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I won't fault Orion for risking his life when he chose to go mano a mano with the intruder. I do fault him for risking his wife and child, father and handicapped mother's lives. He was upstairs, the intruder was downstairs. He could much more safely have called told his wife to call 911, while he locked the basement door. And stood back watching the door in case the intruder managed to break it down.

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Edited to add never mind, you are in Canada Arpig, quite different than here in the states.

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however if mere possession of a gun were made a felony with a hefty minimum sentence you wouldn't have every punk-ass kid carrying guns...it works in most countries

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ORIGINAL: Arpig
The man who followed my advice would have called the police immediately, and then made certain his family was defended, rather than go sneaking around with a loaded gun playing at being a hero. he's damned lucky he didn't get shot and then where would the family have been.

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ORIGINAL: Arpig
there are 2 points at issue here.
»1: Guns period. if guns were removed from the scenario it would be far less dangerous. I already know the arguements against my position on guns, however if mere possession of a gun were made a felony with a hefty minimum sentence you wouldn't have every punk-ass kid carrying guns...it works in most countries

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ORIGINAL: Arpig
»2: His actions. I find them irresponsible. he made no effort to secure the safety of his family before he went off hunting the guy down, If it had of been some psychopath rather than a dumb teen he likely would be dead right now, Before you expand the parameters of the situation beyond all recognition to try prove your point kindly think through the ramifications of said expansion. A raging psychopath would have killed him in his bed well before rummaging through the stuff in the storeroom.

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How would you do that?

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Well how about we just stop manufacturing the fucking things.....you know all journeys start with a simple step!

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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

I won't fault Orion for risking his life when he chose to go mano a mano with the intruder. I do fault him for risking his wife and child, father and handicapped mother's lives. He was upstairs, the intruder was downstairs. He could much more safely have called told his wife to call 911, while he locked the basement door. And stood back watching the door in case the intruder managed to break it down.

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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

I won't fault Orion for risking his life when he chose to go mano a mano with the intruder. I do fault him for risking his wife and child, father and handicapped mother's lives. He was upstairs, the intruder was downstairs. He could much more safely have called told his wife to call 911, while he locked the basement door. And stood back watching the door in case the intruder managed to break it down.

No, he and his girl were sleeping downstairs in the room next to the storage room, and his 4-year old son was in the room across the hall. He had no place to retreat without abandoning at least one family member.

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ORIGINAL: InvisibleBlack
If you pick up a gun and break into someone's home at night - you are pretty much flat out conceding that you are going to use deadly force to get what you want from them. You've already made the choice to murder someone if you have to and you've put yourself in the position where you may well have to.

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When I was twenty one, the brother of a good friend was playing with his twin brother and a boy who had been their best friend since they were toddlers. The friend was showing them his father's handgun. He was sure that it was unloaded. He was just playing around. He shot one of the twins who died on the spot.

When I think of this I don't much care if the owner of the gun had a license or twenty licenses. I only know that if he hadn't had a gun he did not take proper care off, three lives wouldn't have been destroyed.

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

the same society armed both parties

As far as I know, none of my taxes are earmarked for providing guns to criminals. So I take your statement to mean that because our society does not outlaw gun ownership, it "arms" people indiscriminately. But alcoholic beverages aren't illegal in our country either. So can it also be said, then, that our society pours booze down the throats of drunk drivers, just like it "arms" criminals?

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[/quote  Valid point Kirata.....allow me to remedy the statement ...the same society made guns so readily available so as a child could do it....for both parties.
Now you will probably tear that apart too...perhaps it's a little weak  but I think you get the point.

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ORIGINAL: StrangerThan
I'm not here to argue with you spinner, just interject another side to this debate. In the snippet above, the secondary issue is that the neither of the boys seemed to have been taught how to handle weapons. It is a huge point with me because something of the same thing occurred to me. Except i had been taught to handle them and because of it, no lives were destroyed.

I was about 8 at the time, and, I firmly believe that if you're going to keep weapons in the house, then every damned person in that house should know how to handle them, when to handle them, and when not to. Neither of my daughters wanted to. I made them. I took them out, taught them how to shoot, how to carry, how to break down and clean and check every weapon I had to see if it was loaded.

As I told them, I don't care if you love them or hate them. What you will not be is the person who accidentally shoots someone out of ignorance.

And ignorance is THE telling point in most accidental shootings. 

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ORIGINAL: StrangerThan
I'm not here to argue with you spinner, just interject another side to this debate. In the snippet above, the secondary issue is that the neither of the boys seemed to have been taught how to handle weapons. It is a huge point with me because something of the same thing occurred to me. Except i had been taught to handle them and because of it, no lives were destroyed.

I was about 8 at the time, and, I firmly believe that if you're going to keep weapons in the house, then every damned person in that house should know how to handle them, when to handle them, and when not to. Neither of my daughters wanted to. I made them. I took them out, taught them how to shoot, how to carry, how to break down and clean and check every weapon I had to see if it was loaded.

As I told them, I don't care if you love them or hate them. What you will not be is the person who accidentally shoots someone out of ignorance.

And ignorance is THE telling point in most accidental shootings. 

Very well said. I'll add one more simple truth:

You can solve most, if not all accidental shootings through proper training and education. You cannot say the same of home invasion rapes/robberies/murders.

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u
Might I add a simple truth to the above simple truths.....most of those home invasion rapes/robberies/murders involved a gun ! Or hadn't that occured to you ?....perhaps you realised it was not supportive of your point ?

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ORIGINAL: InvisibleBlack
If you pick up a gun and break into someone's home at night - you are pretty much flat out conceding that you are going to use deadly force to get what you want from them. You've already made the choice to murder someone if you have to and you've put yourself in the position where you may well have to.

There is this long tradition of criminals using the threat of violence, probably not every criminal is prepared to take a life that is an oversimplification of human nature.