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CountrySong -> RE: Rush taken to hospital (1/5/2010 11:20:59 AM)
mnottertail So, some high school or college professor having examined the laws in detail now have a sure fire little known secret for making a half a mill a year as a welfare patient. Does it involve no money down millionairing? If you can't explain it on the back of a matchbook, you got nothing. Nope - it is actually taught by the social security administration representative. And like I said it involves self employment so there is no garanteed income; but, you can make a substantial amount of money and legally still draw full benefits. It is actually available to anyone who is on social security disability but you do have to take a class to know how it works. Anyway I'm dropping off this topic as I have better things to do today (fill out some paperwork and go see a movie). If you really are interested in just how much people on benefits make and can make then do what I did - go to work for a not for profit that works with the disabled and the low income. you'll learn all the tricks of the trade within a few years and can help all your friends who are on benefits stay on them while also helping them build real wealth if they want to. BYE!

thompsonx -> RE: Rush taken to hospital (1/5/2010 12:34:05 PM)
quote: Nope - it is actually taught by the social security administration representative. And like I said it involves self employment so there is no garanteed income; but, you can make a substantial amount of money and legally still draw full benefits. It is actually available to anyone who is on social security disability but you do have to take a class to know how it works. Anyway I'm dropping off this topic as I have better things to do today (fill out some paperwork and go see a movie). If you really are interested in just how much people on benefits make and can make then do what I did - go to work for a not for profit that works with the disabled and the low income. you'll learn all the tricks of the trade within a few years and can help all your friends who are on benefits stay on them while also helping them build real wealth if they want to. BYE! Every little while some pimp for the "lets stop welfare fraud" gang comes on line and tells how he is fucking the system legally. Waxes on and on about the big bux and the good life those no good loafers are scamming off of the "good honest hard working....blah blah blah. When quized about the particulars of his scam he becomes sudenly busy with important stuff like going to a movie. Dude ...go tell Rush or one of his cronies...those who live in the real world know you are being less than candid. T.

CountrySong -> RE: Rush taken to hospital (1/5/2010 3:50:20 PM)
thompsonx Every little while some pimp for the "lets stop welfare fraud" gang comes on line and tells how he is fucking the system legally. Waxes on and on about the big bux and the good life those no good loafers are scamming off of the "good honest hard working....blah blah blah. When quized about the particulars of his scam he becomes sudenly busy with important stuff like going to a movie. Dude ...go tell Rush or one of his cronies...those who live in the real world know you are being less than candid. Wow I leave to go have some fun and get called a pimp? Grow up! I'm not f*ng the system the system is f*ing itself. As for stopping "welfare fraud" I don't believe I said there was any fraud involved. I said that people who could work are not working because doing so would endanger their benefits and they can not replace the value of those benefits therefore they have no financial incentive to return to work. It's just common sense - option A - $1250 and no insurance for working 40 hours a week at minimum wage and spending another 5 to 10 hours a week on lunch breaks at work and in your commute, or option B - a minimum of $661 in cash, $200 in food benefits, $600 in housing benefits, $1,000 in medical benefits, and hundreds of dollars in other benefits with no requirement to work. Which option would you pick. Plus if you really know know what your doing the option of still recieving the benefits and building real wealth. As for telling you how to do it, I did - go get your own education. Really, your local social security office and disabled organizations (might I suggest the ARC in your area) typically give Social Security Benefits trainings including the back to work trainings where you can find some major income and asset loop holes. Also spend a few hundred dollars and attend a HUD Housing Benefits seminar and a major disability and work conference (WA has both if you can't find them in California) and listen to people talk about how they bought houses, earned large incomes in their businesses, and bought other major assets while on full disability, full medical benefits, and section 8 or other housing programs. Oh and learn about special needs trusts. All the information is out there and very low cost but I'm not going to hold you hand and lead your through the maze. If someone is on welfare and "poor" that is their choice. If they bothered to get educated and use the benefits and programs that are available to them then they could build real wealth and financial freedom. It might take them 15 to 30 years but they could do it. The problem is that they won't get educated. I'm educated so I know how to work with the system but I only have a partial disability which affect my shoulder not a full disability. I'll use the benefits that are legally available to me while I heal to better myself and my financial position. (Oh and about your comment about spending money on drugs and women. In my state some of the disabled and low income can actually get perscription drugs (through the free medical insurance) and marijuana (with a green card and from organizations that grow and ship it for low income people) for free.) As for fixing the bugs well I have a few ideas - the first would be that everyone who is on section 8 actually has to buy a house in a personal special needs trust or other trust that way the government would be able to sell the home when they died and recoup some or all of the money spent on making the payment. Also assuming that they used a fixed rate mortgage the payments would be fixed and not continue to climb like section 8 rents do each year.

tazzygirl -> RE: Rush taken to hospital (1/5/2010 4:00:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CountrySong mnottertail well then these wealthy welfare patients are truely fucktards, because thats where I'd be banking my money. Opps - I forgot on thing that the teacher from Social Security taught us. There is actually a loop hole in the back to work laws that would allow you to make as much money as you want and still retain your benefits. You have to set up your own company to do it. The real life example he used made an extra $50,000 to 75,000 a year and bought a $500,000 home all while getting full benefits! (I'll keep that one a secret for a while as I'm planning on teaching it to some people I know who are on benefits.) Ah, i get it now. We should not allow people to live off us.. but you think its perfectly ok to teach others... as long as they are known by you... to screw the system. you are a hypocrit, sponging off the rest of us, encouraging others to do so, then out the other side of your mouth bitching about welfare recipients. We all know the west coast is fucked up. In the east, it isnt that easy. Why dont you explain why welfare recipients in some states are penalized for accepting a Pell Grant in order to go to college? Lets discuss child care for many of these women... toss them into a minumum wage job and they would actually make far LESS money then sitting at home watching their own kids. What kills me about people like you is your lack of ability to state how you would fix the problem. Why dont you address your energy to solutions instead of bitching... oh... how about legal solutions and not one designed to screw everyone else over.

thompsonx -> RE: Rush taken to hospital (1/5/2010 4:12:40 PM)
quote: Wow I leave to go have some fun and get called a pimp? While you are gaming the system you might want to take a class in English. There is a difference between being a pimp and pimping an agenda. I thought you said you were done with this thread. HST.

thornhappy -> RE: Rush taken to hospital (1/5/2010 4:59:37 PM)
Why does it take several times to get benefits, and sometimes 5 years to do it? How do they live before qualifying? And how do they pay medical bills during the 18 month waiting period for medicaid? Folks I knew on SSD were hurting in all respects.

zephyroftheNorth -> RE: Rush taken to hospital (1/5/2010 5:46:56 PM)
Ah and let's not forget that he actually DOES sponge off the system, Tazzy. He has admitted to being on Disability despite the fact that he admits that he could work if adjustments were made. Honestly Countrysong you make me sick.

thishereboi -> RE: Rush taken to hospital (1/5/2010 5:56:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thornhappy Why does it take several times to get benefits, and sometimes 5 years to do it? How do they live before qualifying? And how do they pay medical bills during the 18 month waiting period for medicaid? Folks I knew on SSD were hurting in all respects. Most of the people I know, who collect SSD need it. Unfortunately, there are others like my ex roommate, who collect full disability and then work under the table. It's the few like him, that make it hard on the rest of the people who really need it.

tazzygirl -> RE: Rush taken to hospital (1/5/2010 6:33:21 PM)
zephy the idea that women want to remain on welfare is rediculous and amounts to the same notion that welfare has a black face.... lies. they want better for themselves and their children. but, they dont want to discuss how to get them off welfare. because it may cost more money in the short run. i dont care why these people found themselves in a position that they needed it... they just needed it. but when one government agency punishes a recipient for accepting help from another angency... its time to draw the line. personally, lets pay for them to get an education.... then.. after that they are on their own. its far cheaper to pay for everything for a few years than for the rest of their lives.

CountrySong -> RE: Rush taken to hospital (1/5/2010 7:06:15 PM)
tazzygirl Ah, i get it now. We should not allow people to live off us.. but you think its perfectly ok to teach others... as long as they are known by you... to screw the system. Not screw the system but rather to work with it to eventually get free of it. But don't worry it will never happen for the same reason that their return to work will not happen. They have no incentive. They can sit and do nothing and most of them chose to do exactly that. In the end we pay for them the rest of our lives. You are a hypocrit, sponging off the rest of us, encouraging others to do so, then out the other side of your mouth bitching about welfare recipients. An I a hypocrit or just someone who is telling the truth about the system (which he worked in for several years) while also collecting on benefits that he paid insurance for for years. Lets see the last pay check they deducted about $20 for WA L and I and like I said earlier I told them how to get me off their books months ago. We all know the west coast is fucked up. In the east, it isnt that easy. Hud Housing and Social Security Disability are federal programs the benefits are often managed by the state and other agencies but that underlieing guidelines remain the same. If it really is harder to do in the east then work to make your benefits protable and move to a state that has better services and fewer restrictions. Why dont you explain why welfare recipients in some states are penalized for accepting a Pell Grant in order to go to college? I have no idea but my guess is that is for a simular reason to why WA state is sending me to "Can he work consultants" rather than just spending a $6,000 to $7,000 to get me retrained and off L and I. My guess is that they think like this - if someone gets a pell grant then they might be commited to going to college for 2 to 4 years and that would mean they would be in the system for another 2 to 4 years at least. (long term thinking is not big in the welfare and disability systems) Another reason might be that all programs have income and asset limitations and they might count the Pell Grant dollars as assets. Or they might just figure that more people might become perpetual students like some of my past clients where. Did the people jump through the right hoops. I have no solid answer for that one. My suggestion would be to get with a back to work program trainer and ask. Lets discuss child care for many of these women... toss them into a minumum wage job and they would actually make far LESS money then sitting at home watching their own kids. Exactly my point - Which is that they have no incentive to go to work because it would actually reduce their income and lifestyle. In fact one of my friends in the system was just talking about how stupid it would be for her to go back to school or back to work because of the childcare costs. What kills me about people like you is your lack of ability to state how you would fix the problem. Why dont you address your energy to solutions instead of bitching... oh... how about legal solutions and not one designed to screw everyone else over. Well being a Libertarian and not some bleeding heart liberal I believe in personal responsibility and less government. I believe that I've already talked about the primary solution - getting educated and helping those that you care about work with the system. Most of the people who are in the system and their families have many Once they know about the system then use it to build wealth until they have enough wealth to leave it forever while also being able to pay all or part of what they recieved back through the ownership of assets. I think the solution will have to come from the grass roots with people helping each other. For example, with the child care issue what if the single parents teamed up and watched each others kids while working different shifts. Then they could work while also providing their own child care. Anyway good night.

tazzygirl -> RE: Rush taken to hospital (1/5/2010 7:18:05 PM)
quote: What kills me about people like you is your lack of ability to state how you would fix the problem. Why dont you address your energy to solutions instead of bitching... oh... how about legal solutions and not one designed to screw everyone else over. Well being a Libertarian and not some bleeding heart liberal I believe in personal responsibility and less government. I believe that I've already talked about the primary solution - getting educated and helping those that you care about work with the system. Most of the people who are in the system and their families have many Once they know about the system then use it to build wealth until they have enough wealth to leave it forever while also being able to pay all or part of what they recieved back through the ownership of assets. I think the solution will have to come from the grass roots with people helping each other. For example, with the child care issue what if the single parents teamed up and watched each others kids while working different shifts. Then they could work while also providing their own child care. Anyway good night. Not so fast big boy. You are a libertarian... believe in less government.. yet are using that same government to get what you want... and you claim not to be a hypocrit.... LOL

zephyroftheNorth -> RE: Rush taken to hospital (1/5/2010 7:26:14 PM)
Of course they do, Tazzy. I'd have to double check, but in at least parts of Canada, there is a Back to Work program in which people who on Welfare must take part or they don't get their benefits. I know for sure that it exists in Ontario, I'm not sure where else in Canada it exists. Anyway it's a great program and the skills people learn are actually beneficial and result in that person being able to find a real job.

tazzygirl -> RE: Rush taken to hospital (1/5/2010 7:44:46 PM)
Its what we are supposed to have here. lol. again, politics get in the way of good decision making.

zephyroftheNorth -> RE: Rush taken to hospital (1/5/2010 7:46:25 PM)
That's a damn shame because really they are only shooting themselves in the foot by not implimenting good Return to Work programs.

tazzygirl -> RE: Rush taken to hospital (1/5/2010 8:01:41 PM)
The US has a shortage of working health care providers... said to only get worse in the next few years especially as baby boomers age. in the carolinas....a nursing assistant is a 9 month program... LPN... i year.... RN... 2-4 years... 2 - community college, 3 - hospital based program, 4 - university. All costs money... pell grants and work study programs, as well as scholarships are available.. so... usually money isnt a problem for schooling. What becomes a problem is day care, especially for evening clinicals (classes that are held within a work setting on a hospital floor). Having said all the above in an attempt to explain, i had to do many evening clinicals in hospitals. Between family and friends, i managed to make it work. not everyone has that ability. There are other professions just as easily begging for qualified employees... and these women face the same challenges. IF you truly want to get them off the system, then you have to work WITH them to get them the help they need to make getting off the system a reality. Nursing aid salary in Charlotte NC 30,100 LPN salary ................................ 46,577 RN salary ................................. 59,937 Now, keep in mind, these are starting salaries. Not bad. Better than welfare... and benefits to boot.

zephyroftheNorth -> RE: Rush taken to hospital (1/6/2010 5:22:55 AM)
Same here, to the point where our Gov't is waking up and finding a way to certify those from other countries. We also lack technologists which is why the wait for imaging is so long. But really the lack of nurses is crippling, the stress is so great due to overwork that our (my hospital) nurses are retiring as soon as they can. Interestingly we will be graduating the largest class of female doctors ever....now all we need is to give them incentives to stay. What are Pell grants? The salaries for nurses look alright but may be deceptive. I know the nurses here are vastly overworked, mostly due to understaffing, what kind of hours do the nurses there work?

CountrySong -> RE: Rush taken to hospital (1/6/2010 5:30:01 AM)
tazzygirl Not so fast big boy. You are a libertarian... believe in less government.. yet are using that same government to get what you want... and you claim not to be a hypocrit.... LOL I'm also a realist. I don't have the political power to change the system; but, I can use it's own power to help defeat it in some small manner. Like an Akido master uses his enemies power to defeat him. In the end my way leads to less government it just takes a long time. the idea that women want to remain on welfare is rediculous .... lies. they want better for themselves and their children. I wish I could say that based my experience that was true. But based on my personal experience with four of them and my job experience with dozens more it is not. No let me rephrase that they would better themselves if it was free and easy. Real world example - friend on welfare with a kid. Benefits of about $4,500 including the childs benefits. Always talk about how she was going to be a teacher. So I made it possible - college, daycare, transportation. Suddenly, she she had another excuse as to why she could not do it. Solved that one. Then came another. It is not just a female phenomina. Most of my client were male with no kids. All of them can go to school through but they don't. Even getting them to go to work was like pulling teeth. I know several who would spend their days - listening to music, playing vidoe games, and jacking off and never work if they where not forced. I think that people just want to be happy. Saying that everyone is going to be happier by doing the work needed to better themselves and their children is like saying that everyone wants to be a Dominant. The ones who want out of the system can get out; but, like you experienced it is not easy. (I don''t know if you were in the system but you at least had problems with childcare and college.) However, for all the people who want to be dominant there are more who want to be subs and slaves. With disability and welfare there are people who want out and eventually do get out. But there are also a many who do not want out because then have a sense of happiness and safety there. They get into the system and remain. Sure they often complain but when it come time to really make the effort to get out then they find an excuse not to do it. In the study of Positive Psychology there is also something called the "theory of learned helplessness." but, they dont want to discuss how to get them off welfare. because it may cost more money in the short run. i dont care why these people found themselves in a position that they needed it... they just needed it. but when one government agency punishes a recipient for accepting help from another angency... its time to draw the line. I would love to see them work together but government has no real incentive to do that. Even when they try costs and red tape often get in the way. Also the bottom line is that if the welfare system was to ever end then they would be out of a job. I know several people who are trapped in the Community Protection Program for crimes that they have never done. They simply took a test that said they might commit the crime. So they are trapped under penalty of the elimination of their major benefits like housing. Why - because they are profit centers for the government workers and private companies who control that system. personally, lets pay for them to get an education.... then.. after that they are on their own. its far cheaper to pay for everything for a few years than for the rest of their lives. If that would work then I would be all for it! (Better yet, lets provide free higher educations for everyone. That is a possibility with the internet and one that I'm working toward as my personal causes are ending homelessness and hunger.) But it would only work for the ones who realy want out of the system. The rest would either not use it or become perpetual students. (I also know several who are perpetual students.)

tazzygirl -> RE: Rush taken to hospital (1/6/2010 8:35:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: zephyroftheNorth Same here, to the point where our Gov't is waking up and finding a way to certify those from other countries. We also lack technologists which is why the wait for imaging is so long. But really the lack of nurses is crippling, the stress is so great due to overwork that our (my hospital) nurses are retiring as soon as they can. Interestingly we will be graduating the largest class of female doctors ever....now all we need is to give them incentives to stay. What are Pell grants? The salaries for nurses look alright but may be deceptive. I know the nurses here are vastly overworked, mostly due to understaffing, what kind of hours do the nurses there work? Pell Grants are a federal handout based upon inome to gain an education. The less you can contribute to your education - and your family can contribute depending on your age - the more the grant supplies towards the cost. Nurses here cannot be forced to work overtime. Shift work is a bitch, nurse to patient ratio is overwhelming. Many nurses are leaving the profession due to nurn out. Many have gone to part time or agency work.

zephyroftheNorth -> RE: Rush taken to hospital (1/6/2010 9:37:01 AM)
quote: Nurses here cannot be forced to work overtime. Shift work is a bitch, nurse to patient ratio is overwhelming. Many nurses are leaving the profession due to nurn out. Many have gone to part time or agency work. Nurses here have no choice but to work overtime, there aren't enough nurses to cover shifts. Oh you'll like this, the Govt's solution to the nursing shortage was to try to legislate a 4-day work week and reduce the number of paid statutory holidays to two. Never mind that clinics run 5 days a week so there would be clinics without nurses...unless some work overtime, which is at a higher salary of course.

tazzygirl -> RE: Rush taken to hospital (1/6/2010 9:43:41 AM)
LOL they dont get it. I worked for a University hospital in the south when i was agency working. They called the night before New Years Eve wanting me to work Labor and Delivery. I told my agency, sure.. for triple time. They paid it. 90 an hour to work a 12 hour shift because they could not get one of their own nurses to cover. ~edited to add~ The 90 didnt include the agency's payment.

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