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RE: The Airline Security System Works; It Really Does! - 12/28/2009 8:26:17 PM   
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Sure as hell a lot of Frenchmen who dislike us.


Actually, it's my personal experience that there are far more Americans that dislike the French rather than the other way around. The French are too busy loving themselves to bother disliking anyone .

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RE: The Airline Security System Works; It Really Does! - 12/28/2009 8:36:55 PM   
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Nevermind that Nate Silver at 538.com calculated you have about a 1 in 10 million chance of being involved in a terrorist attack


Did he graduate kindergarten? Everybody in the US was involved in a terrorist attack eight years ago.



Depends on your definition of involved. I saw an auto accident on television. To what degree was I "involved?" Not so much.


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RE: The Airline Security System Works; It Really Does! - 12/28/2009 8:40:31 PM   
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Sure as hell a lot of Frenchmen who dislike us.


Actually, it's my personal experience that there are far more Americans that dislike the French rather than the other way around. The French are too busy loving themselves to bother disliking anyone .


please carry my apologies back to France.

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RE: The Airline Security System Works; It Really Does! - 12/28/2009 8:47:59 PM   
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Nah. I'm here to stay .

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RE: The Airline Security System Works; It Really Does! - 12/28/2009 10:27:58 PM   
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with all the fucked up links you post, surely you can post one for that claim, hunk.

Ron


I work my fingers to the bone finding good links and most dont bother to read them.

So on this one-  Might I suggest you GOOGLE it?

Or step in to the high powered x-ray machine and see for yourself.

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RE: The Airline Security System Works; It Really Does! - 12/28/2009 11:24:27 PM   
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Well, for the comfort of all you Americans that fly to and from the UK, I'd like you to know that all the efforts of Homeland Security, MI5, MI6, the CIA, FBI and anyone else you might be relying on to protect you, and all and any of those daft security checks you pass through and procedures youre obliged to follow, are all for nothing.

Because the guys and gals working to sort and check baggage are often supplied by temping agencies to the airports, provided with little or no training and subject to background checks that are purely for show. Guess who is most attracted to this sort of work and who put off, by the long hours of repetitive tasks at low pay? And when illegal immigrants from all sorts of exotic and diverse backgrounds can find their way by the same methods and systems into jobs cleaning at the UK Home Office and it takes months to discover it, you can rest assured that air-side security is bang up to scratch too.

Security has not been improved one iota since Lockerbie, despite all the rules and regulations imposed since and escalated enormously in the last few years. Anyone with a reasonable level of intelligence and a little funding can get round whatever measures are put in place, especially if they are motivated to do so. And if we insist on low cost air travel that means our baggage is sorted by underpaid immigrants who may well be so motivated, we're just kidding ourselves that any rule will have much effect.

E



Lady E, you're right again!
Any "Security Personel" these days should be highly trained and well paid! Even what we call "Mall Cops" here in the U.S.
It's simply *too important* of a job these days! People's very lives depend on those security people.
Shopping Malls are considered "soft targets" because it would be so easy for terrorists with guns to go in and slaughter a lot of people with little or no resistance as few mall security guards carry guns in the U.S. and it can take local police 5-6 minutes to respond.
If you live in states like Ill., N.Y., N.J. etc you are basically....."on your own" if such an event were to occur. They can just take their time shooting people and when the cops arrive take them out too.
In the states I've lived in, Maine, New Hampshire, South Carolina there are plenty of people who carry guns and of course the terrorists must know that.
That's a good point about "cleaning people" in govt offices too. And of course that would never occur to "govt people", to them hiring more people to sit at desks and harrass non-terrorists are "security measures." But, those are the "non essential personel" who they tell to stay home as a snow storm approaches!
How anyone with only half a brain can think it's a "good thing" to hire illegal aliens at low wages to handle bags that are going on a plane is beyond common sense.
Napolitano corrected herself *again*, now she said she meant that the system worked flawlessly *after* the incident! Oh? does she mean the cops and ambulence arrived at the plane like they're supposed to do *anyway?* WTF is she talking about?
If the system worked "flawlessly" that savage shouldn't have been alowed on the plane *anyway!*
Why couldn't Obama have put an Army or Marine Corps Sargeant in Napolitano's position, would it just make too much common sense?
If we were *PROFILING* like we should be doing they probably would have intercepted him.
These fucking idiots in our respective governments need to realise that it's ok to "offend" people for the possibility of preventing the deaths of hundreds or thousands of people! What the hell is wrong with them that they can't see that?
And why is any Western country allowing Nigerians into our countries?
I figured I'd give Obama the benefit of the doubt in his first year but it's just not getting any better. I'm really starting to think that he's just not up to the job.
He's more "Republican" than Bush ever was,...by a long shot! Stockbrokers, Bankers and Insurance cos must absolutely love him!
He seems to have completely forgotten the average working person in this country. And all the "change" he promised us.
And what does he give us, Janet Napolitano and thousands more like her!
And if al qeada isn't afraid of him we're all in trouble.

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RE: The Airline Security System Works; It Really Does! - 12/28/2009 11:26:45 PM   
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Nevermind that Nate Silver at 538.com calculated you have about a 1 in 10 million chance of being involved in a terrorist attack


Did he graduate kindergarten? Everybody in the US was involved in a terrorist attack eight years ago.



Actually he gets an A+ in using meaningless statistics to push an agenda.

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RE: The Airline Security System Works; It Really Does! - 12/28/2009 11:41:57 PM   
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The dude was from Nigeria.  His father is a BANKER.

HELLLLLLLLLLLLO?


Doncha get it?

Anytime a guy is from Nigeria and is in banking- do you send him money?

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RE: The Airline Security System Works; It Really Does! - 12/28/2009 11:43:42 PM   
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhTVQp-r_Vw


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhTVQp-r_Vw  Paul Watson

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RE: The Airline Security System Works; It Really Does! - 12/28/2009 11:46:26 PM   
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Alkaida dont exist,according to the BBC and they are correct,great video/report,jack

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RE: The Airline Security System Works; It Really Does! - 12/29/2009 5:58:30 AM   
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Popeye, I agree with you on this except the guns these guards carry would be impotent vs the fire power of AK 47s or whatever probably easily available to wouldbe terrorists.

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It's simply *too important* of a job these days! People's very lives depend on those security people.
Shopping Malls are considered "soft targets" because it would be so easy for terrorists with guns to go in and slaughter a lot of people with little or no resistance as few mall security guards carry guns in the U.S. and it can take local police 5-6 minutes to respond.


And this was I think a typical political payoff...

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Why couldn't Obama have put an Army or Marine Corps Sargeant in Napolitano's position, would it just make too much common sense?


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If we were *PROFILING* like we should be doing they probably would have intercepted him.


He was on the "be on the lookout for" list but not the "no fly" list. Go figure. Two lists. Additionally, he purchased a one way ticket and had no luggage. The fucker might as well have had a sandwich sign proclaiming his intentions.

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And why is any Western country allowing Nigerians into our countries?


Nigeria supplies five percent of our oil.

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RE: The Airline Security System Works; It Really Does! - 12/29/2009 6:07:13 AM   
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Popeye: Maybe you should have them all wear yellow stars...yanno to make it easier for profiling?







Edited to add....yes Im being just a little sarcastic. 


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RE: The Airline Security System Works; It Really Does! - 12/29/2009 6:11:32 AM   
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Military weaponry, shopping mall. 10 minutes on Vice City will show you how it works - crikey how it works.

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RE: The Airline Security System Works; It Really Does! - 12/29/2009 6:12:03 AM   
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Maybe you should have them all wear yellow stars...yanno to make it easier for profiling?


Ohhhhh, a nasty cut Lucy. Point well taken. But authorities were warned before hand about this guy....by his father. He should have been on the nofly list imo.

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RE: The Airline Security System Works; It Really Does! - 12/29/2009 6:15:50 AM   
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"In ways large and small, the Department of Homeland Security, once again, is struggling to strengthen an aviation security system it has already spent $40 billion rebuilding since the terror attacks of 2001."

Only been nine years. "In ways large and small" means further intrusions for passengers.

Full article here.

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RE: The Airline Security System Works; It Really Does! - 12/29/2009 6:15:53 AM   
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His handler was filming him, something odd- the whole time.

Of course it was supposed to be a drill- but we all know differently.

With as sticky and time consuming it has gotten to fly- for shorter trips it is easier to drive.   By the time- I go thru all the motions- it is not that much harder to drive to Chicago- which is 640 miles.



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RE: The Airline Security System Works; It Really Does! - 12/29/2009 6:23:57 AM   
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I want to apologise to you as I was focussing my ire on Pops not specifically you:)Theres still so much bullshit Vincent surrounding this are they still reporting that  he flew without a passport, I dinno about anyone else, but I fly on a British passport, I fly regularly to the US, and occasionally to the UK. my last trip I had my passport checked four times before I got to the gate. Unless he was on diplomatic immunity I dont see it.  Amsterdam fucked up royally if he is on the no fly list, or persons of interest list.



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RE: The Airline Security System Works; It Really Does! - 12/29/2009 7:03:59 AM   
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Why are 30,000 more troops being sent to Afghanistan when there are only about 100 Al Queda members reported there?

Because there's a lot of other sorts in Afghanistan who like you just as little as Al Queda do?


So, is that our current criteria for boots on the ground, for disrupting a society, for creating refuges, for property destruction and death? Because there are some who dislike us. Fucking amazing! Where will that end? Would you then use that criteria and consider France a likely candidate? Sure as hell a lot of Frenchmen who dislike us.

WTF?

Understatement for comic effect, Vincent. Obviously it didn't work.

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RE: The Airline Security System Works; It Really Does! - 12/29/2009 7:35:53 AM   
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Actually, it's my personal experience that there are far more Americans that dislike the French rather than the other way around. The French are too busy loving themselves to bother disliking anyone .


I had a grand-uncle who flew a fighter plane in WW2, got shot down and spent several weeks with the French Resistance being smuggled, via farms and safe houses, to the coast before being picked up and brought back to England (and eventually returning to the skies over France).

When the whole anti-French/"the French are cowards" nonsense began after 9/11 he was livid about it, telling anyone who would listen that "some of the bravest people I ever met were French." At one family reunion he was asked, "yeah, but aren't the French all snooty?" His reply: "yes they are, but once you learn to accept that about them, they can be a really fun people to party with. It's really easy to get along with the French, just compliment their wine and ask them for advice on how to make love to your woman. They'll love you."

By the way, rumors that there is now a French side to the family, that I have French cousins, are... unconfirmed.

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RE: The Airline Security System Works; It Really Does! - 12/29/2009 7:44:00 AM   
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Alkaida dont exist,according to the BBC and they are correct,great video/report,jack


What video/report?

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