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osf -> RE: Doctrine and the d/s m/s relationship (12/28/2009 6:47:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

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all militarys operate on doctrine but they adapt to changing conditions what a doctrine is is a set of rules regs, and tactics and toe to be used by the organization, it's not set in stone and inflexible, it's there to keep cohesion so everybody knows whats expected


BDSM is not a religion, not a military, not a cult. BDSM is simply an umbrella term, an acronym, that regroups a whole whack of hetergenous kinky people who are usually, from my experience, not all that organized as a community in an overall protocol.

Got it?

- LA


the thread is about d/s which has much in common with military principles

hierarchy rules tradition responsibilities expectation and o yes, punishments and ritual




LadyAngelika -> RE: Doctrine and the d/s m/s relationship (12/28/2009 7:08:58 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: osf

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

quote:

all militarys operate on doctrine but they adapt to changing conditions what a doctrine is is a set of rules regs, and tactics and toe to be used by the organization, it's not set in stone and inflexible, it's there to keep cohesion so everybody knows whats expected


BDSM is not a religion, not a military, not a cult. BDSM is simply an umbrella term, an acronym, that regroups a whole whack of hetergenous kinky people who are usually, from my experience, not all that organized as a community in an overall protocol.

Got it?

- LA


the thread is about d/s which has much in common with military principles

hierarchy rules tradition responsibilities expectation and o yes, punishments and ritual


But they aren't organized like military. Military has a set of rules that everyone in the military abides by. No one, and I do mean no one, is going to set the rules by which I interact with my boy. Therefore there is no great big BDSM doctrine, only the way that individuals negotiate to interact with one another on an individual basis.

Do you see the difference now?

- LA




osf -> RE: Doctrine and the d/s m/s relationship (12/28/2009 7:10:23 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika


quote:

ORIGINAL: osf

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

quote:

all militarys operate on doctrine but they adapt to changing conditions what a doctrine is is a set of rules regs, and tactics and toe to be used by the organization, it's not set in stone and inflexible, it's there to keep cohesion so everybody knows whats expected


BDSM is not a religion, not a military, not a cult. BDSM is simply an umbrella term, an acronym, that regroups a whole whack of hetergenous kinky people who are usually, from my experience, not all that organized as a community in an overall protocol.

Got it?

- LA


the thread is about d/s which has much in common with military principles

hierarchy rules tradition responsibilities expectation and o yes, punishments and ritual


But they aren't organized like military. Military has a set of rules that everyone in the military abides by. No one, and I do mean no one, is going to set the rules by which I interact with my boy. Therefore there is no great big BDSM doctrine, only the way that individuals negotiate to interact with one another on an individual basis.

Do you see the difference now?

- LA


do you make the rules?

rules are rules no matter who makes them


and this was about d/s which may not be bdsm

military is ab alagory




mstrslve4fun -> RE: Doctrine and the d/s m/s relationship (12/28/2009 7:47:17 PM)

What i want to know is just who's going to enforce this 'doctrine'?




osf -> RE: Doctrine and the d/s m/s relationship (12/28/2009 7:48:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: mstrslve4fun

What i want to know is just who's going to enforce this 'doctrine'?


him?

have you read my journal?




mstrslve4fun -> RE: Doctrine and the d/s m/s relationship (12/28/2009 8:01:09 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: osf

quote:

ORIGINAL: mstrslve4fun

What i want to know is just who's going to enforce this 'doctrine'?


him?

have you read my journal?


No, and won't. My Master makes His own rules, and doesn't feel the need to follow some obscure set of rules.

Our lives are our own, and we have our own dynamic, and as much as He might like me to be naked or kneel at will at His command, the fact that we have children running around and other things going on makes that highly improbable. He isn't going to force me to walk around chained to a shopping cart (that is one rule i've heard) because we live in this community and have to interact with the PTA and others.

IMHO, common sense in this lifestyle prempts any set of 'rules' or doctrine that you can create. Is there a set of rules on how vanilla couples conduct their relationships?




osf -> RE: Doctrine and the d/s m/s relationship (12/28/2009 8:03:42 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: mstrslve4fun


quote:

ORIGINAL: osf

quote:

ORIGINAL: mstrslve4fun

What i want to know is just who's going to enforce this 'doctrine'?


him?

have you read my journal?


No, and won't. My Master makes His own rules, and doesn't feel the need to follow some obscure set of rules.

Our lives are our own, and we have our own dynamic, and as much as He might like me to be naked or kneel at will at His command, the fact that we have children running around and other things going on makes that highly improbable. He isn't going to force me to walk around chained to a shopping cart (that is one rule i've heard) because we live in this community and have to interact with the PTA and others.

IMHO, common sense in this lifestyle prempts any set of 'rules' or doctrine that you can create. Is there a set of rules on how vanilla couples conduct their relationships?


he creates the rules

the rules are the doctrine




LadyAngelika -> RE: Doctrine and the d/s m/s relationship (12/28/2009 8:45:24 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: osf

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

quote:

ORIGINAL: osf

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

quote:

all militarys operate on doctrine but they adapt to changing conditions what a doctrine is is a set of rules regs, and tactics and toe to be used by the organization, it's not set in stone and inflexible, it's there to keep cohesion so everybody knows whats expected


BDSM is not a religion, not a military, not a cult. BDSM is simply an umbrella term, an acronym, that regroups a whole whack of hetergenous kinky people who are usually, from my experience, not all that organized as a community in an overall protocol.

Got it?

- LA


the thread is about d/s which has much in common with military principles

hierarchy rules tradition responsibilities expectation and o yes, punishments and ritual


But they aren't organized like military. Military has a set of rules that everyone in the military abides by. No one, and I do mean no one, is going to set the rules by which I interact with my boy. Therefore there is no great big BDSM doctrine, only the way that individuals negotiate to interact with one another on an individual basis.

Do you see the difference now?

- LA


do you make the rules?

rules are rules no matter who makes them


and this was about d/s which may not be bdsm

military is ab alagory


As I said here, for me, it's all about the Lady Angelika Doctrine. ;-)

- LA




osf -> RE: Doctrine and the d/s m/s relationship (12/28/2009 8:47:57 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika


quote:

ORIGINAL: osf

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

quote:

ORIGINAL: osf

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

quote:

all militarys operate on doctrine but they adapt to changing conditions what a doctrine is is a set of rules regs, and tactics and toe to be used by the organization, it's not set in stone and inflexible, it's there to keep cohesion so everybody knows whats expected


BDSM is not a religion, not a military, not a cult. BDSM is simply an umbrella term, an acronym, that regroups a whole whack of hetergenous kinky people who are usually, from my experience, not all that organized as a community in an overall protocol.

Got it?

- LA


the thread is about d/s which has much in common with military principles

hierarchy rules tradition responsibilities expectation and o yes, punishments and ritual


But they aren't organized like military. Military has a set of rules that everyone in the military abides by. No one, and I do mean no one, is going to set the rules by which I interact with my boy. Therefore there is no great big BDSM doctrine, only the way that individuals negotiate to interact with one another on an individual basis.

Do you see the difference now?

- LA


do you make the rules?

rules are rules no matter who makes them


and this was about d/s which may not be bdsm

military is ab alagory


As I said here, for me, it's all about the Lady Angelika Doctrine. ;-)

- LA


if you make the rules and rules correspond to doctrine then you make the doctrine

it's just that the concept of a doctrine goes beyond rules




Dominasola -> RE: Doctrine and the d/s m/s relationship (12/28/2009 9:09:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: osf

it's just that the concept of a doctrine goes beyond rules



You are associating doctrine with rules, yet clearly there is a reason as to why you used the term doctrine to begin with.  What makes "doctrine" different than "rule"?




osf -> RE: Doctrine and the d/s m/s relationship (12/28/2009 9:13:37 PM)

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You are associating doctrine with rules, yet clearly there is a reason as to why you used the term doctrine to begin with.  What makes "doctrine" different than "rule"?

a doctrine goes beyond rules and covers the totality of the relationship what responsibilities are what expectations are it covers every aspect of the relationship

rituals, every thing you can think of




LadyAngelika -> RE: Doctrine and the d/s m/s relationship (12/28/2009 9:19:31 PM)

quote:

if you make the rules and rules correspond to doctrine then you make the doctrine

it's just that the concept of a doctrine goes beyond rules


And you are tripping up in your words darling. Maybe it's time to take a break from the boards and go breath some fresh air. Methinks you've hotboxed yourself one too many times.

- LA




osf -> RE: Doctrine and the d/s m/s relationship (12/28/2009 9:21:00 PM)

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And you are tripping up in your words darling. Maybe it's time to take a break from the boards and go breath some fresh air. Methinks you've hotboxed yourself one too many times.


how so




Dominasola -> RE: Doctrine and the d/s m/s relationship (12/28/2009 9:23:05 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: osf

a doctrine goes beyond rules and covers the totality of the relationship what responsibilities are what expectations are it covers every aspect of the relationship

rituals, every thing you can think of


So, then, you see doctrine as something that is rigid and not bendable or breakable, while a rule may be seen as something with flexibility, something that can be broken without necessarily forfeiting the relationship?




osf -> RE: Doctrine and the d/s m/s relationship (12/28/2009 9:26:49 PM)

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So, then, you see doctrine as something that is rigid and not bendable or breakable, while a rule may be seen as something with flexibility, something that can be broken without necessarily forfeiting the relationship?


doctrine can be as easily changed as any rule
a doctrine may cover any or all of the following

behavior
ritual
dress
conduct
diet
hours
responsibilities
expectations
anything at all regarding the relationship




vincentML -> RE: Doctrine and the d/s m/s relationship (12/29/2009 5:34:20 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: osf

quote:

So, then, you see doctrine as something that is rigid and not bendable or breakable, while a rule may be seen as something with flexibility, something that can be broken without necessarily forfeiting the relationship?


doctrine can be as easily changed as any rule
a doctrine may cover any or all of the following

behavior
ritual
dress
conduct
diet
hours
responsibilities
expectations
anything at all regarding the relationship


Just a collection of rules osf. We are all familiar with them when in relationships. You impose a needless word upon that which is quite common and already acceptable even presumed by us. Just a game of semantics with no real difference to what we already do.




wisdomtogive -> RE: Doctrine and the d/s m/s relationship (12/29/2009 5:45:36 AM)

In my life, I have been fortunate to never been with anyone vanilla or D/s who lives within a doctrine. I am fortunate to have been with men who are creative and can breathe through the glass walls of any doctrine. They can step 'out -of -the-box and see 'beyond', instead of becoming a prisioner of their own doctrines. Yes, thank the Goddess and God i am truly blessed.

wisdomtogive




Justme696 -> RE: Doctrine and the d/s m/s relationship (12/29/2009 7:56:22 AM)

a doctrine is a way to big word for 2/3 people having rules I think.




osf -> RE: Doctrine and the d/s m/s relationship (12/29/2009 7:59:46 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: vincentML


quote:

ORIGINAL: osf

quote:

So, then, you see doctrine as something that is rigid and not bendable or breakable, while a rule may be seen as something with flexibility, something that can be broken without necessarily forfeiting the relationship?


doctrine can be as easily changed as any rule
a doctrine may cover any or all of the following

behavior
ritual
dress
conduct
diet
hours
responsibilities
expectations
anything at all regarding the relationship


Just a collection of rules osf. We are all familiar with them when in relationships. You impose a needless word upon that which is quite common and already acceptable even presumed by us. Just a game of semantics with no real difference to what we already do.



it's not a needless word or it wouldn't exist




osf -> RE: Doctrine and the d/s m/s relationship (12/29/2009 8:01:23 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: wisdomtogive

In my life, I have been fortunate to never been with anyone vanilla or D/s who lives within a doctrine. I am fortunate to have been with men who are creative and can breathe through the glass walls of any doctrine. They can step 'out -of -the-box and see 'beyond', instead of becoming a prisioner of their own doctrines. Yes, thank the Goddess and God i am truly blessed.

wisdomtogive


everyone on earth with an organized life lives by an implied doctrine, it's the structure of their life




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