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truesub4u -> RE: Defining yourself (3/18/2006 12:03:52 AM)

LOL ok OWNED... slick, but not slick enough.... I never ment to imply that slaves do not think... but in the way SOME.. not all post on here.. about how things don't matter, happen...etc.. without his approval... why bother to think at all. I know you are a smart gal. I have alot of respect for you, and the position you hold in your relationship. But not all are like you... as you are not like others.

You read the same post I do, as do others. And some come across as being slaves.... means they not only have no rights, that what they think doesn't matter, what they feel doesn't matter, what they want doesn't matter, what they don't want or feel doesn't matter. Well hell... why bother calling yourself a slave.. just call yourself a piece of furniture.

And then there are the few out ther like you OWNED.. that all though you live by those same thoughts, to a point. You do know it does matter, and that's because your owner helps you to know that it does matter. And that's what makes you.... you.. and unique.

Now.. blow flame out.. be nice.. and here.. have an apple... lmao [:D][:D]




ownedgirlie -> RE: Defining yourself (3/18/2006 12:16:49 AM)

LOL takes the apple and kisses you sloppily for such a post! Damn girl, you are too generous with your words.

i guess i see those other posts as people who think/feel as i do but who just get straight to the point in saying it, without a lot of explanation. So it appears "colder" than it actually is. i can see where others may read them differently, though.

It really wasn't a flame (although i'm a bit chilly and could use a fire). i was surprised by those words so i wanted to ask to clarify. i have seen people say that before, about thinking, and meant it literally. i didn't think you could have meant it like that. And now i know! :)

Thanks for the apple. [:D]




BitaTruble -> RE: Defining yourself (3/18/2006 12:43:49 AM)

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What do you call yourself in this lifestyle, (Master, Mistress, submissive, slave, switch, etc…), and why? Define your role and if possible, tell why or how you came to this definition.



You are not a slave because slavery is illegal. There are no such things as real slaves. You have the power to leave at anytime, so you are not 'really' a slave.

If I had a dime.. ::chuckles::

I wonder if those who speak these words would ever utter such things like.. 'you don't have to pray five times a day' to a devout Muslim. Or, 'have a ham sandwich, it's not illegal' to one of the Jewish persuasion. Such would not only be rude, but disrespectful of their chosen faith. Wars have been started for less insult. Not praying and ham sandwiches are fine for some, but for those of certain faiths they 'are' illegal actions and inactions and their faith decrees that such is something which they must do or not do. Shall the Jewish man commit a sin for a slice of bacon because to suggest to him he have that for breakfast is exactly what you are asking him to do. To suggest to this collared slave that she has such a power to dictate the terms of her slavery is no different. You are intruding into her faith and beliefs. My spirituality is very much a part of my S/m M/s life.. it's power cannot be separated. My faith in what slavery means to me and how I practice it's rituals and how those effect my spiritual well-being is as much a part of me as my motherhood and both are sacrosanct. To offer me a choice is to offer the Jewish man bacon. Such offers are politely declined by the laws under which I have chosen to live. I choose S/m as a way of expression and D/s as a method of interaction ... Master choose M/s as a way of life.

Power and faith in BDSM are the hallmarks of my strength to serve and please Master. The power he holds is power he took. There was no tacit agreement, no consent between the capture of my power and his ability to take such from me. He wanted such for his own then set about the taking of it through his stability and consistent action. I do not have the power to walk away unless there comes a time when Master returns that power to me.. such is my faith in him, my belief in slavery and my devotion to the life I have chosen to live. I do not hold others or expect others to believe as I believe any more than the Jewish man expects others to give up bacon thus, I am called slave by the only one whose opinions count ... and that is Master.

Celeste







ShadeDiva -> RE: Defining yourself (3/18/2006 12:49:37 AM)

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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble
I wonder if those who speak these words would ever utter such things like.. 'you don't have to pray five times a day' to a devout Muslim. Or, 'have a ham sandwich, it's not illegal' to one of the Jewish persuasion. Such would not only be rude, but disrespectful of their chosen faith. Wars have been started for less insult. Not praying and ham sandwiches are fine for some, but for those of certain faiths they 'are' illegal actions and inactions and their faith decrees that such is something which they must do or not do. Shall the Jewish man commit a sin for a slice of bacon because to suggest to him he have that for breakfast is exactly what you are asking him to do. To suggest to this collared slave that she has such a power to dictate the terms of her slavery is no different. You are intruding into her faith and beliefs. My spirituality is very much a part of my S/m M/s life.. it's power cannot be separated. My faith in what slavery means to me and how I practice it's rituals and how those effect my spiritual well-being is as much a part of me as my motherhood and both are sacrosanct. To offer me a choice is to offer the Jewish man bacon. Such offers are politely declined by the laws under which I have chosen to live. I choose S/m as a way of expression and D/s as a method of interaction ... Master choose M/s as a way of life.

Power and faith in BDSM are the hallmarks of my strength to serve and please Master. The power he holds is power he took. There was no tacit agreement, no consent between the capture of my power and his ability to take such from me. He wanted such for his own then set about the taking of it through his stability and consistent action. I do not have the power to walk away unless there comes a time when Master returns that power to me.. such is my faith in him, my belief in slavery and my devotion to the life I have chosen to live. I do not hold others or expect others to believe as I believe any more than the Jewish man expects others to give up bacon thus, I am called slave by the only one whose opinions count ... and that is Master.



Beautifully put.

For those that choose their own lives, it is what it is to them, no matter how those on the outside might declare it to be otherwise.




ownedgirlie -> RE: Defining yourself (3/18/2006 12:51:09 AM)

What a post. i applaud you for it.




ImpGrrl -> RE: Defining yourself (3/18/2006 7:42:09 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Cloudz

To quote Ms. Morrisette;


Meredith Brooks.




IrishMist -> RE: Defining yourself (3/18/2006 7:48:19 AM)

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And that's fine misty, W/we like the way you think. I don't know many who really do want a doormat. I consider it a fine trait, no matter what you identify as, to have a thought process capable of formulating original ideas. This to me has little to do with submission, being a slave, a top, a bottom, a Dominant or anything else, it is necessary to create that individualism that sets you apart from everyone else.


Why thank you Kindly Scooter; ya'll are way too nice :)




twicehappy -> RE: Defining yourself (3/18/2006 8:15:26 AM)

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Not to split hairs here, but before you go telling people that they are not "literal* slaves, I could point out that, if you live in the United States and many other countries in the world, you too are not a literal slave. You can wrap it and contract it and legal verbiage it any way you want, but at the end of the day, you can walk away and no court in the land will return you to your master if you decide you want out. It's still consensual, any way you swing it.

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ORIGINAL: twicehappy
Before I get an overload of irate responses, no one is stopping people in other types of relationship calling themselves anything they like. However, if they're not literal slaves then i do not see how they can reasonably claim to be such (rather than making perfectly accurate statements that they like to be treated as a slave, to serve as a slave, to roleplay life as a slave or whatever other aspect of the idea of slavery they enjoy.)




At that point i would no longer be entitled to call myself a slave. Again please note i said” no one is stopping people in other types of relationship calling themselves anything they like. However, if they're not literal slaves then i do not see how they can reasonably claim to be such”. This was not a thread about legalities. Rather about defining your chosen role and why you choose that definition. What it means to you, individually. I would write more here but i do not think i could do it as eloquently as BitaTruble did in her lovely post.




Level -> RE: Defining yourself (3/18/2006 8:39:12 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

To suggest to this collared slave that she has such a power to dictate the terms of her slavery is no different. You are intruding into her faith and beliefs. My spirituality is very much a part of my S/m M/s life.. it's power cannot be separated. My faith in what slavery means to me and how I practice it's rituals and how those effect my spiritual well-being is as much a part of me as my motherhood and both are sacrosanct.

Celeste



Good morning Celeste. I've heard a few others equate their m/s life with their spirituality. I'd enjoy hearing more about that someday, maybe it would make a good thread?

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Evanesce -> RE: Defining yourself (3/18/2006 8:41:40 AM)

I'm the Kaptin's wench. I don't fit into any neatly- labeled pigeonhole, although I've been known to refer to myself as a switch and as a dominant slave.

I am His slave because I am His property.

I am a switch because I can bottom and top with equal fervor and enjoyment.

I am dominant because it is my nature to be so.

I'm vulnerable, egotistical, stubborn, clingy at times, needy, independent, willful, trusting, jaded, and any number of other things at one time or another; sometimes in combination, sometimes not.

Basically, I'm just me, for whatever that is worth.




twicehappy -> RE: Defining yourself (3/18/2006 11:50:46 AM)

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. As for myself, i'm the furthest thing from a slave that there can be. I think to much, I speak to much, I feel to much, I want to much, I need to much.



Do you think being a slave means you nether think, nor speak, nor want, nor need?

I beg to differ. I am very intelligent, was a medical professional for 18 years, have raced motorcycles, and am well educated. My friends, family, owners would unequivocally state I am one of the most highly individualistic people they know I dabble in a diversity of passions. What Master or Mistress wants to own something that cannot think? An intelligent, well rounded slave with a great degree of emotional capacity makes a preferred slave. They are able to provide better service, hold a conversation, learn your desires at a faster rate, and the depth of their ability to feel, to respond is unmatched.




truesub4u -> RE: Defining yourself (3/18/2006 11:56:11 AM)

and there's another that seems to think when something is said, it directed straight at them.... and no that is not what i think .... it's how other seem to state one minute.. and then the next, they're all well rounded.. and have oh all this freedom to do (place whatever here) and then they'll turn around and again state.. it's not me.. it's them... make up your damn minds... lol




amayos -> RE: Defining yourself (3/18/2006 12:13:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyMorgynn
Not to split hairs here, but before you go telling people that they are not "literal* slaves, I could point out that, if you live in the United States and many other countries in the world, you too are not a literal slave. You can wrap it and contract it and legal verbiage it any way you want, but at the end of the day, you can walk away and no court in the land will return you to your master if you decide you want out. It's still consensual, any way you swing it.


Slavery does not exist in the United States and other countries?

This would seem to run contrary to State Department findings, which estimated three years ago that approximately 900,000 people are sold into slavery across international borders every year. Roughly 20,000 were brought into the United States alone. It's important to note this does not account for internal trafficking within our own borders, or natural cases of ongoing domestic abuse and captivity that widely go unreported. All this despite the fact that article four of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, adopted by the General Assembly of the United Nations, specifically prohibits such actions.

Further considering that torture, mistreatment and the private circumvention of law seems to have been a deliberate part of the current administration's "counterterrorism strategy", one can't help but view the "Land of the Free" with a certain sense of irony. If one watches the actions of their government and citizens closely enough, they will inevitably note a number of legal, corporate, political, religious and cultural behaviors and motives not entirely in line with the idea of universal human rights.

But is the above relevant, in context to the discussions here on BDSM internet message boards? Only when one makes a blanket statement similar to the likes of which this comment is replying.

To address the form of slavery as it applies to some here, there are definitions which do fit—specfically the existence of slavery that isn't relegated to chattel definition. In short, a human being who, by entering upon initial consent, is made to be excessively dependant upon, subject to and controlled entirely by another.

But as I pull my head away from all this cold, technical diarrhea of the keyboard, I realize that no matter how needle accurate our litigious and cognitive squabblings inevitably become on this matter, they dismiss an entire world of psychological, physiological and spiritual dimension fathomlessly present in this idealized slave; an experiential essence which transcends the rote mantras argued endlessly and without resolve. That these experiences in unison serve as a bond stronger than chain, that inevitably what is stronger than law or sword are convictions and ideas in one's own mind. One who denies the sincerity of these bonds likewise dismisses the reality of countless souls—be they soldiers, civilians, acolytes, servants or slaves—who have died defending a belief, a conviction, an idea or way of life. That one's inability to comprehend these depths and trappings of the human mind and soul due to their own crassly voluptuous cynicism, cultural brainwashing, frivolity or ignorance does not mean they do not exist.








Vancouver_cinful -> RE: Defining yourself (3/18/2006 12:34:33 PM)


I suppose I best define myself as a submissive, with slave tendencies. I don't feel I would fit well into a strict M/s relationship but I do have moments when my slave side needs to feel truly owned. This can be a bit problematic.

I also have a little-girl side, and a pet side, too. These are mostly role-play desires.

Cin ~> (a good sub, but a mediocre masochist.)




KnightofMists -> RE: Defining yourself (3/18/2006 1:18:18 PM)

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I do not have the power to walk away unless there comes a time when Master returns that power to me.



I am curious... in what manners so you see that your Master could return that power to you? This of course is an event this not probable.. but possible even if odds are comparable to that of winning the lottery, I hope you never win the lottery *G*


Also a very nice post indeed.






ChainedExistence -> RE: Defining yourself (3/18/2006 1:39:14 PM)

Loved and Collared Slave- Because it's what I feel- heart and soul, and because it's what Master says is true...




twicehappy -> RE: Defining yourself (3/18/2006 4:48:27 PM)

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To address the form of slavery as it applies to some here, there are definitions which do fit—specfically the existence of slavery that isn't relegated to chattel definition. In short, a human being who, by entering upon initial consent, is made to be excessively dependant upon, subject to and controlled entirely by another.

But as I pull my head away from all this cold, technical diarrhea of the keyboard, I realize that no matter how needle accurate our litigious and cognitive squabblings inevitably become on this matter, they dismiss an entire world of psychological, physiological and spiritual dimension fathomlessly present in this idealized slave; an experiential essence which transcends the rote mantras argued endlessly and without resolve. That these experiences in unison serve as a bond stronger than chain, that inevitably what is stronger than law or sword are convictions and ideas in one's own mind. One who denies the sincerity of these bonds likewise dismisses the reality of countless souls—be they soldiers, civilians, acolytes, servants or slaves—who have died defending a belief, a conviction, an idea or way of life. That one's inability to comprehend these depths and trappings of the human mind and soul due to their own crassly voluptuous cynicism, cultural brainwashing, frivolity or ignorance does not mean they do not exist.



WOW! Eloquently put. Another human who comprehends the complexity of the slave’s innermost soul. Thank you amayos for this reply.




ownedgirlie -> RE: Defining yourself (3/18/2006 5:02:00 PM)

i thought exactly the same. Brilliant post, Amayos.




sophia37 -> RE: Defining yourself (3/18/2006 5:16:58 PM)

I guess Raven got me thinking when he called himself a
Dom and a Master and then described it as..."When I care I take control, I build, shape and help her become what I can see she could be .." For me that describes my role perfectly as a "Mother". So thats one name or title you could call me.

Like Lucky Albatross, I am polyamorous since I love more than one person. I actually love a lot of people, in and out of a bedroom.

I must also be a switch since I wear so many hats. One day I must slap people around, other days I submit to all the BS. Believe me there are days when I'm tops and days when I just bottom right out! lol

The good news must be, thats it's possible to be all things to all people! Wow. I never thought of it that way before. Only here can I think of all these new ways to see the world. Thank you! Thats a nice thought for me.






BitaTruble -> RE: Defining yourself (3/18/2006 5:17:45 PM)

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I am curious... in what manners so you see that your Master could return that power to you? This of course is an event this not probable.. but possible even if odds are comparable to that of winning the lottery, I hope you never win the lottery *G*


Excellent question. One way would be for him to tell me he didn't want me anymore and released me/dismissed me. I doubt that would be enough to actually feel like I had my power back, at least in the beginning, but without application the point becomes moot in that respect. My first Master died.. that was a pretty clear indicator of the return of my power. My second Master asked me if I would collar him and be his Mistress.. let me tell you, that power came surging back so fast I thought my head would spin from it. Oh, and I declined the offer and we went our separate ways. If there is another way, I have no idea what it is, but I'm moderately bright, so figure I'll know it if I see it. :)

Celeste





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