quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

No, not a cut. I mean literally.

That's why there's got to be a "conservative" version of everything, from Wikipedia to the Bible. Conservatives have for the past few decades moved from an intellectual perspective to blanket dogma. All else is "liberal."

When's the last time conservatives talked about moderates? Only to say they are rhinos--in name only...liberals.

I do mean literally--to conservatives, if it's not conservative, it's liberal.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity




Thats a lot of hand wringing and drama over my using the words "liberal newspaper" in a purely descriptive sense MM.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

No, not a cut. I mean literally.

That's why there's got to be a "conservative" version of everything, from Wikipedia to the Bible. Conservatives have for the past few decades moved from an intellectual perspective to blanket dogma. All else is "liberal."

When's the last time conservatives talked about moderates? Only to say they are rhinos--in name only...liberals.

I do mean literally--to conservatives, if it's not conservative, it's liberal.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
You're an idiot. Who's talking about newspapers?

You made a comment. I clarified. You wandered off into wherever you go when you do what you do.

Have fun there.

quote:

ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda

quote:

ORIGINAL: breatheasone

~~FR~~
OP, is your objection that elected officials publicly prayed for their Country? i'm just not sure if your object to this is because its Christian? Because its publicly religious(not JUST Christian)?  Because it involves faith? i'd just like to understand what offended you.

First of all, let's be clear who we're talking about here. These are the same people who, a couple of hundred years ago, were burning women at the stake for having too many cats. The exact same people. The only reason they're not still doing it is because those fucking libruls have gone and passed a law against burning people at the stake, so they've grudgingly adopted a different methodology. For the time being, anyway.

They're not praying for their country, they're praying against their fellow human beings. It's not a question of faith - it's a question of basic human values, and these people have none. 2 million of their fellow citizens -  the people these legislators were elected to represent - are driven to bankruptcy every year by crushing medical costs, and tens of thousands each year die because they can not afford adequate health care. And the ignorant savages in this video are praying to their god to protect the system that allows this, so that insurance companies can continue to make 200 billion dollars a year in profits and the CEOs of those companies can continue to make an annual mean salary of over $12 million. That's the problem I have with them.

Let me ask you something - you're a person of deep religious conviction (which I respect greatly, believe it or not.) How do you reconcile that? How do you reconcile that much human suffering for the sake of corporate profits greater than the gross national product of most countries? Where is the christianity in that? Because that is exactly what these people are praying for. How does that fit what you consider to be christian principles? I'm genuinely curious.

quote:

ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda
I'll take it a step further - to most conservatives, if you're not even the right kind of conservative, you're too liberal.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lorsan

First of all not being a christian, I can't answer for them.  And I suspect that their aversion to this bill (or set if you include the house version) has more to do with parties than true deeply held beliefs.  Having said all that, who are you to question someones morality if they simply oppose this particular healthcare "reform" legislation?  Who is to say that they don't believe that this may hurt more than help those that need it most?  I, for one, am deeply opposed to both versions for various reasons including that it won't do enough to cover everyone and insurance rates for many will be going up instead of down.  Including cuts to Medicare which many elderly depend on dearly.  What about the morality of that?  Just because a bill says "reform" doesn't make it good.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

I do mean literally--to conservatives, if it's not conservative, it's liberal.

quote:

ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lorsan

First of all not being a christian, I can't answer for them.  And I suspect that their aversion to this bill (or set if you include the house version) has more to do with parties than true deeply held beliefs.  Having said all that, who are you to question someones morality if they simply oppose this particular healthcare "reform" legislation?  Who is to say that they don't believe that this may hurt more than help those that need it most?  I, for one, am deeply opposed to both versions for various reasons including that it won't do enough to cover everyone and insurance rates for many will be going up instead of down.  Including cuts to Medicare which many elderly depend on dearly.  What about the morality of that?  Just because a bill says "reform" doesn't make it good.

Oops. Sorry. Missed this one.

First of all, I should make clear that I'm pretty much in agreement with you as far as this bill is concerned. The reason I question their character is because I'm judging them in a larger context than that one video and that one incident. The republicans have fought every aspect of health care reform right from square one, forcing the dems to strip out almost everything that would have made it a good and effective bill, offering absolutely no sincere alternative proposals or constructive involvement, making no attempt whatsoever to compromise or contribute, and some of them have openly admitted they were doing it because they felt that the best way to cripple the Obama presidency was to defeat health care. It's not simply a question of them opposing this bill - they have fought tooth and nail to prevent any health care reform at all, or to at least damage it to the point where it causes real harm to tens of millions of innocent citizens, and for no other reason than party ideology.

That's evil. That's corrupt. That's nothing short of a crime against humanity and a betrayal of both their country and their vows of office, and that's why I question their morality. This video is just a snapshot of one brief moment in their year-long fight to strengthen their party by harming the people who elected them, and their piously beseeching their "god" to help them in that cause is sickening to me.

quote:

ORIGINAL: breatheasone
The blanket, false, and down right ridiculousness of just what is highlighted is extraordinary, and speaks so loudly for itself that just highlighting them is enough. i won't even bother to comment on the 2nd paragraph. All i can say is just WOW. As conservative as i am...i have NEVER, and COULD never, bring myself to, in good conscience, condemn ALL liberals. i am just happy there are decent, and fair minded folks out there of ALL parties.

quote:

ORIGINAL: thornhappy

quote:

ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda
I'll take it a step further - to most conservatives, if you're not even the right kind of conservative, you're too liberal.

I've seen this in religion, too.  If you weren't the right kind of Christian, you weren't a real Christian.  In this case, it was a few fundamentalists commenting on how there were hardly any real Christians at work, because they didn't believe the exact same things as the fundamentalists.

Amazing, the things you hear while sitting in a bathroom stall, pondering life.

quote:

Supporters of the weak Senate bill say "just pass it -- any bill is better than no bill." I strongly disagree -- a conference report is unlikely to sufficiently bridge the gap between these two very different bills. It's time that we draw the line on this weak bill and ask the Senate to go back to the drawing board. The American people deserve at least that.

quote:

ORIGINAL: breatheasone

quote:

ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda

First of all, I should make clear that I'm pretty much in agreement with you as far as this bill is concerned. The reason I question their character is because I'm judging them in a larger context than that one video and that one incident. The republicans have fought every aspect of health care reform right from square one, forcing the dems to strip out almost everything that would have made it a good and effective bill, offering absolutely no sincere alternative proposals or constructive involvement, making no attempt whatsoever to compromise or contribute, and some of them have openly admitted they were doing it because they felt that the best way to cripple the Obama presidency was to defeat health care. It's not simply a question of them opposing this bill - they have fought tooth and nail to prevent any health care reform at all, or to at least damage it to the point where it causes real harm to tens of millions of innocent citizens, and for no other reason than party ideology.

That's evil. That's corrupt. That's nothing short of a crime against humanity and a betrayal of both their country and their vows of office, and that's why I question their morality. This video is just a snapshot of one brief moment in their year-long fight to strengthen their party by harming the people who elected them, and their piously beseeching their "god" to help them in that cause is sickening to me.

The blanket, false, and down right ridiculousness of just what is highlighted is extraordinary, and speaks so loudly for itself that just highlighting them is enough. i won't even bother to comment on the 2nd paragraph. All i can say is just WOW. As conservative as i am...i have NEVER, and COULD never, bring myself to, in good conscience, condemn ALL liberals. i am just happy there are decent, and fair minded folks out there of ALL parties.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity


Don't get too worked up, its only an Internet chat board.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Politesub53
Quite ironic given your habit of firing abusive emails at people who disagree with you.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity


Oh, for gods sake grow up. I told you that you were rude in an email two years ago and you're still crying over it? If you're still having issues after this much time, see a shrink.