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RE: Did you consent to be governed? - 1/7/2010 7:24:08 PM   
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That is simply nonsense, real, You need one "Of live birth in the USA", which according to the Constitution makes you a citizen, and subject to the laws thereof.


Please provide evidence that a non citizen can get a US passport. Not holding my breath, just wanted to demonstrate that you are posting nonsense.

But I do grasp that you are simply trolling for weak minded folks.....


So then they lied to you in the declaration of independence huh?

Its not the consent of the governed?

So your claim is that in reality we live in a feudal society then? The government claims you like a farmer claims a calf?  Against or without your consent?

Interesting.  How did you come to that conclusion?


Yeh the passport is done all the time....I have not done it personally but know of people who have....now that wont work that I am aware of with the social security number.


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RE: Did you consent to be governed? - 1/7/2010 7:25:36 PM   
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Bardanak is a case? Google has zero resturns on it. http://www.google.com/search?q=bardanak&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-ContextMenu&ie=&oe= Is there a reason you don't want to give the actuall details so we can examine it...besides it being bullshit, and you know it?


I said it sounds like he is looking for a person as a case as that is the best his question was framed.


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RE: Did you consent to be governed? - 1/7/2010 7:26:41 PM   
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RE: Did you consent to be governed? - 1/7/2010 7:28:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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Bardanak is a case? Google has zero resturns on it. http://www.google.com/search?q=bardanak&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-ContextMenu&ie=&oe= Is there a reason you don't want to give the actuall details so we can examine it...besides it being bullshit, and you know it?


I said it sounds like he is looking for a person as a case as that is the best his question was framed.



I have noticed you often resort to posting nonsense like the highlighted sentance when caught making shit up.

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RE: Did you consent to be governed? - 1/7/2010 7:32:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: luckydawg

let the record show that Real is unable to back up his nonsense claims.




well I cna call a few friends if you want to buy them the airfare for a nice alaska tour and weeks vacation on your nickle man...

Hayl yeh!

You up for it I will round a few up for you so they can give you the proof you need...

fair enough lucky?


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RE: Did you consent to be governed? - 1/7/2010 7:35:51 PM   
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and are unable to back up your claims.

That your words have nothing behind them, and you are an intellectuall coward.

That is indeed fair enough.

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RE: Did you consent to be governed? - 1/7/2010 7:38:57 PM   
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Sure, you showed us all that you lie.


and are unable to back up your claims.

That is indeed fair enough.


No I didnt.

I showed that you make frivolous claims that I lied.  Some things never change do they lucky.

Oh and I am so sorry for the mispelling on barnak...  only took a second to find him....

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4944712480955285875

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RE: Did you consent to be governed? - 1/7/2010 7:42:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: luckydawg

Sure, you showed us all that you lie.


and are unable to back up your claims.

That your words have nothing behind them, and you are an intellectuall coward.

That is indeed fair enough.


good I will get a hold of them and see where and what they want to do add up the trip, you will put the money in an irrevokable letter of credit and then you can shake their hands in person....

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RE: Did you consent to be governed? - 1/7/2010 7:47:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		why are you so scared to back up your claims? actually I know why. barnak? who the fuck is that? what relevance is it? http://www.google.com/search?q=barnak&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-ContextMenu&ie=&oe= there is nothing there that backs your claim.

as usuall you are just making shit up.


so are you going to back up your claim about the passport or not?

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RE: Did you consent to be governed? - 1/7/2010 7:48:46 PM   
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why are you so scared to back up your claims? actually I know why. barnak? who the fuck is that? what relevance is it? http://www.google.com/search?q=barnak&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-ContextMenu&ie=&oe= there is nothing there that backs your claim.

as usuall you are just making shit up.


so are you going to back up your claim about the passport or not?


Looks like we cross posted LOLOL


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4944712480955285875


you wanna see who a sovereign is this guy is real public about it.

Has fun running stop signs speeding and being all kinds of naughty just to prove his point.


< Message edited by Real0ne -- 1/7/2010 7:50:45 PM >

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RE: Did you consent to be governed? - 1/7/2010 7:55:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		Actually Badnarik, is a citizen, and has run for office several times, including for President. He has no special powers to run a stop sign or break the law.


This is really getting boring.

I challenged you on one spoecific claim you made.

You are unable to back it up.

I am going out for the evening.

Have fun posting nonsense.

PS Brain is probably your best mark here these days.

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RE: Did you consent to be governed? - 1/7/2010 8:06:38 PM   
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Actually Badnarik, is a citizen, and has run for office several times, including for President. He has no special powers to run a stop sign or break the law.


This is really getting boring.

I challenged you on one spoecific claim you made.

You are unable to back it up.

I am going out for the evening.

Have fun posting nonsense.

PS Brain is probably your best mark here these days.



sure he does and did...   waltzes in and out of court...

You fail to distinguish between law and code...

well we can all be considered a citizen to something....

Not all citizens are created equal.

We are citizens to God you know.

I know he ran for office and I expect he would be an American Citizen which is the most loosley tied pretty much meaning your duties end at protecting your neighbor in a fire fight of an invasion.

You on the other hand are a federal citizen and subject to that constitution.

You fail to distinguish that minor fact.  Even a king is a Citizen of the country he owns.

Sort of lame trying to imply all citizens are equal or was your goal just to attach the word citizen?

< Message edited by Real0ne -- 1/7/2010 8:08:32 PM >

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RE: Did you consent to be governed? - 1/7/2010 8:10:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: luckydawg

That is simply nonsense, real, You need one "Of live birth in the USA", which according to the Constitution makes you a citizen, and subject to the laws thereof.


Please provide evidence that a non citizen can get a US passport. Not holding my breath, just wanted to demonstrate that you are posting nonsense.

But I do grasp that you are simply trolling for weak minded folks.....


So then they lied to you in the declaration of independence huh?

Its not the consent of the governed?

So your claim is that in reality we live in a feudal society then? The government claims you like a farmer claims a calf?  Against or without your consent?

Interesting.  How did you come to that conclusion?


Yeh the passport is done all the time....I have not done it personally but know of people who have....now that wont work that I am aware of with the social security number.



Oh yeh when you come back feel free to elaborate on that little master piece...


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RE: Did you consent to be governed? - 1/7/2010 9:00:43 PM   
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I don't want the indoctrination, the registration nor any damn thing at all.

T


I wonder how many people out here can fathom the real life depths of what you said here.


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"We the Borg" of the us imperialists....resistance is futile

Democracy; The 'People' voted on 'which' amendment?

Yesterdays tinfoil is today's reality!

"No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session

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RE: Did you consent to be governed? - 1/8/2010 12:16:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		You babble on and on, yet refuse to give an example of person getting a passport with out being a US citizen.

You have refused to give a single court case showing badarnik can do these things.

you post gibbberish. enjoy

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RE: Did you consent to be governed? - 1/8/2010 6:07:36 AM   
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ORIGINAL: luckydawg

You babble on and on, yet refuse to give an example of person getting a passport with out being a US citizen.

You have refused to give a single court case showing badarnik can do these things.

you post gibbberish. enjoy



1) no one asked for a court case for bardinak, not even you. 

Nothing like pretending a question was asked and blaming them on some one to discredit them huh... 

2)  I told you I personally did not get one of those passports but I know people who who have.  I further told you that that if you pay for the airfare I am sure they would stop in and visit you if you need the proof.  So stop your whining and misrepresenting the point.

3) We are still waiting for you to explain how the declaration of independence requires consent to be a citizen and how you think the 14th forces everyone born here to be a citizen without their consent.

I cant wait to see how you will confess, defer and mischaracterize it this time. 





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RE: Did you consent to be governed? - 1/8/2010 6:16:29 AM   
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We are citizens to God you know.

I don't think that one's in your constitution, mate.

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RE: Did you consent to be governed? - 1/8/2010 6:39:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
We are citizens to God you know.

I don't think that one's in your constitution, mate.


HAHA

Of course!

That was just an example for the black and whiters that try to force round pegs in square holes that being a citizen can be used in many different senses.

It is used in 2 distinct senses in the us constitution.

Rest assured this discussion will never approach that level of discourse among those who do not even understand the fundamentals.


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RE: Did you consent to be governed? - 1/8/2010 5:27:33 PM   
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So:

Have you consented to be governed?

I would place my bet on all of you did!


That being the case why all the whining about what your fearless

"leaders" are doing et al when they use the blank check you gave them?

Would you all deny that when you join the club you have to pay the club dues and follow the club rules?

This does not make sense to me.....Why not just be happy and let them govern for you in accordance with your agreement per the contract?






With that "consent" comes expectations
Those who govern us, must have unquestionable ethics
Those who govern us must be free of hidden agendas
Those who govern us must act in a fiscal responsible manner
Those who govern us must truly know what is best for the people of the country and impliment it.

These are some of the rules of the game, This is what I consented to.
Those who govern us



well actually you did not consent to that at all.

If you did it would be in the constitution.

It is your duty however to enforce those ethics on the government.

Only people give the constitution force in law. 

By itself it is meaningless.

Like ben franklin said we gave you a republic if you can keep it.

well so far we for all intents and purposes lost it.


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RE: Did you consent to be governed? - 1/9/2010 12:26:51 AM   
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People do not consent to their a-tturn-on-me making a back room deal with the judge or adverserial party either but its done all the time.  WHY?  Because you gave consent and giving consent is no different than giving power of attorney!!
 


There's an expenses scandal going on in England - basically members of Parliament have been inflating their expenses in order to get more out of the tax payer. Under your definition we gave consent to this. In actual fact - members of Parliament are being forced to repay the money and those guilty of the worst excesses are facing criminal proceedings (all due to public pressure).
 
So - where you adopt the terms control/governed/consent to mean a blank cheque simply by virtue of the principles of government - then yes you are somewhere near mark. This does't match reality however - the evidence tells us they do not have a blank cheque - when they overstep the mark they are reined in.

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Now rome has never been taken by england by conquest and I have no knowledge that those contracts have ever been broken as in agreed to by both parties.  So that is quite conceivable imo.
 


Tony Blair is steeped in the liberal interventionist tradition which is underpinned by christian values i.e. the idea that we have a duty to help other people around the world which of course is underpinned by the notion that England and Christianity knows best.

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

So he may have been in conformance with rule of law which is structured to protect the monarchy from the rules. so to speak.



The British monarchy have next to zero political power. Since Oliver Cromwell and the puritans established Parliament as the sole law maker successive governments have made statements in the House of Commons advising the monarchy to know their place - which isn't politics. The reason the current Queen is so popular is because she hasn't put a foot out of place and has played by the monarchical rules - it's widely believed that the monarchy would have been done away with had it not been for this current Queen. But there is some concern over the next in line to the throne who is pestering Parliament with a series of letters about his political concerns - particularly nature/the environment. Parliament aren't happy about it - nor are the press - and that's just sending letters.

I'll give you an example. The monarchy were opposed to WW1 but they had no power to prevent the government from going to war.

Under British law - Tony Blair appears to be guilty of a series of minor crimes related to the forging of documents and lying to Parliament (re the invasion of Iraq). Monarchy or no monarchy.

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