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RE: God, Smite This Health Care Bill! - 12/21/2009 10:14:46 AM

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He used to also pray that his kids would not find out he was screwing around on their mother. Not sure how God would have processed that prayer. But then again he was a liberal, so I guess it's ok.

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RE: God, Smite This Health Care Bill! - 12/21/2009 10:24:19 AM

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Jeremiah Wright is Barack Obama's spiritual advisor of over twenty years. According to CNN,

You know, when I still attended church regularly there were a number of priests I considered complete assholes.

Yet I still attended the church.

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RE: God, Smite This Health Care Bill! - 12/21/2009 10:26:30 AM

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There are a number of priests and ministers I respect.

I still don't go.

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RE: God, Smite This Health Care Bill! - 12/21/2009 10:27:56 AM

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Jeremiah Wright is Barack Obama's spiritual advisor of over twenty years. According to CNN,

You know, when I still attended church regularly there were a number of priests I considered complete assholes.

Yet I still attended the church.

If you considered the priest who delivered the sermon every week to be an asshole and you sat there for 20 years, then the priest wasnt the only asshole in the church.

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RE: God, Smite This Health Care Bill! - 12/21/2009 10:49:08 AM

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Edited to add: Here's a link to the full video, if you can stomach it -

Not Their Brothers' Keepers

No, I only made it through the first three minutes before I became nauseous.

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RE: God, Smite This Health Care Bill! - 12/21/2009 10:51:03 AM

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If you considered the priest who delivered the sermon every week to be an asshole and you sat there for 20 years, then the priest wasnt the only asshole in the church.

People attend churches for many different reasons.

Sometimes even a belief in a God is not among them.

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RE: God, Smite This Health Care Bill! - 12/21/2009 10:55:31 AM

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There are a number of priests and ministers I respect.

I still don't go.

And there also were a number I respected.

I viewed it more as a community gathering and a way to socialize.

The reason I stopped going was it felt dishonest to me to try to pretend I still believed.

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RE: God, Smite This Health Care Bill! - 12/21/2009 11:08:43 AM

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I am always surprised to see the left criticize religion when their beliefs fall in line with, if not the material, the 'spirit' of the sermons coming from the pulpit.

"Delivering his festive lesson, Father Jones told the congregation:

'My advice, as a Christian priest, is to shoplift. I do not offer such advice because I think that stealing is a good thing, or because I think it is harmless, for it is neither.'I would ask that they do not steal from small family businesses, but from large national businesses, knowing that the costs are ultimately passed on to the rest of us in the form of higher prices."

Wonder what would happen if one of the faithful took his advice and did some 'lifting' from the collection plate as it was passed around?

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RE: God, Smite This Health Care Bill! - 12/21/2009 11:08:49 AM

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RE: God, Smite This Health Care Bill! - 12/21/2009 11:09:03 AM

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYgOlqinH7A

Great!

Now I'm going to be hearing that running through my head for the next week.

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RE: God, Smite This Health Care Bill! - 12/21/2009 11:10:48 AM

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rule, earworms may be covered under the plan, check it out.

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RE: God, Smite This Health Care Bill! - 12/21/2009 11:12:48 AM

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

I am always surprised to see the left criticize religion when their beliefs fall in line with, if not the material, the 'spirit' of the sermons coming from the pulpit.

"Delivering his festive lesson, Father Jones told the congregation:

'My advice, as a Christian priest, is to shoplift. I do not offer such advice because I think that stealing is a good thing, or because I think it is harmless, for it is neither.'I would ask that they do not steal from small family businesses, but from large national businesses, knowing that the costs are ultimately passed on to the rest of us in the form of higher prices."

Wonder what would happen if one of the faithful took his advice and did some 'lifting' from the collection plate as it was passed around?

Merc, here is where we definitely part philosophies, the Large National Businesses steal from us, as a matter of course, and we pay higher prices because of it already. Tax and hound the fuckers out of business and break em up. Thats me.

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RE: God, Smite This Health Care Bill! - 12/21/2009 11:13:09 AM

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Wonder what would happen if one of the faithful took his advice and did some 'lifting' from the collection plate as it was passed around?

We actually did that as kids.

I think I can confess it now.

There must be a statute of limitations.

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RE: God, Smite This Health Care Bill! - 12/21/2009 11:22:52 AM

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I am always surprised to see the left criticize religion when their beliefs fall in line with, if not the material, the 'spirit' of the sermons coming from the pulpit.

"Delivering his festive lesson, Father Jones told the congregation:

'My advice, as a Christian priest, is to shoplift. I do not offer such advice because I think that stealing is a good thing, or because I think it is harmless, for it is neither.'I would ask that they do not steal from small family businesses, but from large national businesses, knowing that the costs are ultimately passed on to the rest of us in the form of higher prices."

Wonder what would happen if one of the faithful took his advice and did some 'lifting' from the collection plate as it was passed around?

Merc, here is where we definitely part philosophies, the Large National Businesses steal from us, as a matter of course, and we pay higher prices because of it already. Tax and hound the fuckers out of business and break em up. Thats me.

What you believe is now, at least by this published account, religious dogma! "Shop lifting" or taxation - most businesses and businessmen consider them the same. In both cases your effort and work goes for somebody and/or something that feels entitled and doesn't see the necessity to earn based upon their own abilities and needs to look to another source of funds for their existence.

Are you feeling 'born again'?

Merry Christmas!

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RE: God, Smite This Health Care Bill! - 12/21/2009 11:37:54 AM

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Merc,

Glaedelig Jule to you and yours. Nah, I aint down with the published accounts, and wasnt born the first time, I was shit out on a stump and hatched in the sun.

These are my personal observations in the matter, before the article, and I see no similarities in the sorts of businesses us uns run and the stock worshipping corporations that are LARGE business.

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RE: God, Smite This Health Care Bill! - 12/21/2009 11:39:37 AM

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Ron,

I'm surprised. Merc's just nuts, mischaracterizing extreme views as characteristic and gleefully attacking anything other than his equally dogmatically cherished positions as "religion," his replacement for cogent arguments. But you are far smarter than that--at least usually.

I've certainly my far share of criticism of large business--some, not all. But advocating anything that strips them of cash is just a chaotic, knee-jerk response that ignores any causal relation. It's no way to solve anything, and certainly addresses none of the actual issues. It's just a teenage-type "hey look at me aren't I cool" pathetic pass at nothing, whether from you or anyone else.

OK...who's next on the soapbox?

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RE: God, Smite This Health Care Bill! - 12/21/2009 12:12:30 PM

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Ron,
I'm surprised. Merc's just nuts,
OK...who's next on the soapbox?

Now you are not only focusing on me - but also on my nuts! Yet another wonderful display of the logic you employ for your positions. "Merc's just nuts..." - I like that! As long as you think I'm nuts - it means you don't have an argument and you need to rationalize some other reason for not having an answer.

What else has been "mis-characterized"? Not in your opinion - but in fact? Sticking to the OP - Health Care.

Universal Coverage - NO
Low Cost - NO
Free - NO

Not to miss the best portion of this great Senate triumph the cessation of Nebraska from the USA. As an independent State - they don't have to participate like every other State in the State portion of the Medicaid co-pay. I can't wait to see how this new Constitutional amendment (must have been sleeping during the debate) is employed when say - NJ doesn't want to fund and is excluded in consideration of their vote for the next special interest entitlement program.

It requires a faith based position anytime the government is pointed to as a solution; never more than in this case. The good pastor only had the misfortune of being recorded when he said out loud what many belief. Seeing you back-peddle from it, criticizing now "some, not all" large business; and alluding to any action to the goal that puts health insurance companies out of business, or curtailing industry and manufacturing businesses to follow the religious belief in global warming, and its second coming - CO2, don't represent "chaotic, knee-jerk" responses? Other than the growth industry that sucks resources from the people - government, what large business and at what profit margin, fits your non chaotic, knee-jerk, paradigm?

However, you have to get me out of your thoughts MM. The only thing separating your positions from any of mine are facts; can't help that - but as always - I appreciate your thoughts and your faith based beliefs.

Too bad you hate hearing any truth but your own. Your faith is amazing! Go with your gods! May all your 'isms' benefit from entitlement tax dollars!

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RE: God, Smite This Health Care Bill! - 12/21/2009 12:19:42 PM

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Maybe I'm just obtuse and someone will explain this to me. I watched the clip. I read the quote. Personally I lean far closer to heathen than I do to any sort of religious person. Having said all that I don't see anything objectionable about the clip. It's a group of people in a prayer meeting. Is this another one of those tired "separation or church and state" threads?

I see and hear not a thing wrong with what's going on in the video.

I quickly glanced through some of the anti-religious bigots comments in the thread. If I have the time, patience, and inclination, I'll address a few of those later.

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RE: God, Smite This Health Care Bill! - 12/21/2009 12:25:58 PM

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I'll take it for a minute. Thanks for the invitation, Tim.

This was a really good point and I'm really surprised nobody made a comment on it.

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I don't understand how these Christians are so opposed to helping their fellow man. Seems like Christians should be all for the health care bill even if we cannot afford it. Even if it costs them every cent they have aren't they the ones who should be leading the charge to help the poor?

This is kind of what I've been saying all along on the matter of the health care bill.
If people honestly wanted to help those who don't have the resources to take care of their medical needs, they would have voluntarily done so by opening up their pocketbooks and their wallets without the government stepping in. Whether their motivation for doing so was their belief in God, helping their fellow man or any other such thing, it doesn't matter. Things like charitable contributions of money and/or time could have made a huge difference. You can't blame the insurance companies for all of it. Not when John Q. Public refused to be part of the solution all along.

As for the public prayer display, I think that's exactly what it was. Specifically set up to be publicized and broadcasted. I have no issue with people's beliefs in God, what they pray about or any other such thing. This was specifically done to promote an agenda. I didn't find it to be the most pleasant of tactics.

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RE: God, Smite This Health Care Bill! - 12/21/2009 12:59:29 PM

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Personally, I'm surprised that although the religious merits of this Bill are subject to debate; why isn't any attention given to the more obvious race based tax? Too much lobbying from the special interests involved with elective plastic surgery for that to pass - besides Nancy Pelosi alone would have incurred a $1 Million tax Bill if Botox, and face lifts, were going to help fund the health care Bill. So sometime in between Nebraska seceding from the Union, they came up with a white person's tax on tanning bed usage.
Instead, the Senate health bill would impose a 10 percent tax on the use of tanning beds.

Now although this tax doesn't affect me, I feel compelled to protest funding becoming the burden of the melanin impaired such as my lovely slave beth. Believing and enjoying the natural beauty in people, I don't have her tan; however many people, to the best of my knowledge the majority of them 'white', use tanning beds both for medical reasons (eczema treatment for one) as well as cosmetic reasons at least as legitimate as Nancy Pelosi's Botox.

Grated tanning beds are not a industry or activity which has many advocates, one of the reasons it was picked to tax no doubt, - however what's next? Is taxing mayonnaise and white bread going to get consideration in the Senate / House conference committee?

A 10% tax on tanning beds. No big deal right? In advocating for entitlements, or 'good intent' freedom limiting laws and regulations, it's always good to keep Niemöller in mind.

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