Real0ne
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OK, unreal one, against my better judgment...
Now is that any way to talk about someone who is bringing you the Law? You can take this stuff into court with you if you wanted to. If you call me unreal when I am posting definitions out of law books just think about what people are thinking about you?
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
Several people have mentioned some version of born to citizenship as implicit consent. You haven't answered it, just thrust it aside with your chains mantra--which, incidentally, is an easy shot, not any profound realization....
oh thats what the trouble is.
Granted I dont have the latest fresh off the press law dictionaries (not that they change much), but the word you would use in court would typically be "implied" not implicit though you could argue they are synonymous....to stick with standard terms used in court.
Ok but do you realize what you are saying there?
We already know from the legal definition I posted earlier that the word "citizen" carries with it in its definition the term "under" something....someone.... hence the "subject to" et al....
I suppose that depends on your status.
Lets start from the top and go from there.
If you are a slave (and you are btw), when your children are born they belong to the master because you belong to the Master. They can take them away if they dont like the way you handle them and there aint a damn thing you can do about it because you consented.
I suppose for you its moot because in an earlier post you stood up and "proudly" proclaimed your consent to what seemed like everything! (but I will play)
So can dyncorp corporation make you a defacto citizen of dyncorp? You would laugh at that.... who the fuck are they! They cant do that!
Can the "united states" corporation make you a defacto citizen of the united states? Well they did.
Then you agreed on literally every piece of paper you ever signed... "Are you a US citizen" Yes__ No__
You checked yes of course!
No "Lawful" government can "make" you be a citizen.
You volunteer for it. Even if its nothing more than a corporation.
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which, incidentally, is an easy shot, not any profound realization...language is chains, religion is chains, parents are chains, the environment is chains...we're influenced by the surroundings we grow in. Instead, what's your answer? A real answer.
I believe my chains comment was referring to the watermark on the birth certificate surety bond that the government issues against their entitlements.
And to a free man God is the chains...then again you will die some day so that is a chain and so forth and so on.
If your eye is open it cant be closed and so forth and so on....more chains... Frankly those are non arguments.
Jumping from law as we know it to extreme philosophical hair splitting does nothing to change the underlying principles of the law in this country.
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Say, for example, we adopted a case by case consent model--it would be a model for chaos. Presumably, children would be considered consenting as wards of their parents until...what....16? They can leave school then, so go with that.
Adopted? It already is a case by case model in government. Presumably is not the best word to use around a common law guy like me. It means "you are shooting in the dark, guessing".
Children prior to the age of reason have no choice but to be wards of their parents. Who would change their diapers? You?
How do you figure chaos? Anarchy?
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Ask everyone on birthday number 16 if they consent.
Well that is express consent if they require a direct answer from you.
They dont...
They simply give you a candy bar and send you a bill to pay not only for the candy bar but the factory too and then have the "legal" authority to enforce the payment if you wish to know exactly how its done.
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If they do, they're citizens. If not---what? Send them where?
why send them anywhere? How do you feel their "citizenship" or lack thereof affects you in any negative way what so ever?
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We can't let them wander around as illegal non-citizens.
Says who?
Why would you think that "citizen" is the only possibile answer? I am not a US citizen and get this: "NEITHER" am I unlawful or unlawfully here.
Do you have an explanation for that?
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Or let them stay but deny them rights and privileges
Well I think you have a bit of a problem there because I have more rights than you do! Not only do I have the full rights as envisioned in the counstitution but I have every right that I can think of as well.
My rights are unalienable. Yours are negotiable. In fact I have the political status of a king and you have the political status of a slave...
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--voting, driving, passports, health care, employment? Imprison them? Kill them? What country would want them if we deported them?
Well those are all club member corporate privileges.
Voting is a privilege for club members.
Driving is privilege...its commercial, and therefore regulated.
Travel, you need no license, no tags and all that crap. (but dont try it unless you got your shit in one basket)
you certainly do not need to be a citizen to have a passport.
health care? you mom can sew up your leg when its cut if she knows how.....and that one doesnt even make sense since it certainly is not a right. sounds more like an agenda based plug to me.
Employment? another corporate/commercial term that permanently hooks you in as a US citizen. (check your masterfile at the irs lol)
Kill or deport? Lil ole me?
Now see if you tried to do that I would be forced to take everything you own or everything you would ever own from you.
This is all slave talk....you dont know who you are or shall I say who you "could" be.
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Or have no government?
scary isnt it? leaving the nest can always be fearful if you do not know what you are getting into when you walk outside.
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Crime just climbs, survival of the lucky,
Hardly! Since when do you need government to fight crime? Did they save your neighbor from getting robbed? The check out clerk from getting shot? Hell no of course not. How could they? Police protection is a fantasy, racket better fits....
They are really good at logging in the incident though for the record after the fact and the dirty deed is done.
If you want to stop crime buy a gun and learn how to use it.
Besides the government wants crime!
do you have a vague idea how much a felony indictment is worth to the government?
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economy tanks because private interests can't be protected, massive depression and unemployment ensue...
Well what do you expect? You allowed them to get rid of the civilian militia! Whos fault is that? They were too expensive right?
Thats the excuse used and slaves buy it literally every time....
How do you figger the economy would tank?
Massive depression?
You mean worse than these manufactured crisises?
Do you feel people will no longer need to eat and buy goods or are you talking baout nintendo ipod and blackberry econonomy?
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not to mention that such a weak government in a land so rich in national resources would be a tempting and easy target for other more realistic countries.
Now that is another story. The army was supposed to be roughly what we have with our national gaurds today and not a "standing" army that forces by use of arms the rest of the world into our commercial tyranny.
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Put down the joint. Time to grow up and see the world as it is.
Nah you finish it man I dont smoke.
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
But if you've a case for it, other than ranting about chains, let's see it. With consideration of the consequences.
Well I did. several in fact. You see no amount of cases or proofs will convince anyone of anything.
I could say that 2x4 is going to hit you in the head if you do not duck and after it does the response goes somehting like "but I hardly felt it!)
You will notice that I do not get real involved with the leftee rightee and other parlor talking points.
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