Aynne88
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ORIGINAL: Elisabella
1. What standard of universal ethics do you feel applies to this situation?
Kant's categorical imperative. Which applies to all possible situations. It is, as far as I know, the only rational universal ethic.
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2. How do you feel Aynne is violating this standard of ethics, using specific examples?
In a broad sense anyone engaged in any capitalist enterprise at all is violating this standard of ethics, but specific examples would include sleeping with the boss, smoking pot with the lobstermen, and using flirtation and sexuality to increase the likelihood of a sale.
I'm especially troubled by the use of flirtation and sexuality to increase the liklihood of a sale, as that is clearly emotionally manipulative. Since Aynne has no intention of consumating any sort of relationship with her customers, her manipulation of their sexual desires is a clear-cut example of treating them as means to her own end (making a sale), and not as ends unto themselves.
An ethical salesperson would not attempt to manipulate the emotions of potential customers in any way, and would rely strictly on facts. Which is why an ethical salesperson would fail horribly at the job.
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And for the record while I did take a potshot at Aynne for the smoking weed thing, I really have no problem with it, or with a woman using all of her skills to succeed. Because it's not just a gender thing - I'm a woman and I have no flirting skills whatsoever. When I used to go to parties a lot people would always tell me they thought I was a snob or a stuck up bitch until they got to know me and realized I'm just really shy and reserved. Obviously not on the internet LOL but in person I am. So what Aynne does isn't just based in gender, it's based in her personality and social skills, and while those talents come across in a feminine way, they're the same talents male salesmen use. Singling out a woman for doing what most salespeople do, because she does it in a feminine way rather than a masculine way, is IMO a double standard.
I'm not doing that. If you pay attention, you'll note that I'm actually of the opinion that everyone in sales, male and female, is pretty unethical. Capitalism itself is grossly unethical. I agree that its pragmatically necessary for a salesperson to use all their skills, but at the same times, pragmatic necessity does not provide ethical justification.
What Aynne does is no different than a salesman who relies on a winning smile and easy demeanor to make customers feel confident in his trustworthiness. It's exactly the same, but it's unethical. Because the customer is not buying the salesman, he is buying the product. And when the salesmen used personal charisma to emotionally manipulate the customer, they have treated that customer unethically.
Sleeping with the boss? He is my Master, you did catch that right? Why would he not use my education in business management and 20 plus years in sales to benefit his business?
Using personal charisma to emotionally manipulate the customer? No shit. Every salesperson in the world does that, well, only the ones that want to sell something. As long as I deliver what I promise at the promised price and back it up, no ethical quandry there.
Smoking pot with the lobstermen? Oh for fuck sake. 5 or 6 times maybe, I don't do it on business premises or during working hours and most of these guys I have gorwn up with. Camraderie. Try it. You build a level a comfort. This is a very small community and I can call any one of those guys if Master is on business somewhere in the middle of a freezing ass winter night if my fiurnace breaks down, my car won't start or any myriad of reasons. Know why? They like me. So I prefer to be "unethical" I suppose and be liked in my town.
Do you know how many women here work for their Master's? I believe Orion already explained that to as well, his girl is beautiful, charming and intelligent, why would he not use those assets in his business?
For 20 years prior to this I VP'd with my ex a high end custom home contracting business, believe me, I have what it takes, and most of out clients in that business were wealthy, particular, and came armed with architects, engineers, and lawyers. Flirting and smoking pot wasn't really a needed skill set there, but I rocked that position too. Chameleon Psychonaut, it's all about adapting to the client, and ethically providing what they need while pleasing the boss/owner, meeting the ridiculous laws and regulations and still turning a profit ( you hope). I'd give you a week. Not really but I'm feeling generous. Now, on to hide you go little one, Dumb Bunny has to go face the big bad wolves that want to fuck with the bottom dollar again. Want to talk ethics? Start with legislators making it impossible to run your business in this crazy state without constant needless interference to line their greedy coffers.
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. Why is it that he is here? Only to inflame and incite and bait? I'm at a loss. By the way thank you ladies both. I have learned from both of you in this thread. 
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