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The Airline Security System Works; It Really Does! - 12/27/2009 9:30:22 PM   
vincentML


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Status: offline 		Janet Napolitano made this claim of dubious reassurance on the Sunday Talk Shows. Pablum for the masses? Are they screwing with our heads again?

This article points to some significant problems.

From which terminal did this guy Abdulmutallab bring explosives onto the plane bound from Amsterdam to Detroit? Where did he get the explosives? Nigeria? Yemen, Amsterdam? Apparently not Afghanistan. We have too many troops there, so ispso facto we are safe.

Other questions follow.

Should we give up personal privacy for full body scan imaging at airports? Or is that too intrusive?

Why are 30,000 more troops being sent to Afghanistan when there are only about 100 Al Queda members reported there?

Is it safe to fly? How can we make America safe? Is the solution unlikely? Are we doomed to just live with it as an asymetrical little war for generations? My most favorite question....Is Obama at fault?

What are your thoughts?

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RE: The Airline Security System Works; It Really Does! - 12/27/2009 11:59:50 PM   
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Is it safe to fly?

Yes
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How can we make America safe?

You can't
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Is the solution unlikely?

Yes
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Are we doomed to just live with it as an asymetrical little war for generations?

Yes...learn from the Israelis
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My most favorite question....Is Obama at fault?

No


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RE: The Airline Security System Works; It Really Does! - 12/28/2009 5:09:46 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Arpig

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Is the solution unlikely?

Yes
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Are we doomed to just live with it as an asymetrical little war for generations?

Yes...learn from the Israelis



I think you are right on those.

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RE: The Airline Security System Works; It Really Does! - 12/28/2009 6:33:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		Are we again making the mistake of focusing our forces in one place as we did in Iraq? Are we prepared to move on Yeman and then Somalia? "U.S. Widens Terror War to Yemen, a Qaeda Bastion"

"American officials said Yemen could become Al Qaeda’s next operational and training hub, rivaling the tribal areas of Pakistan. Perhaps this time we will limit our responses more wisely to Special Operations.

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RE: The Airline Security System Works; It Really Does! - 12/28/2009 6:47:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm not sure what you want responses to here.  Are we going to talk about airline security or committing our military forces.

The article starts off in one direction and strays into something else. 

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RE: The Airline Security System Works; It Really Does! - 12/28/2009 8:20:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		The Homeland Security provisions were always about one thing--the illusion of safety, the appearance of doing something.

And at great expense. Osama bin Laden's greatest ally was the Bush administration, ensuring 9/11 would be the big economic blow it was hoped to be.

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RE: The Airline Security System Works; It Really Does! - 12/28/2009 8:20:59 AM   
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Put me on the list of people who think security theater is good at warming up the masses for increasingly authoritarian action from the government and pretty much useless at protecting us from terrorists.

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RE: The Airline Security System Works; It Really Does! - 12/28/2009 9:45:40 AM   
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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

I'm not sure what you want responses to here.  Are we going to talk about airline security or committing our military forces.

The article starts off in one direction and strays into something else. 



Both issues are dealt with in the NYT article I linked to and are somewhat related, so take your choice. Wing it.

And i will not deny that I often start off in one direction in real life and then stray. Getting old I think.

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RE: The Airline Security System Works; It Really Does! - 12/28/2009 9:48:40 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Lucienne

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Put me on the list of people who think security theater is good at warming up the masses for increasingly authoritarian action from the government and pretty much useless at protecting us from terrorists.


Might also mention the Authority pressed upon us by fellow wage earners at the Security Gates. If you wish to make your departure on time you dast not have an objection to what is required of you.

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RE: The Airline Security System Works; It Really Does! - 12/28/2009 9:54:58 AM   
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Oops, nevermind.

The secretary of homeland security, Janet Napolitano, said Monday that the thwarted bombing of a Detroit-bound airliner represented a failure of the nation’s aviation security system, not the success she and other administration officials had portrayed in comments over the weekend.

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RE: The Airline Security System Works; It Really Does! - 12/28/2009 10:12:04 AM   
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The Nigerian got on w no passport.  his handler brisked him thru.

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RE: The Airline Security System Works; It Really Does! - 12/28/2009 10:14:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah, when I fly and see the crack troops that surround our perimeter, there doing the work of god at the airport, I sleep the sleep of angels at night, and I am sure you do to.

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RE: The Airline Security System Works; It Really Does! - 12/28/2009 10:14:16 AM   
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RE: The Airline Security System Works; It Really Does! - 12/28/2009 10:15:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		with all the fucked up links you post, surely you can post one for that claim, hunk.

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RE: The Airline Security System Works; It Really Does! - 12/28/2009 10:36:21 AM   
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

with all the fucked up links you post, surely you can post one for that claim, hunk.

I haven't seen any results published that directly link THz radiation to cancer, but that or worse is not so far-fetched.

How Terahertz Waves Tear Apart DNA

A new model of the way the THz waves interact with DNA explains how the damage is done and why evidence has been so hard to gather... although the forces generated are tiny, resonant effects allow THz waves to unzip double-stranded DNA, creating bubbles in the double strand that could significantly interfere with processes such as gene expression and DNA replication. That's a jaw dropping conclusion.

I think you'll find the link acceptable.

K.



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RE: The Airline Security System Works; It Really Does! - 12/28/2009 12:12:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		Awesome and scarry article, K. The results will probably be easy to duplicate.

But then they will search for a "safe" level? Really? Color me skeptical.

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RE: The Airline Security System Works; It Really Does! - 12/28/2009 12:18:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		I just heard on the TV that the last few days passengers have been resticted to their seats for the last hour of the flight. I usually have to pee during that last hour if it is a long flight. Hmmm, I can't pee out the window. Nope. Also, according to the report not allowed to hold anything in your hands. Good grief! Can't even unzip.

I suppose they will next require hands cuffed to the arm rests during the last hour of flight. Good for bondage fetishists. Not too good for those who wish to volunteer to put out fires.

Restrictons have been eased. Now up to the Captain of each flight. Just my luck to get Captain Quigg on my next flight.

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RE: The Airline Security System Works; It Really Does! - 12/28/2009 12:45:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		President Obama said of the bomb; "it's a good thing it didn't go off!" Boy, now that instills confidence in me!
All this govt. buearacracy doesn't do a thing, "boots on the ground" or, "boots in the plane" get the job done and it's always better if they're steel toed boots.
All airlines should be run like El Al runs theirs.
The best defense against hijackers are *pissed off* passengers.
If I were on a plane that was hijacked I would kill the hijacker with my bare hands. Who's going to stop me?

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RE: The Airline Security System Works; It Really Does! - 12/28/2009 12:46:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		well, it was a few more words used to instill the same confidence that 'Bring it On' ultimately husbanded.

LOL

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RE: The Airline Security System Works; It Really Does! - 12/28/2009 1:36:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here is an excellent blog on the event essentially saying that the shoe bomber and the undie bomber (the most recent) show evidence that Al-Quaeda is losing its effectiveness through picking incompetent agents, poor planning, and inept execution. But the writer castigates Homeland Security for overreaction after the fact.

A more telling commentary on our state of mind—a commentary, in truth, on the extent to which we have become inured to threats of terrorism—is the swiftness with which our popular culture has made light of the episode. “Fruit of the Loon,” blared the front page of the New York Daily News, in a play on the name of an underwear brand (owned, it turns out, by Warren Buffett). Twitter and Facebook chat has dwelt on how the inconvenient anatomical location of the bomber’s burns would make his eventual tryst with 72 virgins a forlorn affair. People are asking when the last time it was that a Dutchman tackled a Nigerian outside a soccer field, and making quips about an Islamist “boxer rebellion,” a terrorist “brotherhood of the traveling pants,” a “jock-strap jihad,” and a “new Y-front in the war on terror.”

Of course, there has been a homeland reaction. The Transportation Security Administration went predictably into Pavlovian overdrive, announcing a series of new security measures that would take immediate effect. This is the other, less reassuring, side of the episodic nature of the terrorist threats against us. We seem always to react, never to anticipate—and in this form of hasty reaction, with its flavor of humiliation, and of having been outwitted by a wearer of dangerous underwear (or shoes), there lurk always the seeds of over-reaction. No one can move from his seat for an hour before landing. No electronics. No coats on laps.

Some suggestions are given at the end of the blog by the writer. Good reading I think.

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