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RacerJim -> RE: Obama Approval Lowest of Any President at This Point (12/10/2009 6:01:13 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

Hilary wasn't nominated in 2000 or 2004, though.
I actually rather liked Kerry. The sudden u turn the GOP pulled last year about the merits of military service after they found a nominee who wasn't a draft dodger was pretty funny as well. Did they honestly think everybody would have forgotten all those photos of oafs wandering about the Republican convention with purple heart bandages stuck all over their faces?


Kerry holding himself out as a highly-decorated Vietnam War hero when in fact he is a self-indicted under oath TRAITOR and WAR CRIMINAL who only enlisted in the INACTIVE Navy Reserve after his FIFTH draft-deferment was denied wasn't funny at all.  Did Demoncraps actually think everyone would ignore the fact that Kerry's campaign spokesperson admitted that Kerry's 1st Purple Heart was (undeservedly) awarded for an accidently self-inflicted wound and that Kerry was never in Cambodia on Christmas '68 -- just as the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth alleged?  Oh those lying scumbag Swiftboaters!  Which GOP Presidential nominee was a draft-dodger?  




tazzygirl -> RE: Obama Approval Lowest of Any President at This Point (12/10/2009 6:25:36 AM)


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ORIGINAL: RacerJim

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

You forgot to mention that he isnt a US born Citizen
hands you over your tinfoil hat and testicle protector and a blue peter badge



Since you raised the issue, Lucylastic, I'll mention the fact that Barack Hussein Obama, aka Barry Soetoro, may well be a US born citizen but he damn sure is not a "natural born U.S. citizen" -- at least not according to the definition of "natural born U.S. citizen" upon which four desparate legacy U.S. Supreme Court rulings were based -- and, therefore, damn sure was not eligible to apply for the job of POTUS much less accept the job of and serve as POTUS.  That is, of course, assuming the U.S. Constitution and U.S. Supreme Court mean anything to you.




Um... WRONG.

If Lolo Soetoro adopted Obama at age 5 or younger, then Obama would automatically have become an Indonesian citizen according to the country's laws in the 1960s, which stipulated any child aged 5 or younger adopted by an Indonesian father is immediately granted Indonesian citizenship upon completion of the adoption process. Lolo Soetoro could have adopted Obama in Hawaii, although such an adoption would not have necessarily been recognized by Indonesia. Indonesian law at the time also did not recognize dual citizenship, meaning if Obama became Indonesian, then as far as that country was concerned, his U.S. citizenship was no longer recognized by Indonesia. But U.S. law would still recognize Obama as an American citizen.

http://www.thesadtruthis.com/sb/index.php?/archives/65-Obama-AKA-Barry-Soetoro.html




Sanity -> RE: Obama Approval Lowest of Any President at This Point (12/10/2009 6:58:53 AM)



Yeah, its kinda ironic, huh? The guy who was given a Nobel Peace Prize not for what he has accomplished but for what he promises to accomplish glorifies a war prior to being nominated as well as at his acceptance speech.

Naturally, and as you would expect, he's trying to play it all down: 

"...And yet Obama was staying here only about 24 hours and skipping the traditional second day of festivities. This miffed some in Norway but reflects a White House that sees little value in extra pictures of the president, his poll numbers dropping at home, taking an overseas victory lap while thousands of U.S. troops prepare to go off to war and millions of Americans remain jobless.
"

Shhh... [sm=shame.gif]

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


I wonder how the Nobel committee felt when a few months after giving Barack their cherished "peace prize" he was escalating a war.



Probably the same way they felt when he said he was going to escalate the war during his campaign.

Did you miss that?

It was in all the papers.  TV too. 

Honest!





Moonhead -> RE: Obama Approval Lowest of Any President at This Point (12/10/2009 8:16:13 AM)


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ORIGINAL: RacerJim

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

Hilary wasn't nominated in 2000 or 2004, though.
I actually rather liked Kerry. The sudden u turn the GOP pulled last year about the merits of military service after they found a nominee who wasn't a draft dodger was pretty funny as well. Did they honestly think everybody would have forgotten all those photos of oafs wandering about the Republican convention with purple heart bandages stuck all over their faces?


Kerry holding himself out as a highly-decorated Vietnam War hero when in fact he is a self-indicted under oath TRAITOR and WAR CRIMINAL who only enlisted in the INACTIVE Navy Reserve after his FIFTH draft-deferment was denied wasn't funny at all.  Did Demoncraps actually think everyone would ignore the fact that Kerry's campaign spokesperson admitted that Kerry's 1st Purple Heart was (undeservedly) awarded for an accidently self-inflicted wound and that Kerry was never in Cambodia on Christmas '68 -- just as the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth alleged?  Oh those lying scumbag Swiftboaters!  Which GOP Presidential nominee was a draft-dodger?  

At last count, Reagan and Bush II.




Moonhead -> RE: Obama Approval Lowest of Any President at This Point (12/10/2009 8:18:26 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Slavehandsome

When you are trained by Bush & Cheney (before inauguration), act like Bush & Cheney, and continue to drive this nation in the same direction as Bush & Cheney, you should expect popularity and polls just like Bush & Cheney.

A good point, well made.




Lucylastic -> RE: Obama Approval Lowest of Any President at This Point (12/10/2009 9:10:55 AM)

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ORIGINAL: RacerJim

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

You forgot to mention that he isnt a US born Citizen
hands you over your tinfoil hat and testicle protector and a blue peter badge



Since you raised the issue, Lucylastic, I'll mention the fact that Barack Hussein Obama, aka Barry Soetoro, may well be a US born citizen but he damn sure is not a "natural born U.S. citizen" -- at least not according to the definition of "natural born U.S. citizen" upon which four desparate legacy U.S. Supreme Court rulings were based -- and, therefore, damn sure was not eligible to apply for the job of POTUS much less accept the job of and serve as POTUS.  That is, of course, assuming the U.S. Constitution and U.S. Supreme Court mean anything to you.



Strange how only a few "brave souls" believe that birther shit Racer, the fact that you picked out my sarcasm and wanted to build a case on it says a lot.

Show me proof, undeniable proof that will stand up in any law court in the "first world" not just the US and I apologise.... Until then its all a bunch of bullshit made up by racist ignoramuses who are using paranoia and fear. I wish you luck with that because you are buying it hook line and sinker.

With Obamas...apparent power and as the "new world order" head cheese, If there was any danger of him not being a natural born citizen, his handlers would have made up a long form birth certificate that would be impossible to deny even by the doctor that didnt birth him.

The US constitution and the US Supreme Court mean nothing to me...I am not subject to them, but when I visit, I respect the rules and guidelines.
Apart from that they dont affect me, I prefer to live by the Canadian Charter of Rights and the Magna Carta.
Oh and the United Nations Charter of human rights. And I still hate politicians

If you send me your address I 'll send you personalised testicle protectors and a blue peter badge.[sm=hippie.gif]

Lucy





Sanity -> RE: Obama Approval Lowest of Any President at This Point (12/14/2009 7:59:10 AM)

[img]http://www.rasmussenreports.com/var/plain/storage/images/media/obama_index_graphics/december_2009/obama_approval_index_december_14_2009/271567-1-eng-US/obama_approval_index_december_14_2009.jpg[/img]
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The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday shows that 24% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Forty-two percent (42%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -18.

That’s a one point improvement from yesterday when Obama’s Approval Index rating fell to the lowest level yet recorded. Prior to the past three days, the Approval Index had never fallen below -15 during Obama’s time in office (see trends).

As the health care plan struggles in the Senate, public opposition remains stable. Fifty-six percent (56% ) oppose the plan working its way through Congress while just 40% favor it. In Nevada, the health care bill is causing problems for Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid’s bid for re-election.

Fifty-five percent (55%) now disapprove.

Seventy-two percent (72%) of Democrats now offer their approval while 80% of Republicans disapprove. Among voters not affiliated with either major party, just 36% approve.

Seventy-seven percent (77%) of liberals approve while 76% of conservatives disapprove. The bad news for the President is that there are a lot more conservatives in the country than liberals. However, he gets a bit of a boost because 57% of moderate voters still offer their approval.


(Full article here).




DarkSteven -> RE: Obama Approval Lowest of Any President at This Point (12/14/2009 8:11:03 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

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ORIGINAL: RacerJim
Which GOP Presidential nominee was a draft-dodger?  

At last count, Reagan and Bush II.


Funny how times change.  Bush I, Kerry, and McCain were the only recent Pres OR VP nominees to have served honorably if I remember right, while JFK's family pulled strings to get him into the service because he felt that he couldn't have legit Presidential ambitions without service.  "Course, that was right after Ike's term, who AFAIK was the first General to be elected since Grant.




Mercnbeth -> RE: Obama Approval Lowest of Any President at This Point (12/14/2009 8:17:22 AM)

The disconnect is typical for all politicians...

President Obama told Oprah Winfrey on Sunday night he gives himself a "good, solid B-plus" for his first 11 months in the Oval Office. On what was billed as Oprah's "White House Christmas Special," Obama credited his administration with getting the economy on track, winding down the Iraq war and making the right call for a temporary surge in Afghanistan. He also said America has "reset" its prestige in the world and made progress toward halting development of nuclear weapons in Iran and North Korea.

You can participate in the grading system from the NY Daily News Link. As of this posting 69% grade him 'D' or 'F'; the rest are public employees.


Barack Obama says he deserves a "solid B+" for his first year as US president - missing out on top marks because of work yet to do.

The Nobel Peace Prize winner told Oprah Winfrey that helping to steady the economy and building plans for the withdrawal from Iraq were highlights of his first 11 months in office.


Only because he has "more yet to do" does he not give himself an 'A'.

But he was only on Obrah and one segment of 60 Minutes last night, his self promotion is slowing down. He went out of his way to talk about the "Fat-cat Bankers". If it were a news network they may have asked; what about the Federal bureaucracy and Barney Frank's lending mandate being contributory?

Now those insulted, the same in many cases he thought worthy just 10 months ago of giving $800 Billion of tax money, will be asked to loosen up their lending. Yeah - that will work, can't wait to hear at the next shareholders meeting how they would love to lend - but don't want to be accused of lowering standards. We're back to the days of the only people who can get a loan are those who don't need one.

At least he has his base to support him - Public Employees and those that think the only thing holding back this Administration is the FOX news network! [sm=rofl.gif]




Musicmystery -> RE: Obama Approval Lowest of Any President at This Point (12/14/2009 8:25:51 AM)

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We're back to the days of the only people who can get a loan are those who don't need one.


Actually, we're back to the days, I hope, when the only people who can get a loan are those able to repay it.

Previously, ignoring that was called usury, and those practicing it loan sharks. Now it's called banking.




Mercnbeth -> RE: Obama Approval Lowest of Any President at This Point (12/14/2009 8:59:27 AM)

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we're back to the days, I hope, when the only people who can get a loan are those able to repay it.

Previously, ignoring that was called usury, and those practicing it loan sharks. Now it's called banking.


Really? They must have changed the name again. Prior to October 2008, it was called Fannie Mae. Supported and encourage through government regulations dictating that lenders provide lending to people who couldn't ever be expected under standard fiducially responsible Bank lending programs.

However I understand why Obama and the current Congress would want to avoid any attention to that reality.

Last night I saw the tactic working; as it is today.




ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Obama Approval Lowest of Any President at This Point (12/14/2009 9:06:36 AM)

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ORIGINAL: RacerJim
...the definition of "natural born U.S. citizen" upon which four desparate legacy U.S. Supreme Court rulings were based...



I almost hate to ask, but what exactly is a "desparate legacy Supreme Court ruling?"




Musicmystery -> RE: Obama Approval Lowest of Any President at This Point (12/14/2009 9:10:34 AM)

Banking in the larger sense, of course.

In many ways, it's the Savings & Loan meltdown all over again. Different day, different bailout, similar lessons ignored.

The derivatives were new. Bundle bad investments with good ones to hide the risk.

Just incredible.

Reality still is--people who can't pay back loans can't pay back loans. This doesn't mean people should be shut out--it DOES mean people shouldn't be encouraged to buy more than they can afford--car, home, credit cards, whatever. It's become a "gotcha" game, not a business venture, and in the long run, that's not good for anyone.







InvisibleBlack -> RE: Obama Approval Lowest of Any President at This Point (12/14/2009 9:13:27 AM)

Dude! Don't poke that!




Moonhead -> RE: Obama Approval Lowest of Any President at This Point (12/14/2009 9:22:42 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

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ORIGINAL: RacerJim
Which GOP Presidential nominee was a draft-dodger?  

At last count, Reagan and Bush II.


Funny how times change.  Bush I, Kerry, and McCain were the only recent Pres OR VP nominees to have served honorably if I remember right, while JFK's family pulled strings to get him into the service because he felt that he couldn't have legit Presidential ambitions without service.  "Course, that was right after Ike's term, who AFAIK was the first General to be elected since Grant.


Didn't Andrew Jackson serve in the military as well? Not sure if he was before or after Grant, though.




Musicmystery -> RE: Obama Approval Lowest of Any President at This Point (12/14/2009 9:24:02 AM)

Long before.




Mercnbeth -> RE: Obama Approval Lowest of Any President at This Point (12/14/2009 9:52:56 AM)

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Reality still is--people who can't pay back loans can't pay back loans. This doesn't mean people should be shut out--it DOES mean people shouldn't be encouraged to buy more than they can afford--car, home, credit cards, whatever. It's become a "gotcha" game, not a business venture, and in the long run, that's not good for anyone.


Totally agree, getting us to the pregnant question - now what?

Were the relative freedom enjoyed by car ownership and driving; the annual death toll on the highways would point to a government 'solution' to eliminate cars, if the same regulations being considered toward the Banking industry became law. I know of no banker lobbying for no banking regulations. Keeping the car analogy transparency, disclosure, and limits should be in place, as are the speed limits, impaired driving, and 'testing' of the vehicle and the driver should be in place and enforced.

It was only when the existing, albeit informal, LTV and income regulations used by mortgage lenders came under scrutiny as 'prejudicial' and, in some cases 'racist' that lenders had to loosen up or their charters and expansion licenses denied. As an 'insider' during this transition I can speak directly that each and every lending program initiated by any Federally licenses entity had to include provisions for low income and EEO 'exceptions' to policy.

The 'worst case' opportunistic, government sanctioned disaster was the result. Not because the few that would have come through the doors of the banks, but by the many that were generated by the brokers and loan originators who, if their book of business was turned down by the bank, would send a formal complaint to the regulators who in turn would pressure the financial institutions to accept loans they would have turned down under any other circumstances.

What happened next? Well, the Banks knew what was on their books and wanted to hedge or 'insure' their bets. They went to the insurance companies like AIG who, instead of seeing the loan risks at the borrows level, saw a good bank client with an excellent 'Rating' wanting some insurance on their portfolio's performance. In other words, their underwriting was of the bank, not the paper. When it blew up - everyone was surprised. The insurers didn't realize the risk of what they were insuring. The Banks didn't realize how the first major claim against the insurance would end up taking the profit varnish off the pile of shit they had bought. Compounding the problem was the 'who's holding the paper?'. Some of these things had been sold and bought 10 times with little or no due diligence involved. The concept was very basic - Fannie Mae is 'guaranteeing' it, Congress demands it, we're 'insured', the Fed wants it, and "hell - Real Estate NEVER loses value. Only one of those, the value of Real Estate, was 'banker' controlled.

Something to consider, not to change anyone's mind - but a dose of reality sometimes help.




Musicmystery -> RE: Obama Approval Lowest of Any President at This Point (12/14/2009 9:55:25 AM)

If the "news" here is that industries don't want to regulated, I think we've finished.

I completely agree that many, many, poor and superficial business decisions were made on the basis of habit rather than analysis.

We're really becoming a nation of people that just don't think things through--or want to.





Mercnbeth -> RE: Obama Approval Lowest of Any President at This Point (12/14/2009 9:59:49 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
If the "news" here is that industries don't want to regulated, I think we've finished.


We very well could be if that was your translation of this statement.
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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth (EDITED, because MM wants to be sure people don't think he's arguing with himself) I know of no banker lobbying for no banking regulations.
It is a case where the double negative is appropriate. They are not lobbying for none. They are lobbying for clear regulations without "yeah but..." exceptions so Congress can provide an ROI for their special interest pay masters.

We both know that's never going to happen.




Musicmystery -> RE: Obama Approval Lowest of Any President at This Point (12/14/2009 10:02:22 AM)

Please don't attribute quotes to me that I haven't said (talking about the second quote here).




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