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LadyAngelika -> RE: An Intelligence Fetish? Really? And is it shallow? (1/3/2010 3:58:57 PM)

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ORIGINAL: wisdomtogive
Again thank you for bringing this topic up and now I feel great........i learned something:)


My pleasure! I hope I turned you on too ;-)

- LA




SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: An Intelligence Fetish? Really? And is it shallow? (1/3/2010 4:07:29 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika
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ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3
The problem with calling intelligence a fetish is that intelligence is often touted as being more meaningful than base sexual desires.

Yay! You opened up the can of worms I was hoping someone did!

This is a value judgement. I have put more effort into my education than in my fitness plan. I'm cute, but I'll most likely cater more to the man that wants a smart woman than the one who wants a bikini model. And don't we hate the ones who are both! ;-)

But in saying that, I wonder if it isn't a form of value judement that is being placed on what we consider to be more noble.
- LA

Yes I suppose it is a value judgement but also logically if two people get together because they consider themselves intelligent I suppose I'm presuming they'll spend more time talking and discussing things because they enjoy that rather than or just as much as having sex. Sex doesn't really utilise their intelligence in many ways other than what they can imagine to do with one another sexually.

Then there are people that say sex isn’t just physical, fair enough.




wisdomtogive -> RE: An Intelligence Fetish? Really? And is it shallow? (1/3/2010 4:11:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

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ORIGINAL: wisdomtogive
Again thank you for bringing this topic up and now I feel great........i learned something:)


My pleasure! I hope I turned you on too ;-)

- LA


grin.........i will never tell




DesFIP -> RE: An Intelligence Fetish? Really? And is it shallow? (1/3/2010 4:18:28 PM)

Firstly, you are incorrect to say that anyone with a learning disability cannot be intelligent. Dyslexia has nothing to do with brains, simply with reading. Nor is there any correlation between any of the learning disabilities and intelligence.
A reading program on the computer works around dyslexia quite well. Or do you really think Milton was stupid because he couldn't read and had to dictate his poetry?

Beyond that, what you're attracted to is not a fetish classically. If you can't get aroused unless your partner spouts poetry then you would have a poetry fetish. If you simply like going to poetry readings and want a partner who shares your interest, it isn't a fetish.




LadyAngelika -> RE: An Intelligence Fetish? Really? And is it shallow? (1/3/2010 4:28:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

Firstly, you are incorrect to say that anyone with a learning disability cannot be intelligent. Dyslexia has nothing to do with brains, simply with reading. Nor is there any correlation between any of the learning disabilities and intelligence.


You are absolutely 100% right and I corrected myself in subsequent post when I wrote "Now learning disability might have been a stretch, but there are differently different levels of learners and some learn more quickly and with more ease than others."

This is one of those things that I wrote too quickly and in retrospect used the wrong term. The point was not to point out what hinders learning but rather that there is a span when it comes to intelligence. There are also multiple intelligences. Apologies if I offended anyone.

- LA




vincentML -> RE: An Intelligence Fetish? Really? And is it shallow? (1/3/2010 4:36:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

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ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3
The problem with calling intelligence a fetish is that intelligence is often touted as being more meaningful than base sexual desires.


Yay! You opened up the can of worms I was hoping someone would!

This is a value judgement. I have put more effort into my education than in my fitness plan. I'm cute, but I'll most likely cater more to the man that wants a smart woman than the one who wants a bikini model. (And don't we hate the ones who are both! ;-)

But in saying that, I wonder if it isn't a form of value judement that is being placed on what we consider to be more noble.

- LA


LadyA, wondering if you seek partners of equal intelligence or those with greater/lesser intelligence. If the latter, does the inequality of intelligence serve to replace the usual Dom/sub power exchange dynamic we are accustomed to on these Boards?




AnimusRex -> RE: An Intelligence Fetish? Really? And is it shallow? (1/3/2010 4:43:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

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ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3
The problem with calling intelligence a fetish is that intelligence is often touted as being more meaningful than base sexual desires.


Yay! You opened up the can of worms I was hoping someone would!... have put more effort into my education than in my fitness plan. I'm cute, but I'll most likely cater more to the man that wants a smart woman than the one who wants a bikini model.


OK, I will bite at the baited hook of worms.

We all have our preferences, and everyone's are valid.
Now with that disclaimer out of the way....

I think it is a little too easy to dismiss base animal lust as a lesser thing than intellectual connection. I love raw sexual arousal precisely because it is like art or music- it is beyond rational analysis, beyond the simple control and manipulation of our mind.
No matter who we are, no matter how powerful or refined our sensibilities, primal things like love, lust, fear, pathos, and anger strike us from beyond our ability to form them- they can form us, they move us and as such, I have a wonder and respect for them.
I am a staid respectable man who enjoys a thoughtful intelligent woman- and yet, I savor and cherish that raw primal side of me that can rip a woman's dress and slaverape her over a desk without a shred of tenderness or foreplay.




mc1234 -> RE: An Intelligence Fetish? Really? And is it shallow? (1/3/2010 4:51:09 PM)

Thinking this through ...

Are you sexually attracted to Person A because of his/her intelligence (among other qualities)? 

If Person A was as dumb as a box of rocks, would you want to have sex with him/her, all other qualities being equal?

If the answer to the 2nd question is 'nope' ... then I think intelligence qualifies as a fetish. 

Also -

Do you find stimulating conversation a turn-on?
Do you like to learn from your partner as well as contribute to his/her knowledge?
Do you like to discuss current events or religion or politics or literature or anything other than, for example, what's on television with your partner?

If I can't have any of the above with my partner, I'm not the least bit sexually attracted to him. 










InvisibleBlack -> RE: An Intelligence Fetish? Really? And is it shallow? (1/3/2010 5:04:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: mc1234
Also -

Do you find stimulating conversation a turn-on?
Do you like to learn from your partner as well as contribute to his/her knowledge?
Do you like to discuss current events or religion or politics or literature or anything other than, for example, what's on television with your partner?

If I can't have any of the above with my partner, I'm not the least bit sexually attracted to him. 



Ah, but is that an intelligence fetish or is it that you require a partner you can respect and that intelligence is part of that makeup?

I went out with a woman pursuing her PhD in Astrophysics for several years(she got her doctorate and is working for a well known science institution now) and recently I dated a woman with an advanced degree in molecular biology. I was wildly attracted to both women. Their intelligence was definitely a part of that attraction but it wasn't the sole determinant of our chemistry and there have been other women who were equally intelligent that I didn't find attractive at all. For me intelligence is one of multiple components that add up as plusses to an overall good match.

For intelligence to be a fetish it would have to be an overriding factor - far outweighing all other criteria. I'm not sure I know anyone for whom that's the case.




LadyAngelika -> RE: An Intelligence Fetish? Really? And is it shallow? (1/3/2010 5:12:14 PM)

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ORIGINAL: vincentML
LadyA, wondering if you seek partners of equal intelligence or those with greater/lesser intelligence.


Personally, I like someone of equal/complimentary intelligence. Their intelligence might be greater in some domains and mine in others. The man I had my last relationship with surely had a higher IQ than me and was a genius with numbers. He spoke 3 languages fluently, I spoke 2. He had 2 graduate degrees, I had 1. Then again, I had a higher EQ and surpassed him with all things related to soft skills and things artistic.

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If the latter, does the inequality of intelligence serve to replace the usual Dom/sub power exchange dynamic we are accustomed to on these Boards?


I'm not sure that I understand the question to be honest.

- LA




Underumam -> RE: An Intelligence Fetish? Really? And is it shallow? (1/3/2010 5:14:19 PM)

Sapiosexuality....You're joking right? lol.  If I was, I would've left this place long ago..*smirk*




EbonyWood -> RE: An Intelligence Fetish? Really? And is it shallow? (1/3/2010 5:17:03 PM)

On an overseas trip, I fucked a woman for a month non stop who was as thick as 2 short planks and thought ice cream came from cows living in snow.
 
I was incredibly turned on by this.
 
It helped that she was built like a brick shithouse.
 
Go figure.




LadyAngelika -> RE: An Intelligence Fetish? Really? And is it shallow? (1/3/2010 5:17:24 PM)

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For intelligence to be a fetish it would have to be an overriding factor - far outweighing all other criteria. I'm not sure I know anyone for whom that's the case.


Been to any academic conferences lately? ;-)

- LA




mc1234 -> RE: An Intelligence Fetish? Really? And is it shallow? (1/3/2010 5:19:31 PM)

"For intelligence to be a fetish it would have to be an overriding factor - far outweighing all other criteria. I'm not sure I know anyone for whom that's the case."

hmmm... I see your point, however if intelligence is not present (my definition of intelligence, of course), there is no attraction.  Does that make it an overriding factor or sole determinant?  Nope.  But it is an important criteria in sexual attraction for me. 

Fetish is a word used very loosely, but one of the Webster's definitions is 'an object or bodily part whose real or fantasied presence is psychologically necessary for sexual gratification and that is an object of fixation to the extent that it may interfere with complete sexual expression.' 

I do think the importance of intelligence to me qualifies it as a fetish, though I do acknowledge this is a gray area. 





LadyAngelika -> RE: An Intelligence Fetish? Really? And is it shallow? (1/3/2010 5:20:24 PM)


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ORIGINAL: AnimusRex
I think it is a little too easy to dismiss base animal lust as a lesser thing than intellectual connection. I love raw sexual arousal precisely because it is like art or music- it is beyond rational analysis, beyond the simple control and manipulation of our mind.


I would tend to agree! Let's see if anyone takes the bait!

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No matter who we are, no matter how powerful or refined our sensibilities, primal things like love, lust, fear, pathos, and anger strike us from beyond our ability to form them- they can form us, they move us and as such, I have a wonder and respect for them.

I am a staid respectable man who enjoys a thoughtful intelligent woman- and yet, I savor and charish that raw primal side of me that can rip a woman's dress and slaverape her over a desk without a shred of tenderness or foreplay.


Oh! Well that even made me hot ;-)

- LA




AnimusRex -> RE: An Intelligence Fetish? Really? And is it shallow? (1/3/2010 5:21:19 PM)


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ORIGINAL: EbonyWood

On an overseas trip, I fucked a woman for a month non stop who was as thick as 2 short planks and thought ice cream came from cows living in snow.
 
I was incredibly turned on by this.
 
It helped that she was built like a brick shithouse.
 
Go figure.


What's her email address?




LafayetteLady -> RE: An Intelligence Fetish? Really? And is it shallow? (1/3/2010 5:25:49 PM)

Firstly, Merriam Webster also defines "fetish" as an object of irrational reverence or obsessive devotion. Kinky sex practices don't have the market on the term.

I think that quibbling over whether or not something someone finds highly desirous qualifies as a fetish really has no purpose. I don't say I have a shoe "fetish," I say I'm a shoe whore (even though all my beautiful shoes are just for looking at now). I do say that I have a pajama "fetish" because I absolutely adore all my comfy jammies and they make me happy. I would live in pajamas 24/7 if I could. But no they don't turn me on. However, I would say that I have an obsessive devotion to my pajamas.

As others have already stated, "intelligence" can be defined in many ways. My man and my "psuedo" son are really intelligent when it comes to mechanical things. The man took apart his father's lawn mower when he was 4 and put it back together and yes, it worked. The "psuedo" son is pretty much the same.

When I was in school, I never had to put forth effort for my grades. I got easy "A's" and rarely even read the material. My mother didn't do anything "special" to bring that out in me, it just is. I had one friend in school who had to take tons of notes and spend hours going over the material to get the same grades as me. It isn't that one of us was more intelligent than the other necessarily, we just had different ways of processing the information. Just like many people can spend hours studying and still bomb on a test. Simply because they are poor at testing.

The OP's friend who easily maintains her body (yep we call those girls "skinny bitches) does have genetics on her side more so than any upbringing. If you don't have to work at maintaining your weight, then it is ALWAYS going to be your genetic makeup.

Can someone "make" themselves smarter? Of course. The statement that people with a learning disability can't make themselves more intelligent is offensive. A learning disability isn't a measure of intelligent, but a way of processing information that has shown to have occurred often enough that it now has a formal label and thankfully, a method for helping people with those various learning disabilities has been developed to help them reach their potential. The methods for someone with dyslexia is not the same as the method for someone with ADHD. Hell, there are about 24 different forms of dyslexia, so each of those methods needs to be a bit different.

Around here there seems to always be quibbling over words. People need to define "master," "dominant," "submissive," "slave," "fetish," "consent," etc. The list goes on and on, but for what point really? Even terms that one would think are universally accepted as having only one meaning within BDSM, have so many varying degrees that the term will only serve to let someone know in a general manner what the other has an interest in. Someone looking for "edge" play still needs to define which "edge." Someone sees someone who says they like watersports has to ask if they just want to piss on or be pissed on by someone or if they are looking for someone to ingest it.

If I see someone write in their profile they have a fetish about something, I'm not going to analyze whether or not they are using the term to my liking or to which dictionary definition they mean "fetish." If during discussions they tell me that they can't get aroused or orgasm unless all the conditions of that particular fetish are met, we aren't going to be compatible.

For the most part, the term "fetish" has come to mean something that someone really likes. In the medical use of the term, which seems to be what most here would like to apply, "fetish" does indeed indicate one's need for something outside of societal "norms" in order to be sexually stimulated and will typically interfere with their life needing treatment.

fetish
One entry found.


Main Entry: fe·tish
Variant(s): also fe·tich \ˈfe-tish also ˈfē-\
Function: noun
Etymology: French & Portuguese; French fétiche, from Portuguese feitiço, from feitiço artificial, false, from Latin facticius factitious
Date: 1613
1 a : an object (as a small stone carving of an animal) believed to have magical power to protect or aid its owner; broadly : a material object regarded with superstitious or extravagant trust or reverence b : an object of irrational reverence or obsessive devotion : prepossession c : an object or bodily part whose real or fantasied presence is psychologically necessary for sexual gratification and that is an object of fixation to the extent that it may interfere with complete sexual expression
2 : a rite or cult of fetish worshipers
3 : fixation




EbonyWood -> RE: An Intelligence Fetish? Really? And is it shallow? (1/3/2010 5:26:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: AnimusRex


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ORIGINAL: EbonyWood

On an overseas trip, I fucked a woman for a month non stop who was as thick as 2 short planks and thought ice cream came from cows living in snow.
 
I was incredibly turned on by this.
 
It helped that she was built like a brick shithouse.
 
Go figure.


What's her email address?


s_palin at moosehq.com




LostBabyDoll -> RE: An Intelligence Fetish? Really? And is it shallow? (1/3/2010 5:27:56 PM)

I don't consider it a fetish, I consider it more instinctual - survival of the fittest - that people are attracted to those that exhibit intelligence and thus generally speaking the ability to provide for themselves and their loved ones. I get totally turned on by highly intelligent men. You would not believe the guys I have been totally attracted to - they often look and smell like they haven't showered in days, they don't know how to dress, they aren't charming, but yes they can talk about math, physics, technology, whatever their area of expertise is - that totally makes me hot. Many of the men I have lusted over my friends say "you think he is cute?!!!" and my response is that if I saw these men in a bar or walking down the street I wouldn't even notice them but knowing they are an expert in their field and talking with them about anything and everything the mundane to the most complex is awesome. When you are able to grasp complex concepts and situations quickly it can be amazing to have a close friend or lover who can keep up with your level of analysis and bring additional, relevant perspectives to it. I don't think it is shallow but I do understand why some would consider it elitist. I think it is more about selecting someone you can relate to and who understands you. If you have often been the smartest one in the room, went through top schools easily, etc then wanting to find someone else like you isn't inherently a bad thing. While I think it is fine and normal for people to have preferences I think people should be open minded about what they are looking for because you never know what you might discover about yourself by broadening your search and considering those you may not have considered before.

With respect to people that are overweight, I think there is a lot of research to show that it is not that easy for people to lose weight and keep it off. It is part genetics but also a lot of it is environmental - the American diet is atrocious and our lifestyle makes it much easier to be fat than thin. Look at the statistics - wanting to be thin isn't enough for many people they have to change lifelong habits and they have so many things sabotaging their efforts every step of the way. I do believe it is possible for almost everyone to be at a healthy BMI but it is a lot harder for some people.




LadyAngelika -> RE: An Intelligence Fetish? Really? And is it shallow? (1/3/2010 5:31:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: EbonyWood

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ORIGINAL: AnimusRex


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ORIGINAL: EbonyWood

On an overseas trip, I fucked a woman for a month non stop who was as thick as 2 short planks and thought ice cream came from cows living in snow.
 
I was incredibly turned on by this.
 
It helped that she was built like a brick shithouse.
 
Go figure.


What's her email address?


s_palin at moosehq.com


Oh. My. Stars. I laughed so hard I freaked out the cat! :-)

- LA




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