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RE: Is your D/s disposition mostly rooted in you Id, yo... - 1/2/2010 10:48:32 AM   
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Narcissism is basically an overdeveloped superego that cannot tolerate imperfection - when the Superego model is so idealized as to be unattainable, the ego suffers, and seeks validation elsewhere, externally - i.e., most people like to think of themselves as successful, the Narcissist basically can't ever be successful enough however, and cannot be content with a happy medium - it can be sex, money, fame - whatever standard of measurement their superego is telling them they are inadequate in.

One has to rationally internalize ones limits, and deal with the fact that we are all basically, imperfect, or else we end up driven by an insatiable superego to chase after that which continually evades our grasp.

Machismo is one example - i.e., a man can be so consumed with the need to have his maleness validated that his ego becomes defensive, and he cannot tolerate any hint of the feminine in other men as it threatens the fragile balance of his identity - he becomes a kind of exaggerated cartoon of masculinity.

The whole gay "beefcake" culture is one result, fascinatingly enough, i.e., exaggeration of one or more traits to compensate for a deficit in another.

We're all like this a little bit, but when it becomes pathological it can lead to anti-social behavior.

It's also perhaps the reason religious fundamentalists are so aggressive: they have the most unattainable superego models of all, hence they validate themselves through denial, often by harassing those they deem "inferior".

To call another woman a "slut" is, in some sense, merely advertising your own virtue, to call someone "gay" (in the pejorative sense), is to defensively market your own heterosexuality.

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RE: Is your D/s disposition mostly rooted in you Id, yo... - 1/2/2010 10:57:55 AM   
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Masculinity is basically the result of a Testosterone/estrogen balance - when I work a long and particularly difficult and physically demanding job, my behavior tends to become more gonadal and I'm less inclined to compromise - I become more masculine than I might be otherwise. Most people attribute this to genetics, but it's really just an adaptive response.

Similarly, when males compete over females, their testicles literally increase in size and they express more androgens, increasing the incidence and intensity of gonadal displays - often to the point of sociopathic violence if they cannot find a more sociable way to compromise.

It's why polygynic cultures tend to be more violent, taken to their logical conclusions, historically.

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RE: Is your D/s disposition mostly rooted in you Id, yo... - 1/2/2010 5:47:51 PM   
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What part of my imagination is id, ego .or S.ego, becouse I can get a woody just by thinking of something, without an actual event occurring? What  is the part of Freud's formula that deals with fantasy, That's where I wanna stay. It's what drives my desire.My imagination, Thus becoming learned experence. I can basicly trace my kinks backwards in time as learned behaviors. All started as that thought of " oh what will THAT feel like"

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RE: Is your D/s disposition mostly rooted in you Id, yo... - 1/4/2010 2:15:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika
A little off topic, but I think it ties in nicely. For me, I think my super-ego kicks in the rationale that no one is perfect and knows that I must evolve and look beneath the surface in order to reach my ideal and goals. Also, my own personal desires might not mesh with hegemony. Maybe I think a little beer belly is cute. As a friend always says, why have a six-pack when you can have a keg! Ha ha! Maybe someone will find me adorable in a robe and slippers and my hair in curlers (sorry, I don't schlep... in fact, I'm not even sure what schlep means!), thinking I'm showing him a vulnerable side of me, one I share with no one else, and likes the result when I finish getting ready.

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Well, as some wit once observed, marriage is essentially a license for debauchery - presumably, being off the market, it shouldn't matter much if you let yourself go to seed.

I think it has become somewhat less of a cliche in these days of no fault divorce and there's more incentive to keep projecting some of the superficial aspects of the old superego identity in case you end up back on the market.

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RE: Is your D/s disposition mostly rooted in you Id, yo... - 1/5/2010 10:53:06 AM   
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ORIGINAL: stella41b

Hmm interesting..

Only the id, ego and super-ego was revised by Dr Eric Berne into his (correspondingly) Child, Adult and Parent ego states for Transactional Analysis which I have myself have revised further as Experience, Self and Character in my own theory of universal theatre. I now call it DTA - Dramatic Transactional Analysis.

You see to me living is nothing more than a preoccupation with relationships - with yourself, with other people, with inanimate objects, with abstract concepts, with the world in general. Relationships happen in cycles and are cyclical in nature. Your relationship with your place of work is cyclical, you turn up at the office in the morning, you work through the day, you go home in the afternoon whenever you can knock off and you expect a salary every month. Same too with your partner, right down to the jiggy jiggy and kinky stuff, it's all cyclical.

But all relationships require both language and communication. Therefore we have:

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Some people create pressure on others (and others are put under such pressure) to communicate in ways which suits their own style of communication. Another element of communication is domination and submission, control and power, which occurs to some degree in most transactions between people. In fact some people seek out such communication styles and even form intimate relationships on the basis of such transactions and relationship cycles.


This is from my book 'You Me Them'..

Therefore to me your 'D/s disposition' is found in all three ego states because it's part of who you really are. It doesn't matter whether this was something natural which always existed within you or developed as a result of an experience in the past - it's still a part of you.

Now let's see how this works by way of an example. Let's take spanking for example. You have a male submissive who into spanking. He likes to be spanked. This need often manifests itself when he's insecure, or in a stressful situation and there are a lot of guys who in this situation will be looking for Madame Whiplash or Miss Parker Stern HeadMistress. This is quite normal, when we feel insecure or stressed we tend to reach out for the familiar even if it means going back to past or redundant relationship cycles. This is also why a straightforward bare bottom spanking doesn't always cut it for Mr Spanko, as he often needs to be taken back to the past (back into his Experience ego state or id) and given some traditional domestic discipline or a schoolroom scene, where he can go back into Character (the super-ego) as the naughty little boy who is being dealt with, and this hits the button and fulfils that need for discipline and gives him reassurance and self-confidence. Quite a few sissy maids go through a similar sort of process but in a different way.

Similarly as a dominant or submissive you slip into Character (super-ego) for scenes and play but the need comes from your Experience (id) and is very much related to Self (ego). It's all part of you, and all the three ego states are linked to each other to form a whole.
It kinda slipped between the cracks Stella, but you got my attention here - is your book available somewhere?

The bit about domination through the superego "agent" is a bit more relevant to the discussion here.

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RE: Is your D/s disposition mostly rooted in you Id, yo... - 1/6/2010 11:34:49 AM   
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When I say my identification as a dominant issues from my ego, I mean to say that I decided to pursue it as a practical matter - I've always been kinky, my kinky side is an effect of my basic curiosity, what makes things tick, and there is a certain amount poking and prodding involved in that process. I like very feminine, submissive women, but I'm an egalitarian at heart, and I like tomboys and strong women almost as much.

I can pretty much accept you however you are, but I'm past the point of accommodating it if it interferes with my agenda, I no longer have the flexibility in that area I once had, and I have a much lower tolerance for drama and bullshit than I used to.

I can respect you for who you are, but I demand the same respect in return. This has caused problems in the past, not with women who have internalized their submissive natures, which I can accept, but with women who have had been assigned to submissive roles and aren't accustomed to the degree of autonomy I tend to allow - they go nuts, off the rails, they can't seem to cope with anything but complete control from the get go, whereas with stronger women, my urge to push the envelope often ends up coming into conflict with their self image and I will tend to simply allow them to withdraw, as I'm not really interested in watching any messy identity crisis meltdowns.

Thing is, I do possess both an insanely exacting superego, and a proportionately insatiable Id - I just normally keep them on a relatively short leash. That freaks a lot of people out too, when those two start conspiring.

Because of my nature, I don't necessarily project dominance into every situation: curiosity leads initially, to observation, and observation is largely a passive activity - I kind of creep up on you rather than hitting you over the head with a club, I tend to start slow and gather momentum - which is at odds with how people tend to perceive things in an instant gratification society, where people are quick to jump to conclusions - they just don't have the attention spans or the patience to play it out, so I've had to develop some faster, shorter wavelength moves.

And it's all good, but I do crave that sort of total commitment: that antediluvian madness, better to burn out than to fade away, damn the torpedo's - passion really.

It's pretty schizo, the urge to both lose it and maintain at the same time - that's why I love it - you go places that words are simply inadequate to describe.

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