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ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Rush taken to hospital (1/4/2010 11:37:43 AM)

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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

To all of our liberal friends out there who have missed Rush. He will be back on the air this coming Wednesday, Jan. 6th...Same time, same station..


Thank god. Let's hope he jumps right back into it with both feet. 16 hour days, 7 day weeks. Work it, Rush! Give it your all!



CountrySong -> RE: Rush taken to hospital (1/4/2010 11:40:03 AM)

rulemylife You will have to spell it out because I find it hard to believe anyone on welfare is making $44,400 dollars a year, as you claim.
Okay:
SSI - 661 (Remember SSI is the bottom of the barrel most other disability programs pay more.)
Rent Subsidy - 600
Medical with full perscription and mental health coverage - 1000
Food Stamps - 100
Food Bank - 100
Utility Subsidy - 75 (heat, electric, and cable all have discounts)
Transportation Subsidy - 80 to 120 (Bus and discount Taxi script)
Entertainment Subsidy - 25 to 250 (In WA if you are disabled your get a special pass to get into a lot of things free. Zoo, aquarium, movies, museums, etc)

Trust me, my EX was on benefits and we went around and around on the subject of gettting married but I would have had to make an extra 3200 to replace her benefits. I have over 200 hours of training on SSI, SSD, Medicare, Medicaid, and other benefit programs. it cost a heck of a lot more to replace the benefits than most people who are on benefits could make.



CountrySong -> RE: Rush taken to hospital (1/4/2010 11:50:11 AM)

kdsub The government is just people...no less capable then outside management.
110% wrong. The government is by it's very nature less capable than outside management because it has no profit incentive. In business if you deliver a product at a lower cost than your original budget you typically get rewarded with higher profits. The government has no such inventive. In fact, in government if you deliver your service at a lower cost than your original budget then you typically get penalized by having your budget cut for the following year.



mnottertail -> RE: Rush taken to hospital (1/4/2010 11:51:43 AM)

thanks for the update. Could you go into some detail and use lets say-----GM as an example, or Enron or something??????????

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CountrySong -> RE: Rush taken to hospital (1/4/2010 12:03:32 PM)

mnottertail thanks for the update. Could you go into some detail and use lets say-----GM as an example, or Enron or something??????????
No ottertail I can't go into detail using GM or Enron. First of all I've never worked for those compainies. Secondly at least in Enrons case there was a substantial amount of fraud going on.
But I have worked at Microsoft and run my own compaines. I've also worked for the government and charities that were funded by the government. The bottom line is that in business the goal is profit and in government the goal is to spend all that you can so that you can get even more. Just look at Washington state. A few years ago we had huge revenue surpluses. Did we pay off our bond issues and save the rest of the money. Hell NO! We went on a spending spree.



CountrySong -> RE: Rush taken to hospital (1/4/2010 12:09:25 PM)

Here is an idea - If you want national healthcare and more welfare programs. Then you go work an extra job and have the government create a special tax for people like you who voted for those programs instead of stealing from hard working people who earn there own way, pay for their own insurance, and don't agree with you.

By the way - believe it or not I actually support a lot of social programs - ending homelessness and feeding the hungery for example. However, as a Libertarian I do not support forcing other people to pay for the causes I believe in.

I'm working to end homelessness but I will never agree to a new tax or entitlement to do that. the government has proven time and time again that they are clueless when it comes to spending. The latest example is the renovations of the public housing in Seattle. Every resident I've talked to agrees and I've talked to about 25% of one of the buildings.



mnottertail -> RE: Rush taken to hospital (1/4/2010 12:16:41 PM)

so, neither is arguably more efficient, one just has a profit motive for the purposes of filling their own pockets. Oh, but government does that too...OK, I will have to have you waltz me thru the underlying rightness of this again.

You claim it is good (I am thinking) but cannot present evidence of its good.

Microsoft? LOLOLOLOFUCKING L. Bad example.




CountrySong -> RE: Rush taken to hospital (1/4/2010 12:32:25 PM)

Okay ottertail here is the rightness from my point of veiw - the Government steals from me and others so that they can spend $1.25 million to create a $50,000 job. They also steal $950 Billion (about $3000 per person in the USA) to fund wars I do not believe in. If a business did that they would go out of business in a very short time. However, the government never goes out of business.
The government simply create more taxes and generates inflation to cover the cost. Both of which mean I have to earn more to maintain my lifestyle. (The Ohbummer administration has already stated that part of it plan to pay for the stimulus program is to generate 25% inflation over the next 5 to 7 years. Guess what that is going to do to the people already on benefits? Some of my friends who are on benefits are really scared.)



zephyroftheNorth -> RE: Rush taken to hospital (1/4/2010 12:38:55 PM)

You yourself have said you could work, provided that modifications were made so how do you justify staying on benefits? I ask this because of your saying the government

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- the Government steals from me and others so that they can spend $1.25 million to create a $50,000 job. They also steal $950 Billion (about $3000 per person in the USA) to fund wars I do not believe in. If a business did that they would go out of business in a very short time.


Isn't taking government money for benefits you don't need stealing, or do you justify it by saying they are stealing from you?



mnottertail -> RE: Rush taken to hospital (1/4/2010 12:39:14 PM)

Uh, united fruit.......GM, AIG, Banks, and more......yeah, they go out of business, they certainly aint robbing us?

united fruit among others got us in a war.



zephyroftheNorth -> RE: Rush taken to hospital (1/4/2010 12:42:39 PM)

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united fruit among others got us in a war.


Interesting, Ron, how so?



mnottertail -> RE: Rush taken to hospital (1/4/2010 12:49:08 PM)

fucked up with cuba, guatemala, spanish american war...........the united states tried to dislodge spain from control of these places so united et al could do the banana republic trip down there, why the fuck should spain exploit them when they were our neighbors, way easier for us to exploit them.

Ron



kdsub -> RE: Rush taken to hospital (1/4/2010 1:31:37 PM)

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ORIGINAL: CountrySong

kdsub The government is just people...no less capable then outside management.
110% wrong. The government is by it's very nature less capable than outside management because it has no profit incentive. In business if you deliver a product at a lower cost than your original budget you typically get rewarded with higher profits. The government has no such inventive. In fact, in government if you deliver your service at a lower cost than your original budget then you typically get penalized by having your budget cut for the following year.


I don't believe that...I worked in the public sector from 1963-2005... I supervised many people in that undertaking and the vast majority of them were hard workers proud of their accomplishments. I always took pride in doing the best job I could...does that mean because you worked for the government you were a poor employee?

Maybe you were just unlucky enough to work for a poor supervisor. I'll bet most government workers take pride in their work...People tend to generalize too often because of one particular circumstance. I have faith in people and our government is the biggest employer there is and we do pretty good as a nation.

But let me say one more time...there is waste...there needs to be a tightening of the reins in this poor economic time…I’m all for it…but I refuse to blame the worker and say they are less capable because there is no bottom line profit. Good workers work for pride not bottom line.

Butch




Moonhead -> RE: Rush taken to hospital (1/4/2010 1:39:07 PM)

That's an interesting point, Butch. No idea if it works the same way in the 'States, but one of the local councils' big idea for saving money during the credit crunch is to lay off front line staff, rather than (say) reducing the number high level management staff who aren't doing anything much for their salaries, or cutting their expenses. They even paid off somebody who phoned in sick for a fortnight as he was sulking as he wasn't offered the CEO job after his immediate superior quit to take a job on a less broke council. I'd say it was unbelievable, but it's frighteningly easy to credit.



thompsonx -> RE: Rush taken to hospital (1/4/2010 2:22:07 PM)

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rulemylife You will have to spell it out because I find it hard to believe anyone on welfare is making $44,400 dollars a year, as you claim.
Okay:
SSI - 661 (Remember SSI is the bottom of the barrel most other disability programs pay more.)
Rent Subsidy - 600
Medical with full perscription and mental health coverage - 1000
Food Stamps - 100
Food Bank - 100
Utility Subsidy - 75 (heat, electric, and cable all have discounts)
Transportation Subsidy - 80 to 120 (Bus and discount Taxi script)
Entertainment Subsidy - 25 to 250 (In WA if you are disabled your get a special pass to get into a lot of things free. Zoo, aquarium, movies, museums, etc)

Trust me, my EX was on benefits and we went around and around on the subject of gettting married but I would have had to make an extra 3200 to replace her benefits. I have over 200 hours of training on SSI, SSD, Medicare, Medicaid, and other benefit programs. it cost a heck of a lot more to replace the benefits than most people who are on benefits could make.


You have still failed to come anywhere near the $44,400 you claimed.
I notice you also list items that while they may be available are not necessaily used.
You do not seem to be very clear as to what you are trying to say. Is welfare bad or good?
Is it possible that what you have seen is not representative of what goes on elsewhere?

T.



Moonhead -> RE: Rush taken to hospital (1/4/2010 2:52:52 PM)

Would you even get a transport subsidy and the free entertainment for disabled people at the same time? I'd assume the former is to help people who can't run a car to work, and positive discrimination hasn't made enough impact on the American employment market to make the disabled very desirable employees.



CountrySong -> RE: Rush taken to hospital (1/5/2010 12:09:19 AM)

kdsub does that mean because you worked for the government you were a poor employee?
No it's not the worker at all. I've known people who where in government and non-profits who where extremely passionate about what they did. For example, Mr Ohbummer is very passionate and a very hard worker. It's the core value of not for profit verses for profit that makes them poorer managers from a financial standpoint.
The money is not coming out of their pockets, they get penalized for not spending, and often their passion blinds them when it comes to other peoples freedoms! They have the power to steal our money with very little consequence and use it for things many of us do not support.



CountrySong -> RE: Rush taken to hospital (1/5/2010 12:17:42 AM)

Moonhead Would you even get a transport subsidy and the free entertainment for disabled people at the same time? I'd assume the former is to help people who can't run a car to work, and positive discrimination hasn't made enough impact on the American employment market to make the disabled very desirable employees.
Yes in my state they get both.  And the transport subsidy has nothing to do with work. It has to do with the ADA, public transportation, and the need to get to basic services. In my area we have three forms - bus discounts, private vans, and taxi script.



CountrySong -> RE: Rush taken to hospital (1/5/2010 12:32:29 AM)

thompsonx You have still failed to come anywhere near the $44,400 you claimed.
I notice you also list items that while they may be available are not necessaily used.
You do not seem to be very clear as to what you are trying to say. Is welfare bad or good?
Is it possible that what you have seen is not representative of what goes on elsewhere?
That was just a mid-level example the utility, medical, and food benefits can go even higher. In fact in one program called the community protection program the benefits provided are over $100,000 per year. Also it was based on a single person. Single parents with kids get even more benefits.
It was part of my job to make sure they got all of those benefits so yes I'm sure they where using them all.
I'm saying that welfare based on my experience (which includeds clients, friends, relatives, and myself) provides very little incentive to work and get out of the system. It is financially safer to stay in the system than to risk you benefits by going to a minimum wage job. Which makes it bad from the standpoint that they are trapped in the system and taking money from others rather than supporting themselves.
I don't know what goes on in other states other than the west coast - WA, CA, OR, and ID.



CountrySong -> RE: Rush taken to hospital (1/5/2010 12:48:16 AM)

zephyroftheNorth You yourself have said you could work, provided that modifications were made so how do you justify staying on benefits? I ask this because of your saying the government  Isn't taking government money for benefits you don't need stealing, or do you justify it by saying they are stealing from you?
I justify it because I can legally do it and it makes financial sense. I have no risk; plenty of money to meet my needs, travel, and build my savings, less pain, full nedical coverage; and 24 hours a day of free time. (Which is my total point the welfare system provides little financial incentive to get out of it.)
Yes, I can work. Yes, I've told them that. Yes, I would need some retraining to update my skills, a couple of accomidations for my injury, and a few month of coverage to get started - total cost about $6,000 (Which I've also told them). But instead of doing that they are sending me to a "Can This Person Work Specialist" and leaving me on benefits for another few months.
Like I said free vacation!!! Plenty of time and money to read, travel, party, and have fun!



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