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RE: Who Are The 3 Billion Individuals, Who Are To Be El... - 12/21/2009 6:29:34 PM   
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I thought that global warming was taking care of the over population problem. When the oceans rise and we are all flooded out in five years that should do it. Phillip should just call Al Gore.

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RE: Who Are The 3 Billion Individuals, Who Are To Be El... - 12/21/2009 8:13:58 PM   
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I thought that global warming was taking care of the over population problem. When the oceans rise and we are all flooded out in five years that should do it. Phillip should just call Al Gore.


Or call Obama's Director of the Office of Science and Technology Policy, John Holdren. He supports enforced sterilization through the water supply.

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RE: Who Are The 3 Billion Individuals, Who Are To Be El... - 12/21/2009 8:35:17 PM   
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http://scienceblogs.com/bioephemera/2009/07/description_misrepresented_as.php

Another recycled debunked piece of FOX reporting.... from a virtual fountain of it.

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RE: Who Are The 3 Billion Individuals, Who Are To Be El... - 12/21/2009 10:08:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: submittous

http://scienceblogs.com/bioephemera/2009/07/description_misrepresented_as.php

Another recycled debunked piece of FOX reporting.... from a virtual fountain of it.


Interesting that it was a Washington Post report with nary a mention of Fox in it.

Ive seen quotes from the book. They were endorsements made at a time when ZPG was all the rage.

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RE: Who Are The 3 Billion Individuals, Who Are To Be El... - 12/21/2009 10:30:44 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


quote:

ORIGINAL: submittous

http://scienceblogs.com/bioephemera/2009/07/description_misrepresented_as.php

Another recycled debunked piece of FOX reporting.... from a virtual fountain of it.


Interesting that it was a Washington Post report with nary a mention of Fox in it.

Ive seen quotes from the book. They were endorsements made at a time when ZPG was all the rage.


Not debunked.

What do we think cap and trade and health care reform is all about.    (too many useless eaters)

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RE: Who Are The 3 Billion Individuals, Who Are To Be El... - 12/22/2009 12:41:10 AM   
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Look, let the sea rise all it wants, just get Noah out here to build another arc. I'll take six tickets.

Just six, really.

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RE: Who Are The 3 Billion Individuals, Who Are To Be El... - 12/22/2009 4:04:18 AM   
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I was wondering about this apparent rise in sea level and wondered will the rise be gradual, or will it be a torrent, much like what was reported in the Black Sea deluge theory , if it is the former, well, we are humans, we adapt to survive, if the latter, like Noah of the old testament was reported to have done, get building a big boat, or at least scramble for high ground. I suppose it depends on how much ice melts, how much ice is there, if it all melted, how high will sea levels rise, has that calculation been done, and is it real cause for concern, or is it just a hoohar because it will rise and we have not seen that happen before. But, if it is industry the world leaders are thinking about, simply, move it to counter any threat.

Interestingly, the Noah theory, no doubt something did happen to give rise to the stories, but as to engulfing the world, maybe doubtful, maybe even the Black Sea deluge theory was it, but the world was the known world at the time, the area of the medi tera anean, which was in the history we know, the centre of the world. But what caused the sea to rise then to cause the flood, rain it was said in the bible, forty days and forty night, is that possible, and the water dumped, is it enough to raise the world sea level to catastrophic proportions, maybe the mediteranean was a lake then, joined between the modern Gibraltar and Morocco.

Anyways as regards the three billion world population projected growth, well, I am kind of skeptical of, as not one us is able to know the future, and I am very dubious of anything projected via computer modelling, we simply do not know enough variables to create reliable data, quite simply because we don't know everything like some people think they do. Technology in the form of rapid number crunching computers, is in it's relative infancy, we can't suddenly take this new tool as an absolute over the illogical human mind. The world is not a binary black and white, a series of zeros and ones, it tends to work in that computer undefineable quantity, the illogical, things might happem, and again, they might not, perhaps our reliance on logic, is our modern undoing. Binary, is a primary number system, perhaps we need machines that work on a more advanced mathematical system, before we draw any conclusions to possibilities, but nothing can tell the future.

Another thing which occurs, take our  entertainment industry, the moving picture from it's birth, how many disaster movies has there been made, ficticious events, floods, plagues, planet crunching meteors, volcanoes, earthquakes, sea monsters, aliens,instantaneous climatic change etc, where always there is a happy ending despite all odds, the truth, we thrive on these movies, so it may be it has come into our conscious mind that disasters will happen, and if they have not happened yet, they will, they are coming, the entertainment industry, might have unwittigly  educated us to expect the worst, a worst that as children, the scientists of today were like us, brought up on.

Maybe it is Al Gore has also noticed the educational possibilities of movies, how disaster movies have influenced us, and used this educational tool to push an agenda, he himself stands to make on, something tidy for his old age, seeing as his whitehouse career is over. If this suspicion is so, Al Gore strikes me as a very clever man, but it will take other clever men to realise the truth in this matter and there limit the damage to all of us, should a fraud based upon misinformed science take place.





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RE: Who Are The 3 Billion Individuals, Who Are To Be El... - 12/22/2009 7:35:57 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


quote:

ORIGINAL: servantforuse

I thought that global warming was taking care of the over population problem. When the oceans rise and we are all flooded out in five years that should do it. Phillip should just call Al Gore.


Or call Obama's Director of the Office of Science and Technology Policy, John Holdren. He supports enforced sterilization through the water supply.


A rebuttal from scienceprogress.org:
"But wait, you may be wondering: How do I know that the Ehrlichs are right about the their 1977 text, and not the conservatives? Well, because I walked over to the Engineering Library on the Princeton University campus, where I’m located, and got the book. And I can see how one could misread a text this old—from such a different time. But nevertheless, the criticism of Holdren today on this basis is exceedingly thin and stretched. The book is three decades old; Holdren isn’t its first author; it takes a stance against such policies; and neither Holdren nor the Ehrlichs support these policies today, either. Couldn’t we talk about something that’s actually important and contemporary?"

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RE: Who Are The 3 Billion Individuals, Who Are To Be El... - 12/22/2009 7:42:30 AM   
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thorn,

Used to be people could generally agree on the facts at least. Now the facts are the start of the argument.

No one reads anymore. Students are even proud of drifting through classes without doing the reading or getting the books. Commentators tell people what things mean.

It's a scary world.

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RE: Who Are The 3 Billion Individuals, Who Are To Be El... - 12/22/2009 7:47:01 AM   
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give it up thorn.  Both cap and trade and health care reform are policy that are guided by eugenics.

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RE: Who Are The 3 Billion Individuals, Who Are To Be El... - 12/22/2009 7:54:20 AM   
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And all masterminded by a powerless figurehead without any constitutional function or power whatsoever....yeah right! I got a nice bit of land for you in the Everglades

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RE: Who Are The 3 Billion Individuals, Who Are To Be El... - 12/22/2009 8:44:26 AM   
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And all masterminded by a powerless figurehead without any constitutional function or power whatsoever....yeah right! I got a nice bit of land for you in the Everglades


you may want to hold on to that land. After the new ice age induced by attempts to avoid global warming, Toronto will be as dismal as the Yukon.

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RE: Who Are The 3 Billion Individuals, Who Are To Be El... - 12/22/2009 10:20:15 AM   
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I really can't believe that this post has gone to 3 pages and all based on something Prince Philip said. He has said far more entertaining things in the past that would be far more worthy of a lengthy post. As others have said he has no more influence on world events than you or I.

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RE: Who Are The 3 Billion Individuals, Who Are To Be El... - 12/22/2009 10:36:54 AM   
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Susie, these guys will have a pie fight about anything, but all roads lead to climate change, Sarah Palin, Muslims, guns, climate change, Obama, and climate change.
 
You know how Phil got those big ears right?

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RE: Who Are The 3 Billion Individuals, Who Are To Be El... - 12/22/2009 10:38:25 AM   
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You forgot God and abortion .

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RE: Who Are The 3 Billion Individuals, Who Are To Be El... - 12/22/2009 10:42:10 AM   
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Well, at least we've moved past that idiotic "Saul Alinsky" bullshit.

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RE: Who Are The 3 Billion Individuals, Who Are To Be El... - 12/22/2009 10:46:03 AM   
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They'll find something else soon enough, Panda .

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RE: Who Are The 3 Billion Individuals, Who Are To Be El... - 12/22/2009 11:04:46 AM   
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all roads lead to climate change, Sarah Palin, Muslims, guns, climate change, Obama, and climate change.


Notice that?

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RE: Who Are The 3 Billion Individuals, Who Are To Be El... - 12/22/2009 11:05:56 AM   
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They'll find something else soon enough, Panda .


You know one of the things I really miss about summer? My neighbor used to work out in his yard every day listening to Rush Limbaugh on the radio, and I heard it every day. And I always had about 12 to 24 hours notice of what the conservatives in here were going to be chattering about, because I'd hear it on Rush first. Later that day (or the next day at the latest) whatever he'd been bellowing about, these guys would bring in here and repeat it as though they were reading it off of a stone tablet fresh from the mountaintop.  It was amusing, in a pathetic sort of way.


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RE: Who Are The 3 Billion Individuals, Who Are To Be El... - 12/22/2009 11:14:32 AM   
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Well let's see here, if we added Americans to the list we could make it "4 billion" as another billion would starve to death without the food we produce.

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