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osf -> RE: Doctrine and the d/s m/s relationship (12/28/2009 9:39:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lally2 quote: ORIGINAL: osf i think a d/s relationship that is allowed to happen has less of a chance than one that is directed not so in my experience. a relationship that evolves according to the people involved is, in my experience far stronger than one tied up with rules and protocol - whilst they have their place the control and containment of a submissive is going to mean so much more to both when the personality of the sub and Dominant are allowed to evolve and grow specifically to them. if what you mean is that you take a) a submissive and apply b) rules and protocols, you have c) a tight ship. the trouble with that is that youre not taking into account the personality of the submissive involved. fine if youre not interested in the submissive submitting to you and rather submitting to youre rules and protocol. for myself i prefer to submit to the man and abide by his rules and protocol. direction ans evolution are not exclusive one can have a goal and adapt on the way to getting there but i think in a d/s relationship he has to have an idea about how it is to develop a commander in battle has a mission statement, a goal (victory) but still has to adapt to the developing battle and alter tactics but the mission and goal remain the same

happylittlepet -> RE: Doctrine and the d/s m/s relationship (12/28/2009 9:54:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: osf i wanted a discussion about structured relationships using the concept of doctrine (sorta out of the box thinking) To me, using doctrine is in-the-box-thinking. And in my background/upbringing it usually let to judgmental attitudes about others and/or the idea that 'i am better than ...'.

osf -> RE: Doctrine and the d/s m/s relationship (12/28/2009 9:56:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: happylittlepet quote: ORIGINAL: osf i wanted a discussion about structured relationships using the concept of doctrine (sorta out of the box thinking) To me, using doctrine is in-the-box-thinking. And in my background/upbringing it usually let to judgmental attitudes about others and/or the idea that 'i am better than ...'. your using the word in a religious connotation, thats not the way it's meant here

happylittlepet -> RE: Doctrine and the d/s m/s relationship (12/28/2009 10:03:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: osf quote: ORIGINAL: happylittlepet quote: ORIGINAL: osf i wanted a discussion about structured relationships using the concept of doctrine (sorta out of the box thinking) To me, using doctrine is in-the-box-thinking. And in my background/upbringing it usually let to judgmental attitudes about others and/or the idea that 'i am better than ...'. your using the word in a religious connotation, thats not the way it's meant here You are thinking in the box.

Dominasola -> RE: Doctrine and the d/s m/s relationship (12/28/2009 10:07:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: osf your using the word in a religious connotation, thats not the way it's meant here Then perhaps you should try to think of another suitable word that isn't so highly identifiable as having a religious connotation.

osf -> RE: Doctrine and the d/s m/s relationship (12/28/2009 10:07:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: happylittlepet quote: ORIGINAL: osf quote: ORIGINAL: happylittlepet quote: ORIGINAL: osf i wanted a discussion about structured relationships using the concept of doctrine (sorta out of the box thinking) To me, using doctrine is in-the-box-thinking. And in my background/upbringing it usually let to judgmental attitudes about others and/or the idea that 'i am better than ...'. your using the word in a religious connotation, thats not the way it's meant here You are thinking in the box. perhaps, but it's a different box than everybody else

happylittlepet -> RE: Doctrine and the d/s m/s relationship (12/28/2009 10:10:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: osf quote: ORIGINAL: happylittlepet quote: ORIGINAL: osf quote: ORIGINAL: happylittlepet quote: ORIGINAL: osf i wanted a discussion about structured relationships using the concept of doctrine (sorta out of the box thinking) To me, using doctrine is in-the-box-thinking. And in my background/upbringing it usually let to judgmental attitudes about others and/or the idea that 'i am better than ...'. your using the word in a religious connotation, thats not the way it's meant here You are thinking in the box. perhaps, but it's a different box than everybody else that's great, why don't you just play there quietly [:)]

osf -> RE: Doctrine and the d/s m/s relationship (12/28/2009 10:21:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: happylittlepet quote: ORIGINAL: osf quote: ORIGINAL: happylittlepet quote: ORIGINAL: osf quote: ORIGINAL: happylittlepet quote: ORIGINAL: osf i wanted a discussion about structured relationships using the concept of doctrine (sorta out of the box thinking) To me, using doctrine is in-the-box-thinking. And in my background/upbringing it usually let to judgmental attitudes about others and/or the idea that 'i am better than ...'. your using the word in a religious connotation, thats not the way it's meant here You are thinking in the box. perhaps, but it's a different box than everybody else that's great, why don't you just play there quietly [:)] and deprive you the chance to give such answers? baby, i'm a giver at heart

CelticPrince -> RE: Doctrine and the d/s m/s relationship (12/28/2009 1:05:20 PM)
quote: It dawned on me that the d/s m/s relationship is an organization in that it has hierarchy, rules, obligations and expectations for and by it’s participants. osf, D/s is in a constant state of flux! CP

osf -> RE: Doctrine and the d/s m/s relationship (12/28/2009 1:07:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CelticPrince quote: It dawned on me that the d/s m/s relationship is an organization in that it has hierarchy, rules, obligations and expectations for and by it’s participants. osf, D/s is in a constant state of flux! CP and it can't adapt?

agirl -> RE: Doctrine and the d/s m/s relationship (12/28/2009 1:47:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: osf Doctrine and the d/s m/s relationship It dawned on me that the d/s m/s relationship is an organization in that it has hierarchy, rules, obligations and expectations for and by it’s participants. As such it is doctrinaire in nature. The purpose of this thread is to share and contribute ideas about doctrine and how it affects your relationships or relationships you hope to establish. I have to agree with your first paragraph.......at least in my relationship. The most constructive thing I can say is that it's worked.....lol agirl

vincentML -> RE: Doctrine and the d/s m/s relationship (12/28/2009 2:27:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lally2 i can follow rules and protocol, kneel in certain positions but i have to admit, much of the time im thinking 'darn the carpet needs a hoover' or 'does my arse look fat stuck up in the air'. LMAO. Oh how funny. Thanks for the good laugh.

vincentML -> RE: Doctrine and the d/s m/s relationship (12/28/2009 2:29:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: osf quote: ORIGINAL: CelticPrince quote: It dawned on me that the d/s m/s relationship is an organization in that it has hierarchy, rules, obligations and expectations for and by it’s participants. osf, D/s is in a constant state of flux! CP and it can't adapt? Not if it is wedded to doctrine. Contradiction there.

osf -> RE: Doctrine and the d/s m/s relationship (12/28/2009 2:35:23 PM)
quote: i can follow rules and protocol, kneel in certain positions but i have to admit, much of the time im thinking 'darn the carpet needs a hoover' or 'does my arse look fat stuck up in the air'. but you did it anyway

osf -> RE: Doctrine and the d/s m/s relationship (12/28/2009 2:36:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: osf quote: ORIGINAL: CelticPrince quote: It dawned on me that the d/s m/s relationship is an organization in that it has hierarchy, rules, obligations and expectations for and by it’s participants. osf, D/s is in a constant state of flux! CP and it can't adapt? Not if it is wedded to doctrine. Contradiction there. then your misunderstanding what doctrine is

vincentML -> RE: Doctrine and the d/s m/s relationship (12/28/2009 6:30:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: osf quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: osf quote: ORIGINAL: CelticPrince quote: It dawned on me that the d/s m/s relationship is an organization in that it has hierarchy, rules, obligations and expectations for and by it’s participants. osf, D/s is in a constant state of flux! CP and it can't adapt? Not if it is wedded to doctrine. Contradiction there. then your misunderstanding what doctrine is or you misunderstand what flux is.

osf -> RE: Doctrine and the d/s m/s relationship (12/28/2009 6:36:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: osf quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: osf quote: ORIGINAL: CelticPrince quote: It dawned on me that the d/s m/s relationship is an organization in that it has hierarchy, rules, obligations and expectations for and by it’s participants. osf, D/s is in a constant state of flux! CP and it can't adapt? Not if it is wedded to doctrine. Contradiction there. then your misunderstanding what doctrine is or you misunderstand what flux is. all militarys operate on doctrine but they adapt to changing conditions what a doctrine is is a set of rules regs, and tactics and toe to be used by the organization, it's not set in stone and inflexible, it's there to keep cohesion so everybody knows whats expected

littlewonder -> RE: Doctrine and the d/s m/s relationship (12/28/2009 6:37:28 PM)
quote: it has hierarchy, rules, obligations and expectations for and by it’s participants. Well just by going by that part of your words..yup, I guess we have a doctrine. All those are present in our relationship.

osf -> RE: Doctrine and the d/s m/s relationship (12/28/2009 6:39:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: littlewonder quote: it has hierarchy, rules, obligations and expectations for and by it’s participants. Well just by going by that part of your words..yup, I guess we have a doctrine. All those are present in our relationship. yup, just like in the army only the army banned flogging long ago

LadyAngelika -> RE: Doctrine and the d/s m/s relationship (12/28/2009 6:43:32 PM)
quote: all militarys operate on doctrine but they adapt to changing conditions what a doctrine is is a set of rules regs, and tactics and toe to be used by the organization, it's not set in stone and inflexible, it's there to keep cohesion so everybody knows whats expected BDSM is not a religion, not a military, not a cult. BDSM is simply an umbrella term, an acronym, that regroups a whole whack of hetergenous kinky people who are usually, from my experience, not all that organized as a community in an overall protocol. Got it? - LA

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