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MasterIronwood -> Sex vs Love (12/10/2009 12:18:00 PM)

I know that don't but I don't understand why most women can't/won't separate love and sex. They are two different things and I have found only the exceptional few women able to separate the two.

I would be interested in any feedback on this subject, particularly interested in any feedback from the women (Domme, sub or slave).



mnottertail -> RE: Sex vs Love (12/10/2009 12:22:12 PM)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsCXZczTQXo

wiring, men are 220 women 110.

MasterElectrician



Lockit -> RE: Sex vs Love (12/10/2009 12:25:36 PM)

I want them combined. I grew up with all that free sex.. love the one you're with.. make love not war... it's only a lil thing, come on baby rock my world and if that didn't work... I go to jail soon, could you get me off for my last night of freedom... swingers sex and all that. What I found with all that sex was that a vibrator was most often far more rewarding and I could go to sleep and not worry about some little bundle resulting from... what's the problem babe, it's just sex(?).

I will not be used for just sex and decided I want more, deserve more and I don't need a bunch of partners of just sex when I can have it all or my handy dandy vibrator.



Underumam -> RE: Sex vs Love (12/10/2009 12:27:55 PM)

I'm a guy, and I find sex to be an expression of love for the most part. I guess it has been two separate things in the past, but it's taken on a whole new meaning over the past few years. In fact, while in a relationship where love's involved, I need sexual expression and don't have any interest in a relationship without it. I don't need sex just for sex's sake.



lizi -> RE: Sex vs Love (12/10/2009 12:28:35 PM)

For most females it's simply the way things are. It's the way they are wired. It's not something they consciously choose. I'm sure a lot of women wish it wasn't like that but they can't really change their own nature.

It's like asking why do men have to combine sports and beer...to them one seems incomplete without the other. Same for women and sex and love. Sex seems incomplete without the love.



RCdc -> RE: Sex vs Love (12/10/2009 12:28:53 PM)

I have often found that men think that just because a woman sleeps with them and then tells them they would like to again, that the man thinks that means the woman is falling in love... instead of just taking the compliment that they are just a good fuck.

the.dark.



breatheasone -> RE: Sex vs Love (12/10/2009 12:32:48 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterIronwood

I know that don't but I don't understand why most women can't/won't separate love and sex. They are two different things and I have found only the exceptional few women able to separate the two.

I would be interested in any feedback on this subject, particularly interested in any feedback from the women (Domme, sub or slave).


i can't imagine why in the world i would do that? That is VERY intimate and special to me, i can't IMAGINE spreading my legs for any hard dick.



Justme696 -> RE: Sex vs Love (12/10/2009 12:34:32 PM)

quote:

I know that don't but I don't understand why most women can't/won't separate love and sex.


many have brains and use it.....and they have a choice



ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Sex vs Love (12/10/2009 12:35:58 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterIronwood

I know that don't but I don't understand why most women can't/won't separate love and sex. They are two different things and I have found only the exceptional few women able to separate the two.

I would be interested in any feedback on this subject, particularly interested in any feedback from the women (Domme, sub or slave).



I'm a man who can't/won't separate them. Sex without love or some similar strong emotional attachment is utterly pointless to me, has no appeal whatsoever. I have absolutely no interest in casual sex, so I'm not a good match for women who are looking for just that. Sounds like you're not a good match for women who aren't interested in casual sex. To each their own.



sweetsub1957 -> RE: Sex vs Love (12/10/2009 12:43:55 PM)

I know the difference, yet when I involve myself in a relationship it will be one that includes BOTH.  For me, sex is an expression of love, and without love it just makes me feel like a whorish piece of meat (and not in a good way).  I'm holding out for both at the same time.



Mercnbeth -> RE: Sex vs Love (12/10/2009 12:49:08 PM)

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...They are two different things and I have found only the exceptional few women able to separate the two...


there's a boatload of negative social stigma attached to the woman who doesn't NEED or REQUIRE weeks, months and/or years spent creating a bond of love with a man in order to spread their legs for a fulfilling sexual encounter...and somewhere someone came up with the idea that monogamy, in a legally sanctioned relationship is the only "proper" way for a woman to behave---go figure.
 
it has been this slave's experience that women who don't give a shit about negative social stigma and/or don't hold back sex for love/commitment are in the minority.  (YAAAAY!!!  more for us!!![;)])



Phoenixpower -> RE: Sex vs Love (12/10/2009 12:49:10 PM)

I know the difference, though for me it is more called sex with heart and sex without heart...due to being involved with too many fools in the last years my heart is switched off at sex until Mr. right comes along....which is for me the better solution...therefore I can have sex without believing too much the words of a guy and without taking him too serious...though he buy far won't receive the best from me until I know that he is worth to put any effort into it....



LadyPact -> RE: Sex vs Love (12/10/2009 12:54:24 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterIronwood

They are two different things and I have found only the exceptional few women able to separate the two.

I would be interested in any feedback on this subject, particularly interested in any feedback from the women (Domme, sub or slave).



Well, congratulations.  You found one.

In truth, I think the majority of women out there know the difference between sex and love.  However, in many cases, a number of women also know that they have a preference between having an emotional attachment (what you're calling love but I'm opening up to a broader definition) to the person they are having sex with, and having no type of bonding to them.  Many women tend to be nurturers, so it is only logical that many are more satisfied in sexual relationships with people they care about.

Just a bit of intuition here, but if you have stumbled onto the world of BDSM thinking it meant that all women who participate in WIITWD are only interested in quick sex with any person who slapped a 'master' label on themselves, you may be in for a rude awakening.



daintydimples -> RE: Sex vs Love (12/10/2009 12:56:35 PM)

Perhaps because for most females, orgasm is more emotionally based than physically based? Women come a lot better when they have some emotional investment, and has been mentioned, many men do as well.

That you are 60 years old and don't know this is (searches for the least inflammable word I can find)...regretable.







Sfortzando -> RE: Sex vs Love (12/10/2009 12:59:18 PM)

Here's the deal - it's a lot easier for men, especially heterosexual men, to separate sex and love than it is for women. When men have sex with women, 99.9% of the time it's a man penetrating a woman either vaginally, orally, or anally. It's easy to distance yourself. Women can't do that. They have to acknowledge they are letting another human being who is most likely stronger than they are themselve acces to enter their body. That requires a lot of trust - a connection is created and, while it's still not love, it's very difficult not to form an attatchment.

Love is about forming a connection with another human being, and one of the way human beings do that is through sex. They aren't the same thing, but love and sex are closely related. It is certainly possible to have meaningless, no strings sex, but for myself and many other women, it is ultimately unsatisfying.



CarrieO -> RE: Sex vs Love (12/10/2009 1:06:48 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterIronwood

I know that don't but I don't understand why most women can't/won't separate love and sex.

Some do and some don't...depends on what they're looking for at the moment.  Isn't it wonderful that we're all so different...vive la difference!
 
They are two different things and I have found only the exceptional few women able to separate the two.

It would appear by your use of the word "exceptional" that you prefer a woman who is willing to separate the two.   Nothing wrong with that...just look for those who do.  I wouldn't be one of them.  Been there, done that...bought the toys to replace it. 

I would be interested in any feedback on this subject, particularly interested in any feedback from the women (Domme, sub or slave).

Feedback; I need emotional connect, love and very hot sex...without one of those three, it's just going through the motions (rather boring at that) for me.  I might as well just stick with the toys which I can throw in a drawer when I'm done with them.



lally2 -> RE: Sex vs Love (12/10/2009 1:07:24 PM)


i dont think its an issue for women so much (anymore).

i completely agree that men are probably better at putting it about than women but thats a throw back i think from the addage that women who screw around are whores and slags.

casual sex is not as rewarding as having sex with someone i really care about. love i think is a slightly strong word tho. to have a sexual relationship with someone you dont love is more than possible, love is a big emotion. to repeatedly have sex with someone i dont love but care about is also more than possible. to have repeated sexual encounters with someone i dont love or care about is highly unlikely (unless the sex is so damn good i cant say no!).

why? - because emotions will creep in and turn it into something more intimate. its how women tick - meaningless sex gets very one dimensional after a while and women can have meaningless sex with a vibrator with no risk of STD's or pregnancy. so in the end why should a woman bother with meaningless sex with a guy. she can hang in there for someone who cares and let the emotionless jockeys find another horse to ride. [:D]



breatheasone -> RE: Sex vs Love (12/10/2009 1:10:28 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: daintydimples

Perhaps because for most females, orgasm is more emotionally based than physically based? Women come a lot better when they have some emotional investment, and has been mentioned, many men do as well.

That you are 60 years old and don't know this is (searches for the least inflammable word I can find)...regretable.






[sm=applause.gif]....well done.



LafayetteLady -> RE: Sex vs Love (12/10/2009 1:11:56 PM)

Honestly, there is a great number of women who want love and sex together, and a great number who are just fine if it is just sex.

I don't really mean to sound rude, but after reading your profile, it might be that they just aren't interested in a purely sexual relationship with you. Most times in my experience when a woman wants just sex, they expect to get something for themselves out of it. In your profile you don't seem to be offering that.

Perhaps what you should be asking is why is that women don't want to just service me sexually with complete disregard to their own enjoyment?



AnimusRex -> RE: Sex vs Love (12/10/2009 1:27:11 PM)

Master Ironwood,
My good man-
Your question was best proposed by Master Henry Higgins as he addressed his good chum, Pickering-


"Women are irrational, that's all there is to that
Their heads are filled with cotton, hay and rags
They're nothing but exasperating, irritating, vacillating
calculating, agitating, maddening, infuriating hags!

Pickering-
Why can't a woman be more like a man?
Yes, why can't a woman be more like a man?
Men are so honest, so thoroughly square
Eternally noble, historically fair
When you win, we always give your back a pat
Why can't a woman
be like that?

Why does every one do what the others do?
Can't a woman learn to use their head?
Why do they do everything their mothers do?
Why don't they grow up, well, like their fathers instead?

Why can't a woman take after a man?
Men are so pleasant, so easy to please...
Whenever you're with them, you're always at ease;
Would you be slighted if we didn't speak for hours? (Of course not!)
Would you be livid if I had a drink or two? (Nonsense!)
Would you be wounded if i never sent you flowers? (Never!)
Well, why can't a woman, be like you?

One man in a million may shout a bit
Now and then there's one with slight defects;
One, perhaps who's truthfullness you doubt a bit
But by and large,
we are a marvelous sex!
Why can't a woman
take after a man?
Men are so friendly, good natured and kind
A better companion
you never will find

If I were hours late for dinner would you bellow? (Of course not!)
If I forgot your silly birthday would you fuss? (Nonsense!)
Would you complain if I took out another fellow? (Never!)
Well why can't a woman be like us?"


Quite right! they are a bothersome lot of creatures, those women!
Devious witches they are- first a good and stalwart man innocently starts out seeking some good poonani, a little anal reaming, maybe a good suck or two, then next thing you know, she works her witchcraft on him, casting a fog of emotion and trickery over his head, and the poor fellow finds himself calling her "sweetie" and picking out engagement rings and allowing her to take his name!

Ahh, the suffering and burdens we men must carry!



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