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Keeping The Faith - 3/15/2006 6:41:24 AM

MistressOfGa

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Recent posts have me wondering about this. If a Dom/sub is meeting someone in real life from online, and they are late, without a phone call or any contact (The one waiting may not have a cell) how much time do you feel the one waiting should wait before questioning the integrity and honesty of the one who is late? An hour? Two hours? 9 hours? If the person is late by 4 hours, should the one waiting automatically assume that they have been "played"? I am not just talking about truesub4u, (she has a phone, I can't imagine why he hasnt called her) but there have been countless posts on this forum from people who were just crushed and thought that they had been played, only for it to turn out good in the long run. Then again, there have been the optimistic ones who felt that it would work out, only to find out that they had been played.

Thoughts? Opinions?

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RE: Keeping The Faith - 3/15/2006 7:07:04 AM

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I think late is a relative term here.

Today I'm meeting a poteneial sub for lunch. It's my favorite sushi place, so if he stands me up, I'm still going to have a lovely lunch. He lives 30 minutes away from the restaurant. If he's late by more than 5 minutes he had better have a good reason for it. After 15 min late I will be ordering without him. And if he's more than 30 min late, without having a traffic ticket in hand or some other very good reason, he will be dismissed. Keeping in mind that this would all be without a phone call to let me know what's going on. A phone call to say he was held up for whatever reason will certainly keep him in my good graces.

Now, if he lived farther away, say in another town I would give him a larger window of time, but still, he has my cell number, I expect a phone call. Leaving someone to wait and wonder is just plain rude. It shows complete disrespect. I don't care if you are the D or the s, it's discourteous and selfish.

Of course, there's always some freak thing that could happen, your cell phone battery is dead and you are stuck behind a load of chickens that overturned and you can't get around it because a plane crashed on that side of the highway just before the oilslick covered the other side of the highway and it's not windy enough to use your hang glider to get the rest of the way and no one else stuck in this mess has a cell phone with working batteries either.

But that can't happen more than once.

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RE: Keeping The Faith - 3/15/2006 7:14:24 AM

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quote:

Of course, there's always some freak thing that could happen, your cell phone battery is dead and you are stuck behind a load of chickens that overturned and you can't get around it because a plane crashed on that side of the highway just before the oilslick covered the other side of the highway and it's not windy enough to use your hang glider to get the rest of the way and no one else stuck in this mess has a cell phone with working batteries either.

But that can't happen more than once.

LMAO!! Oh my God lol That's funny, I dont care who ya are!

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RE: Keeping The Faith - 3/15/2006 7:19:47 AM

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I have only heard "honey, I'm late", once and it scared the hell out of me, but two sons later, it's all good!

As for puncuality ...... I respect those that are and I always try to be myself.
I will give anyone an hour as a courtesy, but they should have a good explanation. If I don't hear from them and they are a no-show, they won't hear back from me either. I look at it as enough time was already wasted, why waste more?

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RE: Keeping The Faith - 3/15/2006 7:21:45 AM

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I'm with Tress on what *I* expect but then I AM a stickler for punctuality. If I say I will be at such a place at such a time then people can pretty much bank on it. If a train is running late or something that lets me down (Dispite me usualy allowing for such things a bit by aiming to arrive just a little early) if it is going to be more than five minutes then I make sure before hand that my mobile is charged and I have their number.

Someone comming from further away, I allow a bit more slack....but they are a total no-show then by the next day I am writing them off as someone who played me... if that isn't the case then they better have the worlds most convincing excuse.... including a written affidavit from the ambulance driver that took them to hospital!

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RE: Keeping The Faith - 3/15/2006 7:23:23 AM

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I think an hour is longer than I would give.

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RE: Keeping The Faith - 3/15/2006 7:32:20 AM

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if they are more than an hour late... there better be a good reason. Like... they are in the hosptial or something like that. Otherwise... forget it.

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RE: Keeping The Faith - 3/15/2006 7:44:16 AM

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I agree that the time is very much relative as well..

but not only for the thoughts that MissTress give... which I agree completely with... distance of travel for a meet does have some significance to affecting the time one would wait.

but also... the status of the relationship itself.

example one... my relationship with kyra at the time of our first meet. Kyra was flying all the way from florida. She had given me emailed copies of her Reservation Confirmations and it was rather obvious what plane she was going to be flying in.... so it would be rather pointless to wait more than a couple hours after the plane had landed... keeping in mind that she had to go thru Customs. But, also at the time, kyra was not my slave or girlfriend or anything but someone that I was very interested in. There was no commitment or talk of the future we are going to have. There was no expectation that she would be my slave or anything. So, it was very reasonable for me to consider that if she had not arrived on the plane that no excuse or reason outside of the very extreme would of been acceptable. Interestly enough, I had to wait very close to the two hours after her plane had landed. Seems that kyra was so nervous with meeting me that the custom officials picked up on her nervousness and started to question her even more than normal done... which just made her more nervous LOL. Finally the custom official called my cell phone that kyra provide them. I answered a few quick questions and a couple minutes later kyra comes through the security doors.... by that time my laughter and eased to a light chuckle. This was our first meet. It turned out well. I remember waiting, and feeling frustrated. when all the people in the area where gone and sat down and considered how much longer I would wait. It really was only moments afterwards that I recieved the phone call and never really needed to question on when I would leave. I can stated in a hindsight that I likely wouldn't of waited much more than another 15 or so minutes. The situation of knowing when she could arrive as well as the status of the relationship has a huge impact on how long i would be waiting.

Example two... in consideration to truesub's situation. My understanding is that they have meet online, but they have been together face to face on a few various occassions... Their relationship is not only a collared/owned relationship but they are also plans of marriage that I recall from her posts. This is not just a causal meeting of interested parties. This is a meeting of individuals that have given commitments to each other and plans of a future together. It would be my expectation of others and most definitely of myself, that these commitments where not recklessly given by either party. That thought and effort went into the commitments made in the relationship. That security and trust has been built to a degree that warrants the type of commitment that collaring and/or marriage would indicate. I would expect that when one is meeting or waiting for someone with this type of commitment.... alot of confidence and trust will be in place and that even a late person... even many many hours even days before I would expect that the question of integrity and trust become suspect. I find it very odd, that a relationship that claims deep love, commitment and trust would be so easily thrown into doubts of existence because one party is late. As Misstress has stated... there is alot of reasons that can occur that would make a person late and unable to phone. I know with my relationship with kyra... if she was late or wasn't on a plane she was suppose to be on... I would be immediately worried about her safety and Well-being and not that the relationship was not meant to be or that I was being played..... I would be calling her home ... I would be making plans to fly to florida... attempting to back track her route. that she would fly. She is mine, we are committed to each other... it was not done recklessly. Everything truesub as shared about her relationship with her Master only leaves me with the expectation that they have established a relationship that was well thought out and considered carefully before making commitments. I am frankly hoping that what has delayed her Master is not of a serious matter and is just inconvience... if not this... what?

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RE: Keeping The Faith - 3/15/2006 7:44:37 AM

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before meeting someone from online i wanna know them at ´least a bit within the possibilities
i dont meet ppl that dont give me their cellphone number ( i give mine too) , a picture (i give mine too), and a talking before meeting
within that ...more than 15 min late without a phonecall is a no go for me. educated ppl will phone when they r only 5 min late.
there is public phones if ur cellpone doesnt work, and if u gona meet someone u will take the number and the name with u. so there is no excuse for not talking unless ur in hospital or got captured by aliens *grins*
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RE: Keeping The Faith - 3/15/2006 7:56:58 AM

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I have to admit that My heart fell when I read that true's Master had never shown up.
For Myself, I had a boy who was corresponding quite regularly for about 3 months. We had tentative plans for a meet last month. About 2 weeks prior to the loosely made plans, which were on schedule right then to be firmed up, nothing. No contact. He is actually still on this site, but has not been online since prior to the "no response" issue in late January. I sometimes wonder what happened, and that was a big disappointment to Me. He is a " no show" in a sense. By the way, I was trying to arrange a phone call and still requesting a photo. That probably should have been "first clues" for Me. Sometimes, when other things seem so great, we will overlook the obvious.
Maybe this is why I do not hesitate to make meeting arrangements as quickly as possible. I'm with Tress on the arrangement for lunch, or other similar public meeting. If the submissive is a no show, I still got out, and had a nice meal. And, frankly, I am not as involved yet, so it is easier to write off the no show and move along. I'm sure I am building some walls, and I am sorry for the boys who have to take the brunt of all the idiots, but it is a fact.
Dominant or submissive, I would never stand anyone up, and I certainly wouldn't be discussing life altering plans if I was not sincere. The anonymity of the net allows for extreme rudeness. Sometimes you take it in stride as the typical attitude of today. Other times, it is harder, because it seems there was a lot more involved.
Late is late. And there is more than one way to be late.

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RE: Keeping The Faith - 3/15/2006 8:01:36 AM

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When I meet people from online, it's not usually for a play relationship. Libby and I tend to meet play partners through munches, classes and things like that. Usually, it's more a "I'm new to the scene and I'd like to talk to someone." This means that they usually aren't flying in or coming from more than 200 miles away.

When we are meeting someone, we give them our number and tell them to call if they are going to be more than five minutes late. We specify five minutes because we've met people who don't think missing an appointment by half a hour is "late." We also specify that they should call us as soon as they know they are going to be late. If the appointment is for eleven, we really expect to hear about delays before 10:50.

We have a standard format for these meetings. There is a nice fast food place about five minutes from the house. Usually we schedule the meetings around lunch or supper. Because it is so close, we can arrive almost exactly on time. We order, sit down, eat, talk, relax. If the person hasn't shown up in the half hour we usually take for this we leave.

They don't get a second chance for a private meeting. If we get a sob story later, we tell them something like "The SPICE book club is meeting at the Denny's on Jog Rd in Fort Lauderdale on the 22nd. We'd love to see you there."

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RE: Keeping The Faith - 3/15/2006 8:14:30 AM

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In general attitude I agree with yourMissTress on this matter.

I absolutely expect anyone over whom I exert dominion to keep me very well informed of any changes in terms of what I am expecting - some changes are okay, and some are not.

I can be forgiving on a very limited basis, but usually not more than once as a rule. I sometimes give someone a break because there may be a learning issue at stake - and I may want a particular person to know that they have some room to screw up, learn, and do better thereafter.

On a generic "first date" - 30 minutes to an hour is stretching things. Letting someone get away with such without a real excuse sets a very bad precedent. Actually, it's a passive-aggressive attempt to struggle for power. I "get" that part of it. Nervousness is not an okay excuse. Horrific traffic with a cell phone call is. My plane was delayed/rerouted with a cell phone call is also cool. I am fairly reasonable if kept in the information loop.

There's so many people in the world there isn't any point to wasting too much time with the fuck-ups. So I don't do it. I was skimming the other thread on the 7 day waiting thing and that's just plain rude. Screw that person. On a certain level, it may be wise to assume many people here are fakes until proven otherwise. There's lots of ways you can get them to prove themselves including phone calls and a copy/image of their driver's license. Something about that whole damaged throat thing perks up my alarm - it stinks of bullshit. Please keep in mind that I haven't followed the story very closely at all...

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RE: Keeping The Faith - 3/15/2006 8:37:15 AM

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It really depends.

If it's a first date, and I haven't heard from them in 10 minutes, the chances of a second date are pretty much crushed (certainly not a one on one date).

If I've been involved for a few months and they are surprisingly late or gone, I'll be more worried than anything.

If I've been seriously involved for, let's say, a year, and we're planning a trip together, I'd go seriously nutso if they just disappeared. Nutso in the "they must be dead or something went amazingly wrong to not be answering their phone or calling me" way.

The problem with long distance cyber based relationships is that there is an emotional closeness that rt relationships have without the shared life and time together so it becomes very hard to judge. I think the "going from cyber to living together in one fell swoop" is a truly horrible idea and the fact that there may be one success story doesn't change that.

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RE: Keeping The Faith - 3/15/2006 9:06:28 AM

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If I've been seriously involved for, let's say, a year, and we're planning a trip together, I'd go seriously nutso if they just disappeared. Nutso in the "they must be dead or something went amazingly wrong to not be answering their phone or calling me" way.

i can completely relate to this. He has never "no-showed" but there have been times i didn't hear from him for awhile, which is abnormal, and my worry-meter goes crazy.

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RE: Keeping The Faith - 3/15/2006 9:55:21 AM

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Upon a dear friends advice, I need to do a little further explaining of what has happened. I will try to make this short as to not bore you to death.. <half smile>

Over a year ago, Jeff and I began as friends on a vanilla basis. He was living with someone, I wasn't looking for anyone or anything. Over the following 6 months or so, things began to change for us. Feelings, that neither of us expected. Now mind you, in this 6 months time frame, he has split with g/f, her taking their son from him<that I also went through with him on emotional support with custody battle and he got son back>, buried his brother and I was there for him as best as I could be with our distance. Now looking back, upon the death of his brother, when this happened, he sort of disappeared on me. He left a one line e-mail, saying something has come up and won't be around for awhile. It was between 2-3 weeks later that I heard from him. Now this was early in barely begining relationship. No need to see a red flag there.. (Thinking of it now, one might see it)

For the next few months, thinks went smoothly. We had talked of our new feelings that were now beyond just friends. We kept each other informed of things going on in our lives to our kids, other family members, and our selfs. If one was not going to be able to be around for day or so, it was explained and all was good. Now mind you in all this time, there was no cybering, neither one liked it nor wanted it. In August I got the best birthday present ever.. him. Our lives were forever changed then. As we discussed our true concerns, feelings, fears, wants and needs with each other. When this occured, I figured it was time to tell him who I really was. So I began to tell him of my submission. His response, I knew already. He watched me, knew the signs. Because he was a Dom. Something I didn't know, nor seen in him. He said he felt I was trying to leave it behind and wanted me to open the door to it so that he knew it was what I wanted still.

Thanksgiving..... Jessica.. will you marry me. WOW! quite a blow coming from one who new not only was I allergic to the "M" word, but he too feared it as well. I said yes I would marry him. That's how much I knew I loved this man. Trusted this man.

It was discussed before hand that he would be in AZ for Christmas with family and would not be able to attend the holidays with us. About a 2 week before, he decided to be here for New years. Then about a week before Christmas, he decided he would rather be with us for Christmas. So he began his packing. The day he should of left, he was unable to because of still packing. He came on line that day.... talked to me about an hour... said he would be back in about 3 after finishing up...... I spoke to him 2 days later. The Friday before Christmas, he comes on line, and informs me that he was shot in the throat by a kid with a pellet gun. Right below the adams apple by the voice box. That is why he didn't return to talk to me on line, nor was able to call me to tell me what was going on.

Did my alarm bell go off? Yes it did. But because of the past year, I chose to ignore it and believe him. Even when I was questioning him, I knew I wasn't believing him. But I ignored my ownself. Even as the next 2 months goes by waiting to see when and if he was going to need surgery so that he would be able to talk again. After the shooting, there was no voice contact, via PC or phone. Hell the man was unable to talk.

Finally 3rd week of Feb, the doctors gave him the medical release stating he was fit enough to drive out here. Now all alone, he kept telling me they wouldn't release him for the drive because he at times was still having trouble breathing. But he also had to agree to have the corrective surgery once he arrived. He even had me research throat specialist up around UNC Chapel Hill and Raleigh at Duke Medical.

OK, we have a medical release. His words, <yes upon me asking> when can you now make the move? He said he needed 2 weeks, he was working with family member to get extra cash for the move so he wouldn't show up broke from being outta work from the shooting. Ok, I understood this. When first week was about over, I made a comment.. damn... 2 weeks huh? I'm going nutz here. He said.. yes.. 2 more weeks and i'll be there. Alarm bell rang. I said.. 2 more weeks? He said yes.. all I could so was say ok.

Now over the past weekend, as excited as I was. My alarms were going off left and right as I began thinking of a lot of things. Everything from .... would you prefer to me to move to TX instead... there's no work in NC where i'm at.. ..... no i'll find a job there, and it's easier for me to move than uprooting you and the girls. Ok i bought that too. Man had determination. Ok after the shooting... Jeff Jobs are really hard to come by here... and with no voice.. even harder to nil. Don't worry Jessica.. I'll find a job.. I do not need a voice to work and do my job. Major alarm.. but ignored.

Over the weekend things seems to turn. I felt he wanted to argue with me.. make me want to call it all off. No matter how many times he swore he would be here and was coming. He kept.. not wording things right.... that would hit a nerve with me. Sunday evening, About 11pm.... I made comment.. if you're leaving at 5am for drive out here... we should say good night. All he had left to pack was PC and TV. Hmmmm... ok. About an hour later, I was pist. He had asked me what I was thinking.... WRONG MOVE... everyone knows i'm gonna say what's on my mind... so if you do not want to know.. don't ask. I said...if you get here, this is going to be one hell of night you first night home. He says to me.. IF..you have no faith in me at all Jessica. <granted IF was wrong to say, should of been WHEN> But like I said, I felt he was looking for an argument and he found it, because of my slip in wording. He said... I had no faith in him and he felt I didn't want him here to begin with. He only wished he knew that before he packed up his u-haul.

Then amazingly his PC seem to of froze again. Now this has happened before, he can't get IMs out .. I can see them but he can't see mine. So he would normally reboot and come back. Haven't seen him sense. Not a word one. No off lines, No calls, no nothing. MAJOR ALARMS... but the wanting to believe, have trust, faith, wouldn't allow me to think anything other than perhaps PC finally dies totally <or he shot it like he's threaten to do a few other times.. lol> That he decided it would be best to go to bed and just leave in AM.. show up and prove me wrong after all. So when Monday rolled around .... I figured he was on way. Was scheduled to be in between 12 noon and 3pm on Tuesday. Traveling with a 2 year old.. we gave the extra time period. Now knowing he can't talk, we agreed that when he got to town, he would stop and have someone call for him, for me to come and meet him and guide him home. I didn't start to get concerned till fter 6pm. By 9pm I was alightly pist off. At 2 am when I went to bed, I cried.

It is now 12:41 EST Wed afternoon..... I've gone from worried, to pist, to tears, to........... my life will continue on with out him, just as it did before he showed up in it. Sucks... but nothing I can do.

I want to thank you all for putting up with this sob story... and for your thoughts, and kindness and concerns. I also hope that others learn from this as well. Through out the past year.... there were signs. Signs I ignored. They were so little, so minor, one to give the benifit of the doubt to. Through out the building of the realtionship... I had doubts.. i see now looking back on. But I ignored those doubts. Because I wanted to believe. Because this man made me feel alive again. Made me feel I not only could love again.. but loved back. I gave my heart, my soul, my life to this man.

If this man was to call now stating he was in town, or knock on the door... would I run. As much as my head is telling me to run.. my heart I know will make me run to him.. even with my doubts. OK, I'm getting back to being too emotional for this. I just thought some background on what has happened would be in order here. Again, I'm sorry this was a long post, and i'm really thankful for the thoughts, and kindness of the people on CM for being understanding and tolerating me on here.

Jessica

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RE: Keeping The Faith - 3/15/2006 10:09:50 AM

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I would give a person 15 minutes from the time we were supposed to meet me before I'll call them. I'll only call that once. If thirty minutes passes from the time we were supposed to meet and I haven't heard from them, I write them off. In this day and age, there is no excuse for not being able to contact someone.

As for how much time I'll wait before questioning their honesty and integrity? Well, their honesty and integrity is always in question to me until they're in front of me, walking the walk like they talked the talk.

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RE: Keeping The Faith - 3/15/2006 10:59:20 AM

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how much time do you feel the one waiting should wait before questioning the integrity and honesty of the one who is late?

I think an hour is long enough to wait.

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RE: Keeping The Faith - 3/15/2006 11:40:02 AM

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ORIGINAL: truesub4u
If this man was to call now stating he was in town, or knock on the door... would I run. As much as my head is telling me to run.. my heart I know will make me run to him.. even with my doubts. Jessica

The heart and the mind don't always see eye to eye. I just went through a situation, not completely unlike yours, and it was a local, non-computer-based relationship. Funny how when everything seems so right, we don't hear the warning bells we should have heard.

I'm here if you need to share with someone who completely understands where you are coming from. Feel free to email me. <<hugs>>

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RE: Keeping The Faith - 3/15/2006 12:10:03 PM

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true -- think of how many things can be taken as "signs" after the fact. Any one of those things that you mentioned could have turned out to be completely legit.

I feel for you and wish you the best and can only pass on that you hopefully will not beat yourself up over what you think you should have known was a "sign" and that you may or may not have ignored it. At the time, you did what you thought was right with the information you had available and you can't do any more than that. This is especially important to remember if you ever want to give anyone a chance in the future.

Passing along good thoughts and a hug,

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RE: Keeping The Faith - 3/15/2006 12:24:08 PM

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Big hug for you true.

I'm sorry that this happened. But as you see, it happened for a reason. You learned a few big and important lessons about yourself and about other people as well. I'm glad that you've chosen to let others learn from it as well. And I'm very proud of you for how you've handled yourself the last 3 days. A lesser woman would be spewing venom and hatred. Thank you for being better than that.

You are not alone. You have friends and family that love you.

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