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Actually it is. There is only one standard for rational ethics, and it is a universal standard (it derives from Immanuel Kant's categorical imperative). You are probably making the same error that most people who have not actually studied ethics make: Assuming that because most people subscribe to what they term "personal ethics" that there is such a thing as "personal ethics."

There is no such thing as personal ethics. All ethics are universal, and anyone who claims they follow their own personal ethical code is actually telling you that they are an ammoral person who has created a rules system that allows them to do whatever they want to do and delude themselves into thinking they are ethical.

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ORIGINAL: Psychonaut23

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ORIGINAL: kiwisub12
Am I the only one reading this as saying that it's women fault if men objectify them?

I hope so, but I have little faith in the reading comprehension of most people, so you might not be alone.

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It's a shame you didn't make this post sooner, it would have saved a lot of grief. Certainly you have never mentioned being in a pinstriped suit, in fact to memory (which may be faulty) you've only mentioned how you deal with the guys on the dock.

Of  course you will deal with the dock guys differently than those in the corporations, that makes perfect sense.

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It's a shame you didn't make this post sooner, it would have saved a lot of grief. Certainly you have never mentioned being in a pinstriped suit, in fact to memory (which may be faulty) you've only mentioned how you deal with the guys on the dock.

Of  course you will deal with the dock guys differently than those in the corporations, that makes perfect sense.

Thanks Zeph, the whole thing kind of turned into a shame and it might again with the pompous bullshit posted underneath yoiur post from Psychonaut...again. But you are correct, I let me emotions get the best of me.

I would be more than happy to smack you if it happens again....hmmm then again maybe not, I just remembered, you have a gun

As for psychonaut's posts, just click that hide button, it does wonders for threads where there is an otherwise great convo going on.

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Am I the only one reading this as saying that it's women fault if men objectify them?

I hope so, but I have little faith in the reading comprehension of most people, so you might not be alone.

My personal ethics tell me that saying this to people is verbally abusive and ethically wrong. If you have any ethics you should apologize.

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The issue Psychnaut is can and do I deliver the promised product at the promised price on time and excellent quality? YES. So don't call me unethical. What's unethical is promising bullshit then not producing...

It always amuses me how few people in this country can actually define ethics in any meaningful sense.

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Ahhh the intent argument. So what is the difference in intent between a female using a sexy tone on the phone, and being very friendly, or flirtatious in person? The genders do have a different set of social skills that they use (this is a general statement, not a blanket one).

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It seems more like a personal issue you have with Aynne than with anything else.

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If you consider it unethical, great, but your presentation has been that it should be universally unethical.

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I suppose utilizing human behavior techniques in sales is unethical as well?

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ORIGINAL: Icarys

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~FR~

Unethical sales is using deception, not using assets at your disposal. My slave is also my assistant, and I use her beauty and charm to handle certain problems in my business. It is called using what you have, and there is nothing unethical about it. I have also used the strip club approach to get some deals signed, but then again I have also used the great seats at a sporting event, or opera as well. Aynne may not have worded things the best, but I understood what she was saying. Now Psychonaut seems to be stating that if someone uses any difference between the sexes, it is unethical, well there is a study that the female voice is more appealing in telephone sales, so should they use voice distortion to maintain some ridiculous standard of neutrality?

Agreed.

I'd like to add..I'm strangely craving lobster right about now.

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I'm a professional writer, I know how to communicate.

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Well Icarys if you are ever in the neighborhood..by the way the tail meat is the best.

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There is no such thing as personal ethics. All ethics are universal, and anyone who claims they follow their own personal ethical code is actually telling you that they are an ammoral person who has created a rules system that allows them to do whatever they want to do and delude themselves into thinking they are ethical.

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Was this supposed to impress us?

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ORIGINAL: CallaFirestormBW

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There is no such thing as personal ethics. All ethics are universal, and anyone who claims they follow their own personal ethical code is actually telling you that they are an ammoral person who has created a rules system that allows them to do whatever they want to do and delude themselves into thinking they are ethical.

I claim this, own it, acknowledge that what I call 'ethical' may not fit the mainstream definition -and- that it's not going to change a damned thing for me and I won't apologize for it... and tell you to stick your "universal ethics" in your socks and smoke 'em... just the fact that you are ON this site belies any attempt you might make to justify a concept of "universal ethics", since "universal ethics" include obedience to the law of the land, and participating in BDSM activities is illegal in the United States -- thereby, you, yourself, do not abide by the "universal ethics" which you imply that everyone else is so deficient in.

Calla

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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19
"(used with a singular or plural verb) a system of moral principles: the ethics of a culture.
2. the rules of conduct recognized in respect to a particular class of human actions or a particular group, culture, etc.: medical ethics; Christian ethics.
3. moral principles, as of an individual: His ethics forbade betrayal of a confidence.
4. (usually used with a singular verb) that branch of philosophy dealing with values relating to human conduct, with respect to the rightness and wrongness of certain actions and to the goodness and badness of the motives and ends of such actions.
Compare axiological ethics, deontological ethics"

These definitions show that there is no universal ethic. Ethic or the Middle English word Ethos refers to society. Since society and cultures are not the same universally ethics change from culture to culture.

There is a word for people who attempt to win arguments over philosophy by citing the dictionary.  That word is idiot.

Here is a lengthy explanation of why your argument is stupid.

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Was this supposed to impress us?

It's no more or less impressive than anything somebody feels like they need to tell everyone so that they may impress upon them how great they are.

I'm hardly ever impressed by someone flexing their so called mental might.

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Guess it just demonstrates how important you are to me.