointed out, some things just come out of the blue from our past.
A gradual desensization plan works well and a dominant's patience will pay off for both parties.

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RE: Shadow play - 3/15/2006 6:41:30 AM   
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Thanks! You've gone and explained something i couldnt explain, that i just explained to Master as i dont think he ever really understood it.

Tied up, in a scene.. having a hard time doing as he wished, he was getting frustrated. He all of a sudden, backed away from me and sat down heavily on the bed and well it SEEMED like he hit the bed "next" to him. My mind saw him, Sit down forcefully out of anger, and hit the bed.. and i was there tied up with an angry man. My brain went nuts. i became paralyzed with fear and i think he got up and came over to me not realised what was going on and i didnt tell him cos he was not him. He was my worst nightmare. i dun remember what he did when he came over.. LOL i actually just remembered remembering that he did come back.. and i remember crying. Think he might of backed off from me.. because i remember getting out of the ropes the clamps. Getting dressed and crawling into a corner of the room looking for a million different exits. Calculating whether i could get OUT the bedroom door and then the front door with out him catching me. i was absolutely terrified of him. He must of sensed it.. dunno what he felt. i just know he eventually went and laid down the bed. Called to me. Over and over.. tried talking to me.. noooo i would not talk to him. Eventually god knows how much time had passed - i was able to come closer.. my vision was clearing.. and then i was able to sit on the bed with him.. but NOT touch him.. still some distance away and eventually i was able to lay down.. eventually i was able to touch him and then wa la my vision cleared. There is one person in this world i do not want to be tied up around when they are angry and thats excatly who Master was at that moment. Master did well, because if he had approached me, i'd of felt like he was attacking me and i'd of defended myself. i'd of gone into one of my blackout "fight for survival" things.

Similiar story to what you said i think

Editted to say : i know what my trigger is. Its anger. Loss of Temper and god forbid i am tied up when it happens. Ug.. but there isnt much to do for that. Except Master knows that losing his temper around me is a bad idea.

Had another experience similiar outside of play. Over new years. Got in a fight with my bro and he lost his temper. i walked away. He chased me down the hall. i turned and saw the anger flying through his face. Guess what i du du duuuuuh did? i provoked him. i got right up in his face and said DO IT.. Hit me.. Yup i was screaming at him to do it. Stupidty eh? So he knocked me down/threw me/ shoved me/pushed me God only knows.. had a good lump for it.

And then! i flipped. i went into a rage and screamed god only knows what at him and then i sat down near some elevators and dunno. Became a broken record and if i wasn hysterically crying i was stuck on two words "i'm ok, i'm ok i'm ok" My sister appeared and was did her best to snap me out of it. The only thing that worked was her agreeing with me that i was okay and like all things i was eventually okay

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RE: Shadow play - 3/15/2006 7:01:35 AM   
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Wow, Celeste, Interesting post.

i know that terror you speak of. i came equipped with many trauma triggers (my poor Master). Some i knew about, others i did not. Like your hairbrush, Master once swatted my behind with his shoe - it was no big deal. He had made a corrective comment and then thudded me a couple of times with his work shoe. i screamed and tried to crawl away. He stopped, said "Come here" and had me kneel at his feet. Looked down and me and said "Talk to me." i had completely forgotten about the childhood shoe beatings. It was an interesting revelation.

Thus began a journey of allowing me to face my known demons. The belt was next. i mentioned in the "abuse to slavery" thread my history with belts. Master had me journal about it - all of my fears about it - and then go through a visualization process of him belting me and write about that, in detail - how it made me feel, etc. When he felt i was ready, he introduced me to his belt, gently running it across my body, along my cheek, and then to my mouth for me to kiss it and befriend it. The strikes were light at first, and grew. A range of emotions came over me. i was a little girl being whipped again...and then a realization came over me that in my Master's hands i was safe. It was a tool he was implementing but he was in control (the parental units were wayyyy outta control) and rather than feel fear i felt his power and control. He graduated to using it as a punishment at a later time, to guage my reaction. It was scary but i was able to work my mind back to where it should be.

He has introduced me to my known trauma triggers. One at a time we faced them until i had one "grand finale" which brought everything to a head and took about a week to recover from. Oddly, i now crave that which used to scare me. i know in my Master's hands, i am safe, and HE controls those situations, NOT the demons in my mind, and certainly not the parental units. No one without the power over me he has could have taken my fears like that.

Celeste, i am curious, has he used the hairbrush since then and if so, how did you respond? Have you wnated to revisit it?

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RE: Shadow play - 3/15/2006 8:06:17 AM   
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Hi Celeste,

Well you've done it again. This has to be one of the most thought provoking posts I've read in quite awhile. It also gave me some real insight into a couple of things that have happened between Kari and I. At the time I didn't know what was going on, only that she wasn't 'playing' anymore so I stopped and let her calm down. She wouldn't (or couldn't) tell me at the time what happened but now I have a better idea.

Thanks again. I'm going to follow up on this.


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RE: Shadow play - 3/15/2006 8:31:55 AM   
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I'm not sure I get the difference between this and having a flashback or an episode of post traumatic stress?

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RE: Shadow play - 3/15/2006 9:09:14 AM   
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i'm thinking "Shadowplaying" is the actual planned replaying of a given event...like my belt situation.

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RE: Shadow play - 3/15/2006 9:55:49 AM   
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quote:

Celeste, i am curious, has he used the hairbrush since then and if so, how did you respond? Have you wnated to revisit it?


It's no where near my favorite item but because of the shadow play we've done, it's not really an issue albeit we still take things slowly in that area. Himself has been very patient with me and the fears are vanishing and I am gaining more confidence. He starts out slow and builds me up with something else before bringing out the hairbrush and depending on my reaction, he may use it for a short burst or a longer period of time and I've been able to handle those periods as time has progressed. It wasn't just having one used on me that was an issue. When I topped someone, I couldn't use a hairbrush on them either. For some reason, it has never bothered me to brush my own hair, but I don't like anyone else brushing my hair. That's probably why I never go to the salon to get my hair cut. ::chuckles:: Anyway, these days, I have no problem using a hairbrush on someone else and have broken several of them across wayward hiney's. Master has yet to break one on me, but that's my goal. ;)

It's just an inanimate object.. it has no power over me other than what I give it and without shadow play, I might have had a fear of hairbrushes for the rest of my life. I just don't know. I don't know that I will ever be able to view a hairbrush as 'just' a hairbrush. It may always be a memory of what has happened in my past. Knifes, whips, needles, clamps, electricity, child's play to me.. that hairbrush, though.. pain in the ass. ::chuckles::

Celeste

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RE: Shadow play - 3/15/2006 10:02:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

I'm not sure I get the difference between this and having a flashback or an episode of post traumatic stress?


In shadow play, you are drawing the fear to the surface on purpose and with control so you can get passed it.

Celeste

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RE: Shadow play - 3/15/2006 10:06:24 AM   
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quote:

this idea of distraction ... i would offer different advise. i would use the intensity of the moment to my advantage. i would allow all that emotion, fear ... etc to be fully expressed. assuming there is plenty of trust and caring between the two people involved, i think this would be a great opportunity to purge some of those emotional toxins from their system. to stop that flow midstream in order to calm the person may do more harm than good. obviously that person would need to be kept physically safe ... but outside of that, i suggest not interrupting the process.


That could work, I just don't know. If I had an incident during a casual play scene, I think I'd rather be distracted, but if it were with Himself, then I'd opt for the holding and caring because I know he could handle it. The main thing, is I'd talk to someone beforehand to ask them how they'd want it handled so I don't get the bejesus scared out of me and call 911 on them. It's not an issue for a lot of people, but I like to be as prepared as possible.

Celeste

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RE: Shadow play - 3/15/2006 10:15:56 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: BitaTruble
In shadow play, you are drawing the fear to the surface on purpose and with control so you can get passed it.

Celeste

Oh ok, that's actually a very common therapy for post traumatic stress- modernly called desensitizing.

As usual I think most people in the scene who would attempt this, or any type of therapy, are dangerously stupid and are lucky if they don't end up doing more harm than good and it's not at all something I would encourage the dom off the street to attempt.

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RE: Shadow play - 3/15/2006 10:46:51 AM   
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quote:

As usual I think most people in the scene who would attempt this, or any type of therapy, are dangerously stupid and are lucky if they don't end up doing more harm than good and it's not at all something I would encourage the dom off the street to attempt.



Unfortunately, in the case of shadowing, it can come upon you so suddenly that you can't help but go there, as it did with the hairbrush incident with Himself and I. If shadow play were talked about more often, people, in general, can put some sort of plan into action rather than try to wing it. I think I made it pretty clear that seeking professional help for fears which interfere with your daily life is a wonderful channel to explore but not all fears need that level of professionalism to get passed them. Shadow play is simply an avenue to explore for those that have the desire.

Celeste


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RE: Shadow play - 3/15/2006 10:49:07 AM   
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Thank you Bita... I had never heard of shadow play till reading this post of yours. Very informative for me. After reading this, I have experinced shadow play without even knowing it. Makes me being able to explain certain things I have experinced to others now. Again, thnks for the information.

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RE: Shadow play - 3/15/2006 11:14:56 AM   
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Interesting post. Makes something that happened to me make a lil more sense. Once during play I just started crying and couldn't stop. We stopped play but I still couldn't stop crying for awhile. Dont know what the triggr was though....someting ill have to think about.

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