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RE: Who Are The 3 Billion Individuals, Who Are To Be El... - 12/21/2009 4:32:31 AM

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There absolutely is an effort for eugenics.

Pay attention.

I don't listen to fiction unless it's on a movie screen, sorry. When you twist a statement by a researcher to try and make smoking-gun evidence of....whatever, you shoot yourself and your argument in the foot before you even get started.

So I'll say again --

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RE: Who Are The 3 Billion Individuals, Who Are To Be El... - 12/21/2009 5:59:47 AM

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Old news, I heard about it years ago. It was used as a negastive example by groups with much disdain for aristocracy, and while they might be right, I have given it a second thought.

Can you imagine what the world would be like with only 2 billion people ? It would be near utopian for sure. We would have plenty of space, food and other resources. The land and water would stay relatively clean even though some may pollute. It would be minor compared to now.

I would like to see a drastic reduction in the population, but am not vying for the job of determining who goes and who stays. Let nature handle it.

T

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RE: Who Are The 3 Billion Individuals, Who Are To Be El... - 12/21/2009 6:21:28 AM

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
Old news, I heard about it years ago. It was used as a negastive example by groups with much disdain for aristocracy, and while they might be right, I have given it a second thought.

Can you imagine what the world would be like with only 2 billion people ? It would be near utopian for sure. We would have plenty of space, food and other resources. The land and water would stay relatively clean even though some may pollute. It would be minor compared to now.

I would like to see a drastic reduction in the population, but am not vying for the job of determining who goes and who stays. Let nature handle it.

So I guess war ain't all bad. Just need a big enough one to get the job done.

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RE: Who Are The 3 Billion Individuals, Who Are To Be El... - 12/21/2009 7:36:54 AM

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Well, the choices are before us - many billions can either
a) never be born at all (though there are serious cultural issues to contraception and the empowerment of women that requires), or
b) be born and die slowly from lack of food or water (as happens often now in many places at times), or
c) be killed in conflicts chasing control of food or water (as will become more frequent), or
d) genocide

(d) is out of the question, on our parts at least; we simply do not have the balls even if it could be argued as a good idea.
(a) may have some limited effect, but given the barriers to its success it is not reliable enough

This leaves us (b) and its consequence over time (c). Now with our technology we ought to be able to support every mouth on the planet and plenty more in addition, but there must come a point with growing population at which we reach the limit of this ability. To succeed this would require right now or in the very near future a substantial reduction in the consumption of food and water for we living western lifestyles such that others around the world might have a better allocation.

Therefore such "fairer" allocation will never happen; it would be a commercial, economic, political and logistical nightmare to accomplish and very few amongst us are going to volunteer to give up their current consumption in order to eventually partake of the one bowl of rice a day and one shower a week that would be their fair due such that everyone else might have the same as population grows.

Consequently we can expect (c) as the final means by which the solution will arise, alongside major population migrations by various means to areas where resources are more plentiful and consumed according to status rather than need. Our choice then must include a methodology which includes in some aspect (d) since it is our way in which any such migration may be expected.

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RE: Who Are The 3 Billion Individuals, Who Are To Be El... - 12/21/2009 7:46:04 AM

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ORIGINAL: GYPSYMAMBO

I f a 100 witches in WW2 COUld TURN BACK German planes..
If 20 ppl in a lab in Korea could change the temp of water thru focus..
If 1 healer can discharge cancer from several patients..
IF a mass healing-focus at Lake Erie changed its chemical pollution compounds..

etc etc etc etc etc............

THEN imagine what another 2.5 billion who stop whining and perpetuating fukkin negativity can do...?/

Since none of those have any basis in reality, imagaine what another 2.5 billion who believed such tripe could do.

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RE: Who Are The 3 Billion Individuals, Who Are To Be El... - 12/21/2009 9:58:14 AM

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Love you, pahunk, but I would start with Lyndon Larouche and that asshole Alex Jones.

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RE: Who Are The 3 Billion Individuals, Who Are To Be El... - 12/21/2009 10:19:23 AM

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As I said it has been prohesized..I did not spend years in several cultures hearing about the goodness possible and to come to listen to BS

Oh my.

Just oh my.

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RE: Who Are The 3 Billion Individuals, Who Are To Be El... - 12/21/2009 10:21:55 AM

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Gypsy, when "nothing happens" in 2012 can we get all the holy rollers, new age morons, "rapturists", and anyone else so inclined to STFU for once and for all?
Now that would really be a "positive" thing!

Not how they play the game, popeye.

It will be that too much negative thinking prevented it, so on to the next zooey prophecy.

Been that way for thousands of years. They'll never change--nor learn.

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RE: Who Are The 3 Billion Individuals, Who Are To Be El... - 12/21/2009 10:28:32 AM

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ORIGINAL: GYPSYMAMBO
oh sure
I have my stove that burns any fuel
no debt,, no apaper trail...an off grid cabin..stockpiles...
like I as as told..

Sandwich board?

Regarding the OP: Prevention is better than cure. A target for reduction in population doesn't remove the right of people to exist because they don't yet exist. It's rather similar to the abortion question in that respect. So you can get all high and mighty about it if you like but just count yourself lucky you just happen to have been born in a part of the world where overpopulation doesn't really have any impact on your quality of life.

Also I think people are confusing the issue of compulsory and voluntary reduction any sensible person could think humm perhaps 2-3 mini me's is enough. The timing of the introduction of those mini me's within your life cycle is also critical. High teenage pregnancy rate = even faster population growth this is mathematical and obvious.

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RE: Who Are The 3 Billion Individuals, Who Are To Be El... - 12/21/2009 10:43:54 AM

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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Gypsy, when "nothing happens" in 2012 can we get all the holy rollers, new age morons, "rapturists", and anyone else so inclined to STFU for once and for all?
Now that would really be a "positive" thing!

Not how they play the game, popeye.

It will be that too much negative thinking prevented it, so on to the next zooey prophecy.

Been that way for thousands of years. They'll never change--nor learn.

YOu may categorize me anyway you please...a moron..etc..when in fact
you know nothing about me..just as I would not attack GOR men or women because I KNOW NOTHING of their teachings I would expect the same here...not..

I do not expect some earth shattering..mind blowing..sun dropping..lightning bolt..amazing everyone will see it THING to happen on earth..

I expect ppl to being going about their business with new thoughts and possibilities..I expect new ways of being to be being processed for ppl
I expect solutions to earth problems to be being dealt with or possibly solved in new ways.
I expect things to ALSO be as they are now in many area and parts of the world.
I expect more ppl to conitue to be making choices to live in a manner of respect for self and earth.
I expect MORE OF ALL THE ABOVE...and it is happening now..

I believe in the benevolance of man and woman..and the goodness of most

Have you asked about my prophecy teachings?NO..
You simply JUDGE them as zooey and mindless shit..and lump me in with all the rest.

Do I say this about your GOR teachings? NO..never..
Why??
IF you have positive intent and LIVE for the highest good of all around you then
you are contribuitng to a better world wheather in your home..or community.

YOU do not know me...
YOU do nto know my lfie has been dedicated to the underdog..the homeless..teh battered..the helpless..and that is HOW I make a diffrernce..
YOU do not know that the teachigns I haev been given are
that 1 can make a difference thru ripple effect..

You do not know that the RIPPLE effect has been shown to me by the 2000 students I taught in 20 years who come to me years later and tell me I made a difference and they have passed it on..students who are working on pollution...cancer cures..helping others and tell me it was ME who made a difference..
Young men who come to me 20 years later and whisper.."
Do you remember in GR 4 you told me you loved me..I never forgot it?"

I say all this not to blow my own horn but to
explain MY"prophecy" teachings are simple and come from the CREE..Pueblo..TURK gypsy..wiccin..druidic and SUFi//all of whom I have been honored to be with..
.. SIMPLE teachings for a better future..
very simple...
Be kind...have compassion...FEEL for others..make a difference..
and then what will happen??

more of it..

where as the vile sourness vomitted by some will yield the same return

GM

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RE: Who Are The 3 Billion Individuals, Who Are To Be El... - 12/21/2009 10:47:48 AM

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ORIGINAL: GYPSYMAMBO

YOU do not know me...
YOU do nto know my lfie has been dedicated to the underdog..the homeless..teh battered..the helpless..and that is HOW I make a diffrernce..
YOU do not know that the teachigns I haev been given are
that 1 can make a difference thru ripple effect..

I do know that you reached ignore status faster than anyone other than a truther. Buh bye.

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RE: Who Are The 3 Billion Individuals, Who Are To Be El... - 12/21/2009 10:49:55 AM

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Defensive much?

I've been listening to much the same since the 60s. It's the same crap, repackaged, over and over.

If you want to see yourself in that, your call.

Btw, congratulations on your apparent promotion to "they."

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RE: Who Are The 3 Billion Individuals, Who Are To Be El... - 12/21/2009 2:39:59 PM

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Panda is right, we are way over the carrying capacity of the earth for humans. Survival of the species requires lower population levels over the coming generations. Nothing works to lowe population but restricting the number of children in each generation. Praying for war doesn't work... look at what happened during WWI and WWII... population increased and then we had a 'baby boom'.... If we let disease do it the result will be disaster...We are thinking beings, well some of us, and can lower population by each generation only having one child per couple.

The only way to deal with our environmental problems... GCC, pollution, acid rain, loosing rain forests and species extinction is to lower the number of humans on the earth. Apparently for humans short term profit is more important than long term survival so 'changing our ways' isn't a viable solution... reducing the pressure on the environment by reducing our numbers is our only chance. It is important to retain real genetic variety while doing this because if we don't we will be subject to likely extinction from disease.

Like most real things this is complicated and our best chances of success would lie with our better educated people but I am sure our path will be chosen by politicians instead.

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RE: Who Are The 3 Billion Individuals, Who Are To Be El... - 12/21/2009 3:31:17 PM

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"It is important to retain real genetic variety while doing this because if we don't we will be subject to likely extinction from disease."

Now if I say that they call me a racist.

T

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RE: Who Are The 3 Billion Individuals, Who Are To Be El... - 12/21/2009 3:57:12 PM

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

"It is important to retain real genetic variety while doing this because if we don't we will be subject to likely extinction from disease."

Now if I say that they call me a racist.

T

citing genetic variety makes one a racist? Methinks your head is on backwards.

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RE: Who Are The 3 Billion Individuals, Who Are To Be El... - 12/21/2009 4:10:15 PM

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

. It's the same crap,

"Be kind...make a difference..have compassion" is crap??
ok then

GM

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RE: Who Are The 3 Billion Individuals, Who Are To Be El... - 12/21/2009 4:19:21 PM

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Twist this some more.

wd was right. Bye.

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RE: Who Are The 3 Billion Individuals, Who Are To Be El... - 12/21/2009 4:33:57 PM

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2012 will tho be some type of awareness, there is something to be said about being positive.

Yet- how do they say, trust but verify.   Notice that no matter where your house is a neighbor always has kin that would buy it cheap. That same neighbor- often would take your house from you if they easily could.   So what about people who have a trillion$. What do they have the power to do and would they actually follow thru with it?

Lets suppose there is alot of money to be made off of sick people.   Would those in charge, the ruling class- those worth billions- would they be interested in creating more sick people?

Then there is the logic- well hey- if they are too dumb to figure it out-- they deserve it. We see that in US ghettos= hey those bad people are too dumb to pull themself out- so they deserve to be there.   (insert any condition which results in monetization) and you begin to see a pattern.

Seeing some comments here - is it really that far fetched that the type of plastic we use diminishes sperm rates? How about additives in water that do the same? After all riff raff can not be over breeding and if they are too dumb then that is how the cookie crumbles.

Survival of the fittest is pretty basic.

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RE: Who Are The 3 Billion Individuals, Who Are To Be El... - 12/21/2009 4:39:34 PM

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The genetics I am talking about have nothing to do with race, the 'keys' that lock and unlock cells from invasion by virus and microbes vary among us all, that is what keeps one disease from evolving to being a fatal disease and running through the species. Something as superficial as race and skin color isn't really a part of this diversity.

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RE: Who Are The 3 Billion Individuals, Who Are To Be El... - 12/21/2009 4:42:18 PM

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I think a few of you are too hard on Gypsy.

If you are unclear of her point- just ask her to reword the section which is fuzzy to you. I know her style is a bit abstract- but that does not mean she has no point.

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