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Climate Cover-Up: It’s an imperative read for a succe... - 12/5/2009 12:04:02 AM   
Brain


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19/11/09: Pt 3 - Climate Change Cover-Up - The Current from CBC Radio (Highlights) - CastRoller

In his new book, James Hogan argues that climate change skeptics are using the same tactics that the tobacco industry used to in order to create confusion about the science around climate change. We talk to him and to one of Canada's leading climate change skeptics. LISTEN:

http://castroller.com/podcasts/TheCurrent/1329401


I tried to find this book on the American website but it just was not there. It makes me wonder if all these corporations are in collusion with each other.

Climate Cover-up (Paperback)
by James Hoggan (Author), Richard Littlemore (Contributor)

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"[Climate Cover-Up] explains how the propaganda generated by self interest groups has purposely created confusion about climate change. It’s an imperative read for a successful future." --Leonardo DiCaprio, Actor

"To those of us who have been unknowingly made to turn a blind eye to the terrifying and true facts about global warming, there's no time left for ignorance. Please read this shocking and incredible book, learn how we've been manipulated, get angry and take action." --Neve Campbell, actress and producer

“Canadian environmental activists Hoggan and Littlemore pull no punches in this spirited indictment of global warming deniers.” --Publishers Weekly

“An exposé of planetary scale.” --Jim Hansen, NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies

"This is essential reading for anyone who cares about the future of democracy.” --Andrew Weaver, author of Keeping Our Cool: Canada in a Warming World

“The book examines the research organizations and academics who question weather human activity is causing dangerous global warming, and trace their arguments back to funding from the fossil-fuel industry…” --Times Colonist

“Climate Cover-Up is a must-read for anyone who’s concerned about the biggest effort ever at media manipulation by the world’s most powerful corporations…Hoggan’s book is really about how a vast conspiracy has been undertaken by corporations opposed to reducing greenhouse gasses and pollution to convince the media that everything is just fine.” --24 Hours

Climate Cover-up: the Crusade to Deny Global Warming is a remarkable deconstruction of what he argues is a carefully orchestrated propaganda campaign whose goal is to set the agenda in climate policy by discrediting legitimate science and manipulating public perceptions of the scientific evidence. --Vancouver Sun

James Hoggan’s Climate Cover-up is our generations Hidden Persuaders, an exposé of the methods by which people are convinced (or paid) to write comments to Treehugger like ‘climate change is a hoax’ …it exposes how truth gets twisted, how lies become opinions worthy of editorial pages, how Exxon greases the whole process. --Treehugger.com
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RE: Climate Cover-Up: It’s an imperative read for a s... - 12/5/2009 12:12:29 AM   
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Climate Cover-up (Paperback)
by James Hoggan (Author), Richard Littlemore (Contributor)

http://www.amazon.ca/Climate-Cover-up-James-Hoggan/dp/1553654854/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1259995368&sr=1-1

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RE: Climate Cover-Up: It’s an imperative read for a s... - 12/5/2009 1:07:20 AM   
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What a circus.

YouTube - Global Warming: Wingnuts vs Climatology...and the winner is...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTcGXqrXWo4&feature=sub

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RE: Climate Cover-Up: It’s an imperative read for a s... - 12/5/2009 12:22:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		I would say it is "kill the messenger" approach. Would it be possible to argue the same way about Nobel prize winner Albert Gore? What does he know about climate science?  The answer is, of course, practically very little. He just has formed alliance with certain school and he acts as a lobbyist and as a propaganda minister. The current global climate models are not adequate to predict future trends. So, it comes down who has more political resources to push their agenda.

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RE: Climate Cover-Up: It’s an imperative read for a s... - 12/5/2009 12:56:28 PM   
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RE: Climate Cover-Up: It’s an imperative read for a s... - 12/5/2009 1:45:53 PM   
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Brain, have you ever sold used cars before?


Both he and normal outside have been a nice addition to the board.   :-)

Global warming is a FRAUD.   Meant to assess a global carbon tax on us to fund the UN.

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RE: Climate Cover-Up: It’s an imperative read for a s... - 12/5/2009 5:04:03 PM   
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RE: Climate Cover-Up: It’s an imperative read for a s... - 12/5/2009 5:16:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Brain- read the proposed treaty.  In it- note the taxes.    If you have extra money fine- support your cause.  But do not spend my money or my families money for me.

I am not a Rush listener.  I listen to Bob Chapman.    Chapman is someone for real.   It is good that you have an enquiring mind- but as one gets older it gets easier to see the players real intents.

Chapman is someone for you to look into if you are truly concerned about world affairs.     And...lately he has been rated #1 on the talk circuit- Fox has asked him to appear but he is already booked up for the next several months.

http://theinternationalforecaster.com/

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RE: Climate Cover-Up: It’s an imperative read for a s... - 12/5/2009 6:23:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		Brain, maybe you should be reading all of the deleted and altered e-mails from the so called scientists that are the global warming hoax. Where is Al Gore, on vacation in his private jet ????

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RE: Climate Cover-Up: It’s an imperative read for a s... - 12/6/2009 5:58:24 AM   
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Brain, maybe you should be reading all of the deleted and altered e-mails from the so called scientists that are the global warming hoax. Where is Al Gore, on vacation in his private jet ????


Naw, he's off hiding his oscar, so no one can take it away.


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RE: Climate Cover-Up: It’s an imperative read for a s... - 12/6/2009 6:59:10 AM   
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You're right Pa, this treaty is the means through which the global community and the Democrats can punish the United States for being successful, and finally cut it down to size.

Through this treaty China must pay the High Priests of Global Warming mere lip service while the USA must hand over its remaining manufacturing capability (forced via higher taxes on energy consumption) as well as its wealth.

From an AP article this morning:

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Negotiators in Copenhagen are trying to set targets for controlling emissions of carbon dioxide and other global-warming gases, including by the leading contributors, China and the United States. They will also seek agreement on how much rich countries should pay to help poor nations to deal with climate change.


China has insisted repeatedly that it will not agree to any restrictions on its own growth or otherwise pay any penalty for emerging from its third world status.


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Brain- read the proposed treaty. In it- note the taxes...


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RE: Climate Cover-Up: It’s an imperative read for a s... - 12/6/2009 7:08:48 AM   
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One can easily argue that caps on C02 emissions are direct "caps" on industry (and therefore caps on wealth).


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RE: Climate Cover-Up: It’s an imperative read for a s... - 12/6/2009 7:12:22 AM   
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One can easily argue that caps on C02 emissions are direct "caps" on industry (and therefore caps on wealth).



That is the same reasoning used in any "let business do what they like, when they like, as they like" argument. Controlling any harmful pollutants keep industry from making as much profit as they would make if they were allowed to do harm to the environment. For example, a business could make far more wealth for itself by avoiding all the regulations on dumping toxic sludge into the local drinking water. Therefore, regulations against dumping toxic sludge into local water supplies can with equal ease be seen as a "cap on wealth".

So you COULD argue that co2 caps were a cap on wealth. You could also, if you chose, shove a dozen crab apples up your ass and sing the score from Fiddler on the Roof in Swedish. It wouldn't make much sense to me, but you can indeed do it.

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RE: Climate Cover-Up: It’s an imperative read for a s... - 12/6/2009 8:43:00 AM   
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First it was global cooling and the ozone back in the day. Killed a few businesses needing aerosol for an accelerate and a few more in the HVAC business who couldn't afford to upgrade their equipment.

Then we had the global warming; working great until the peak of 1998 when the temperatures started to trend downward. However it was start of a whole new industry - the 'Green Movement' with a messiah to lead them - Al Gore.

Not to let trends or results get in the way of making money, and as it turns out any conflicting evidence be damed - I mean deleted, it was now 'climate change'. So brilliant you wonder why they didn't think of it back in the '70's! It's NEVER wrong - there's always a climate and its never predictable. You don't need predictions, any result fits, and you only need 'faith'. Praise be - and damn the heretics! The planet is dying!

But you still have all these paid priests on the payroll. No longer scientists since they can't live with anyone checking their work - they'd rather toss it. You have to give these guys something to report to create new dogma - CO2.

Produced Natala, used in the majority of beverages consumed; its going to kill you and the planet - just look; picking something out that isn't as good as it used to be; the religion thrives! We have to believe in something - why not believe that man is killing the planet; politically correct self-loathing.

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RE: Climate Cover-Up: It’s an imperative read for a s... - 12/6/2009 8:51:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		Point of order; it isnt a religion, as the anti-crowd demonstrated by their responses (and lack of) in my recent thread on the subject. If it may be deemed a religion then legislation flowing from it would be unconstitutional, notwithstanding other legislation (equally derived from religion) is welcomed and supported by the anti-crowd, within their wider political worldview.

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RE: Climate Cover-Up: It’s an imperative read for a s... - 12/6/2009 8:52:12 AM   
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But you still have all these paid priests on the payroll. No longer scientists since they can't live with anyone checking their work - they'd rather toss it. You have to give these guys something to report to create new dogma - CO2.

Produced Natala, used in the majority of beverages consumed; its going to kill you and the planet - just look; picking something out that isn't as good as it used to be; the religion thrives! We have to believe in something - why not believe that man is killing the planet; politically correct self-loathing.


You're just a wee bit over the line here, Merc. Just a few points to consider.

1) Everyone has a vested interest in this. Scientists who support the theory of man made global warming are getting their money from those who support the theory. Those who oppose it are getting their money from those who have a profit motive for opposing it. Let us keep in mind that, according to the tobacco company funded scientists, the fact that smoking is an addictive health hazard is a religion.

2) I would think that the idea that the massive amounts of pollutants produced by industry is having negative effects on the planet and it's inhabitants is pretty much a proven fact, not a self-loathing religion. I think the people in Love Canal, New Jersey, Hinkley, California and Gayu (sp), China would tend to agree.

Perhaps the belief in man made global warming has, to some, achieved the characteristics of a religion. If so, the denial that industrial activities are having a harmful effect has reached the level of the guy on late night tv telling you that for fifty bucks, he can send you a good luck cross that will make God bless you with a new car and a million dollars.


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RE: Climate Cover-Up: It’s an imperative read for a s... - 12/6/2009 9:12:18 AM   
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Absolutely nothing is proved when people choose to ignore your (or anyone else's) posts or threads, E.

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Point of order; it isnt a religion, as the anti-crowd demonstrated by their responses (and lack of) in my recent thread on the subject. If it may be deemed a religion then legislation flowing from it would be unconstitutional, notwithstanding other legislation (equally derived from religion) is welcomed and supported by the anti-crowd, within their wider political worldview.

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RE: Climate Cover-Up: It’s an imperative read for a s... - 12/6/2009 9:20:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		But Sanity, if you could prove it were a religion then you'd have all the ammunition you'd need to have any legislation thrown out on those grounds. And remember, the facts are unimportant in this regard, as facts are, it is argued, equally unimportant to the pro-crowd (which is how their position may be deemed a religion, being based on faith).

That no one chose to support it as a religion in my thread says much about the allegation - that it is not believed to be a religion by the anti-crowd, and the allegation is simply a debating tactic designed to undermine the pro-position by minimising and marginalising it as something crazy people believe in.  

But then to support it as a religion to the ends above would inevitably throw light on other legislation deriving from religion of course, which would certainly be damaging to the wider worldview of the anti-crowd.

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RE: Climate Cover-Up: It’s an imperative read for a s... - 12/6/2009 9:39:07 AM   
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That no one chose to support it as a religion in my thread says much about the allegation - that it is not believed to be a religion by the anti-crowd, and the allegation is simply a debating tactic designed to undermine the pro-position by minimising and marginalising it as something crazy people believe in.

Wrong - but a great debate tactic.

The religious reference applies because any belief not based in science is a religion. The global warming religion has been exposed as eliminating any conflicting science from their dogma. Critics were banned from publishing papers and outside the grant gravy train. Happened a lot during the Catholic influence in Europe.

The laws that you reference are not pointed to the religion or its belief. They are based upon the faulty science behind the belief. The tactic of displacing the religion from the law is a tactic used by other religions. There isn't a religious preference allowed in the law - however taking the separating implication no religion is charged a tax on their property - preference. The global warming religion used the same approach putting most of their businesses in the 'non-profit' or 'not-for-profit' categories. As in other religions, it doesn't stop their leaders from making a lot of money - but it keeps the religion's income out of the tax base.

This is the US - any lawyer could challenge any global warming law on religious grounds. Perhaps the tactic wasn't used yet because, until recently, there was no internal memo smoking gun pointing to fraud science. Science is all about challenging reported 'facts'. Religion is all about keeping 'facts' unchallenged.

In just about every possible way, global warming, climate change, ice age, CO2 increasing; whatever banner they've put behind the collection plate; resembles religion more than science. Worst case, and as countries adopt and sanction the religion as they did Catholicism, making it the 'Official Religion of ________'; perhaps in the US its policies will be challenged on Constitutional lines.

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RE: Climate Cover-Up: It’s an imperative read for a s... - 12/6/2009 9:47:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		So then you reserve the right to call it a religion and go down the suggested route, if all else fails?

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