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willbeurdaddy -> RE: Go Get Him, Al! (12/19/2009 3:20:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales quote: First, the general view of him as Messiah was during the campaign, not once he took office. His plummetting poll numbers attest to that. Second there is still a good portion of the population that views him that way, because they don't can't see past his skin color and the pot of gold in handouts they still think they are going to see. No lies there. ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy Perhaps you deal with more liberals and progressives than I do. The one's I've talked to, read from and dealt with never thought of Obama as the Messiah. We thought of him as someone who might make some much needed changes to the way things were going. And again, you false model of anyone who believes in a progressive agenda as looking for a handout is a lie. But the last time I pointed that out, you resorted to personal insults of my ability and my intelligence so there's no need to hope you'll deal with this on an issue basis this time, is there? I don't know which is sadder, the idea that you are just saying these things to advance your political agenda or the idea that you might actually believe them. No, what is sad is that you are so blindly ideological that you deny the obvious and embarass yourself in the process.

SpinnerofTales -> RE: Go Get Him, Al! (12/19/2009 3:34:53 PM)
quote: No, what is sad is that you are so blindly ideological that you deny the obvious and embarass yourself in the process. quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy This is very strange. I have posted approval of some of Obama's actions and strong disapproval of others. I have stated that there are things I like about his leadership style and things I do not like at all. You on the other hand, have posted nothing but standard party-line denunciations of everything he has done or said since his election. Yet I am blindly ideological? I suppose that your definition of blindly ideological means "anyone who doesn't agree with me."

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Go Get Him, Al! (12/19/2009 3:41:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales quote: No, what is sad is that you are so blindly ideological that you deny the obvious and embarass yourself in the process. quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy This is very strange. I have posted approval of some of Obama's actions and strong disapproval of others. I have stated that there are things I like about his leadership style and things I do not like at all. You on the other hand, have posted nothing but standard party-line denunciations of everything he has done or said since his election. Yet I am blindly ideological? I suppose that your definition of blindly ideological means "anyone who doesn't agree with me." All it takes is one snippet to prove how blindly ideological you are...that he doesnt govern far enough to the left. Case closed. As far as my positions, it is impossible to be "standard party line" since there is no party that represents both fiscal conservatives and social moderates.

SpinnerofTales -> RE: Go Get Him, Al! (12/19/2009 3:53:11 PM)
quote: All it takes is one snippet to prove how blindly ideological you are...that he doesnt govern far enough to the left. Case closed. As far as my positions, it is impossible to be "standard party line" since there is no party that represents both fiscal conservatives and social moderates. quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy quote: ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales quote: No, what is sad is that you are so blindly ideological that you deny the obvious and embarass yourself in the process. quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy This is very strange. I have posted approval of some of Obama's actions and strong disapproval of others. I have stated that there are things I like about his leadership style and things I do not like at all. You on the other hand, have posted nothing but standard party-line denunciations of everything he has done or said since his election. Yet I am blindly ideological? I suppose that your definition of blindly ideological means "anyone who doesn't agree with me." All it takes is one snippet to prove how blindly ideological you are...that he doesnt govern far enough to the left. Case closed. As far as my positions, it is impossible to be "standard party line" since there is no party that represents both fiscal conservatives and social moderates. That's right....I don't think he governs far enough to the left. If he did, he would have gone for single payer helthcare as is working all over the world. He would have pulled our troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan by now. Little leftie things like that. Of course, your right wing views are "well thought out and sensible"...my opposing views are "blind ideology". Let's face it, WD....you are the one who doesn't consider any other view than your own to be worth thinking about and it shows in your every posting.

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Go Get Him, Al! (12/19/2009 4:14:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales quote: All it takes is one snippet to prove how blindly ideological you are...that he doesnt govern far enough to the left. Case closed. As far as my positions, it is impossible to be "standard party line" since there is no party that represents both fiscal conservatives and social moderates. quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy quote: ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales quote: No, what is sad is that you are so blindly ideological that you deny the obvious and embarass yourself in the process. quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy This is very strange. I have posted approval of some of Obama's actions and strong disapproval of others. I have stated that there are things I like about his leadership style and things I do not like at all. You on the other hand, have posted nothing but standard party-line denunciations of everything he has done or said since his election. Yet I am blindly ideological? I suppose that your definition of blindly ideological means "anyone who doesn't agree with me." All it takes is one snippet to prove how blindly ideological you are...that he doesnt govern far enough to the left. Case closed. As far as my positions, it is impossible to be "standard party line" since there is no party that represents both fiscal conservatives and social moderates. That's right....I don't think he governs far enough to the left. If he did, he would have gone for single payer helthcare as is working all over the world. He would have pulled our troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan by now. Little leftie things like that. Of course, your right wing views are "well thought out and sensible"...my opposing views are "blind ideology". Let's face it, WD....you are the one who doesn't consider any other view than your own to be worth thinking about and it shows in your every posting. No, what my posts show is that I actually HAVE thought about my positions, and they are consistent and defensible. Unlike claims that "single payer health care" isnt socialism, or claims that there are no just wars.

SpinnerofTales -> RE: Go Get Him, Al! (12/19/2009 4:41:56 PM)
quote: No, what my posts show is that I actually HAVE thought about my positions, and they are consistent and defensible. Unlike claims that "single payer health care" isnt socialism, or claims that there are no just wars. ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy Well, what I have seen is that you find it difficult to differentiate between socialism and communism. I have no problem with our disagreements. I feel that single payer is no more socialism than social security, medicare and the minimum wage law. I also have said, in many posts, that pure capitalism isn't working in this country nor would pure socialism. That any "pure" system is giving simple solutions to complex problems. You feel otherwise. That is fine. What I object to is your assumption that because I disagree with you I have spent less time thinking, investigating and learning the issues than you have. I object to your assumption that anyone who doesn't believe as you do is foggy headed and incapable of doing well in a business environment. In short, I object to your constant attitude that anyone who doesn't agree with you is your inferior in a host of ways. As for just wars, I agree they exist. Iraq wasn't one of them. Afghanistan is a simpler matter: It's not a war we can win. I am against fighting wars without good cause, but I am even more against fighting them and coming out losers. That isn't blind ideology either.

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Go Get Him, Al! (12/19/2009 4:58:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales quote: No, what my posts show is that I actually HAVE thought about my positions, and they are consistent and defensible. Unlike claims that "single payer health care" isnt socialism, or claims that there are no just wars. ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy Well, what I have seen is that you find it difficult to differentiate between socialism and communism. I have no problem with our disagreements. I feel that single payer is no more socialism than social security, medicare and the minimum wage law. I also have said, in many posts, that pure capitalism isn't working in this country nor would pure socialism. That any "pure" system is giving simple solutions to complex problems. You feel otherwise. That is fine. What I object to is your assumption that because I disagree with you I have spent less time thinking, investigating and learning the issues than you have. I object to your assumption that anyone who doesn't believe as you do is foggy headed and incapable of doing well in a business environment. In short, I object to your constant attitude that anyone who doesn't agree with you is your inferior in a host of ways. As for just wars, I agree they exist. Iraq wasn't one of them. Afghanistan is a simpler matter: It's not a war we can win. I am against fighting wars without good cause, but I am even more against fighting them and coming out losers. That isn't blind ideology either. I have no problem differentiating them. Socialism is economic policy, communism is political policy that tyranically imposes socialism. So what? you are right..single payer is no more socialism than those 3...they are ALL socialism. I dont feel otherwise on your next statment, we agree that no pure "ism" can work, I have never promoted pure capitalism (ie anarcho-capitalism). I have never assumed or stated that you havent thought about the issues etc. What I do believe is that despite thinking about them you have no rational basis to support them. As far as "foggy headed businessmen" goes, I have built 3 businesses and sold two of them. I know what it takes to make a successful business that is both profitable and fair to its employees. Your liberal positions are totally inconsistent with the ability to do that. Therefore if you were a businessman, you would certainly be a foggy headed one. My attitude rarely has anything to do with inferiority of intellect or morality. It has everything to do with intellectual dishonesty as exhibited constantly by RML and the dearly departed DomKen. We disagree on Iraq and agree on Afghanistan (at least that it isnt winnable in the current environment), which is why Obama is wrong on both. There is an alternative to fighting a just war and coming out losers. Fight to win and we will win. We no longer have the moral clarity to do that.

Marc2b -> RE: Go Get Him, Al! (12/19/2009 9:28:01 PM)
quote: Wasn't it you who was getting off on the idea of giving one to Palin ? Talk about eeeewwww (sorry if it wasn't you rofl). No, that wasn't me. I have, in the past, stated that I would fuck Ann Colter - but only if I can do her doggie style and only if I get to duct tape her mouth shut. On the other hand... if the same conditions apply... yeah, I might do Palin.

SpinnerofTales -> RE: Go Get Him, Al! (12/19/2009 9:50:27 PM)
quote: I know what it takes to make a successful business that is both profitable and fair to its employees. Your liberal positions are totally inconsistent with the ability to do that. Therefore if you were a businessman, you would certainly be a foggy headed one. ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy Of course, WD....again, keep banging that drum. Anyone who has liberal ideas certainly is too fuzzy headed to make a go of it in the business world. Just look at failures like George Soros and Bill Gates. Tell me about how they prove that us fuzzy headed democrats can't make an honest dollar. Let me know about the "government handouts" they're waiting for. Come on, WD...I love a good work of fiction. And you tell them so well.

ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Go Get Him, Al! (12/19/2009 9:56:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Marc2b quote: Wasn't it you who was getting off on the idea of giving one to Palin ? Talk about eeeewwww (sorry if it wasn't you rofl). No, that wasn't me. I have, in the past, stated that I would fuck Ann Colter - but only if I can do her doggie style and only if I get to duct tape her mouth shut. On the other hand... if the same conditions apply... yeah, I might do Palin. Yeah, but in this hypothetical scenario... you'd still know it was Ann Coulter, right? You'd still know that was Sarah Palin, wouldn't you? Or would they be wearing Al Franken masks?

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Go Get Him, Al! (12/20/2009 12:05:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales quote: I know what it takes to make a successful business that is both profitable and fair to its employees. Your liberal positions are totally inconsistent with the ability to do that. Therefore if you were a businessman, you would certainly be a foggy headed one. ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy Of course, WD....again, keep banging that drum. Anyone who has liberal ideas certainly is too fuzzy headed to make a go of it in the business world. Just look at failures like George Soros and Bill Gates. Tell me about how they prove that us fuzzy headed democrats can't make an honest dollar. Let me know about the "government handouts" they're waiting for. Come on, WD...I love a good work of fiction. And you tell them so well. Microsoft didnt build their business using liberal philosophies. They used the tried and true methods of capitalism, in fact some of the dirtier aspects of capitalism. Did you ever read the story of Microsoft? Same with Warren Buffet, who built his fortune buying and running businesses, not speculating in the market for companies where he didnt own at least a significant voice on the Board. Soros I have no clue. Based on his personal integrity I would guess that he stole and bribed his way to his fortune...so yeah....that is an example of building a business the liberal way. [sm=banana.gif]

mnottertail -> RE: Go Get Him, Al! (12/20/2009 8:19:01 AM)
So, you argue against yourself, apparently you have not read the story of Microsoft, although you lie and pretend you did, even as you exhort the great unwashed with your unprovable (and frankly impudent and imbicilic) claims to financial and political wizardry. Stealing and bribery was rife in the inception of microsoft, and continues to this day, so apparently, that is the conservative business plan, along the lines of such pinko neo-cons as: Carnegie, Rockefeller, Morgan, et al.

SpinnerofTales -> RE: Go Get Him, Al! (12/20/2009 8:22:37 AM)
quote: Microsoft didnt build their business using liberal philosophies. They used the tried and true methods of capitalism, in fact some of the dirtier aspects of capitalism. Did you ever read the story of Microsoft? Same with Warren Buffet, who built his fortune buying and running businesses, not speculating in the market for companies where he didnt own at least a significant voice on the Board. Soros I have no clue. Based on his personal integrity I would guess that he stole and bribed his way to his fortune...so yeah....that is an example of building a business the liberal way. ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy [sm=banana.gif] I see. So when liberals do well in business, it's because they are acting like conservatives. It couldn't be that one would have a progressive political view and actually do business effectively in the world because they are "fuzzy headed". In fact, you're so sure of that that if one does well, it's because of bribery and other illegal methods. Not that you have any proof, but hell, they're not conservatives and only conservatives are "clear headed" Yeah, I'd say the dancing banana pretty much sums up that philosophy. Both are funny and neither one has any basis in reality.

OCDsCPL -> RE: Go Get Him, Al! (12/20/2009 9:22:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales quote: Microsoft didnt build their business using liberal philosophies. They used the tried and true methods of capitalism, in fact some of the dirtier aspects of capitalism. Did you ever read the story of Microsoft? Same with Warren Buffet, who built his fortune buying and running businesses, not speculating in the market for companies where he didnt own at least a significant voice on the Board. Soros I have no clue. Based on his personal integrity I would guess that he stole and bribed his way to his fortune...so yeah....that is an example of building a business the liberal way. ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy [sm=banana.gif] I see. So when liberals do well in business, it's because they are acting like conservatives. exactly It couldn't be that one would have a progressive political view and actually do business effectively in the world because they are "fuzzy headed". no, it couldnt...with one exception....if their product is something that can be sold to fuzzy headed liberals as being "green" or "organic" or "all natural" In fact, you're so sure of that that if one does well, it's because of bribery and other illegal methods. Never said that Not that you have any proof, but hell, they're not conservatives and only conservatives are "clear headed" I am talking about the principles of running a business, not how they may vote or talk politically. When capitalism works for them, its fine. If it doesnt improve their business but punishes someone else, all is good. Yeah, I'd say the dancing banana pretty much sums up that philosophy. Both are funny and neither one has any basis in reality. come back after youve built a multi-million dollar business. till then, you dont have clue how to do it. Like the vast majority of the administration

mnottertail -> RE: Go Get Him, Al! (12/20/2009 9:28:30 AM)
Well, name me one administration beyond Kennedy's where there were a good number of folks that had either made or ran from the ground up real competitive businesses in any number. Further, if microsoft is an example of the conservative method of creating business, all conservatives should be forthwith taken out and shot as a drain on our economy and productivity. We do not need those sorts of businesses and many republicans (LOL, but obviously not conservatives) from presidents to congress were the authors and champions of anti-trust and anti robber barons legislation. Ah, I long for the halcyon days of yore when words and actions meant something. Ron

rulemylife -> RE: Go Get Him, Al! (12/20/2009 1:17:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy My attitude rarely has anything to do with inferiority of intellect or morality. It has everything to do with intellectual dishonesty as exhibited constantly by RML and the dearly departed DomKen. Is intellectual dishonesty anything like being a troll? Which is your other attack mode because you never really have anything to say other than disparaging other posters. When I post I back my posts with citations, which I rarely see you do. So tell me Willbeur, what are you questioning about my honesty and I will be happy to provide the best proof I can find.

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Go Get Him, Al! (12/20/2009 1:32:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife So tell me Willbeur, what are you questioning about my honesty and I will be happy to provide the best proof I can find. I have, every time you lie about what Ive said, present false dichotomies and strawmen. You conveniently ignore them at the time, and then whine like a little girl when someone doesnt want to take the time to rehash an entire thread to point out your fallacies. And it isnt just me. There are very few threads that you post in more than 2 or 3 times where someone doesnt call you on your bullshit.

Lorr47 -> RE: Go Get Him, Al! (12/20/2009 1:42:40 PM)
quote: No, what my posts show is that I actually HAVE thought about my positions, and they are consistent and defensible. Sorry, I missed the one you claim was consistent and defensible.

Marc2b -> RE: Go Get Him, Al! (12/20/2009 7:12:50 PM)
quote: Yeah, but in this hypothetical scenario... you'd still know it was Ann Coulter, right? You'd still know that was Sarah Palin, wouldn't you? Or would they be wearing Al Franken masks? Yeah I'd know it was them. Why do you think I want to duct tape their mouths shut? [:D] If they are going to wear Al Franken masks then they better bring some Viagara, 'cause I can't think of a bigger turn off.

InvisibleBlack -> RE: Go Get Him, Al! (12/20/2009 7:17:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda quote: ORIGINAL: Marc2b quote: Wasn't it you who was getting off on the idea of giving one to Palin ? Talk about eeeewwww (sorry if it wasn't you rofl). No, that wasn't me. I have, in the past, stated that I would fuck Ann Colter - but only if I can do her doggie style and only if I get to duct tape her mouth shut. On the other hand... if the same conditions apply... yeah, I might do Palin. Yeah, but in this hypothetical scenario... you'd still know it was Ann Coulter, right? You'd still know that was Sarah Palin, wouldn't you? Or would they be wearing Al Franken masks? I think you may have created an entirely new fetish.

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