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LaTigresse -> RE: why do some slaves and submissives feel that being hard to handle.......... (1/4/2010 8:54:13 AM)
Using fast reply... I think there is a dynamic that exists within some relationships that I don't get, and wouldn't have. Punishment is for me........not a fun or happy thing. If I have to punish, I guaranfuckintee it will not be fun in any way shape or form. BDSM play, in my mind, is not punishment. For many people I see the lines described above, blurred.

osf -> RE: why do some slaves and submissives feel that being hard to handle.......... (1/4/2010 9:00:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LaTigresse Using fast reply... I think there is a dynamic that exists within some relationships that I don't get, and wouldn't have. Punishment is for me........not a fun or happy thing. If I have to punish, I guaranfuckintee it will not be fun in any way shape or form. BDSM play, in my mind, is not punishment. For many people I see the lines described above, blurred. that's a strange attitude

LaTigresse -> RE: why do some slaves and submissives feel that being hard to handle.......... (1/4/2010 9:01:07 AM)
Why is the concept that punishment should not be fun, strange?

Jeffff -> RE: why do some slaves and submissives feel that being hard to handle.......... (1/4/2010 9:04:09 AM)
Lat?, I completely agree with that. I will say however that I believe many posters would be quite different in a more personal setting. I, for instance, am not always the goofball I am here. I assume that many of the loud submissives, are not always so loud. Jeff

LaTigresse -> RE: why do some slaves and submissives feel that being hard to handle.......... (1/4/2010 9:05:37 AM)
One would hope.

osf -> RE: why do some slaves and submissives feel that being hard to handle.......... (1/4/2010 9:11:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LaTigresse Why is the concept that punishment should not be fun, strange? kidding, that's my attitude as i posted earlier

Aly055 -> RE: why do some women feel that being hard to handle.......... (1/4/2010 9:36:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Marc2b In some cases the bratty slave is looking to be "conquered." They want to push the boundaries to see if Master/Mistress will be a "true" dominant and force their slave to be obediant. I can bratty at times sometimes worse than others. It gets really bad when I'm pushing boundaries to see if they are still there. It may sound childish but it's something I need. I have to know that the rules and boundries are there and that they arne't going to change. I don't however act bratty just to get beaten because all I have to do is ask! I do however know when it is appropriate and when it is not. I know in private I can push boundries however in public I know much better than to disrespect my Master and Mistress by misbehaving. There is also a difference between play/ discipline and actual punishment. For example my Master and Mistress are older than I am so I sometimes have fun calling them old. As a consequnce I get two whacks with something for each time I call them that. However I have a wooden paddle that I absolutely hate this is used only in punishment for example playing with myself without permission.

Mercnbeth -> RE: why do some women feel that being hard to handle.......... (1/4/2010 9:40:04 AM)
quote: why do some women feel that being a brat/feisty/hand full makes them more desirable "Some" enjoy experiencing their submission from the dominant side of the relationship.

osf -> RE: why do some women feel that being hard to handle.......... (1/4/2010 9:49:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aly055 quote: ORIGINAL: Marc2b In some cases the bratty slave is looking to be "conquered." They want to push the boundaries to see if Master/Mistress will be a "true" dominant and force their slave to be obediant. I can bratty at times sometimes worse than others. It gets really bad when I'm pushing boundaries to see if they are still there. It may sound childish but it's something I need. I have to know that the rules and boundries are there and that they arne't going to change. I don't however act bratty just to get beaten because all I have to do is ask! I do however know when it is appropriate and when it is not. I know in private I can push boundries however in public I know much better than to disrespect my Master and Mistress by misbehaving. There is also a difference between play/ discipline and actual punishment. For example my Master and Mistress are older than I am so I sometimes have fun calling them old. As a consequnce I get two whacks with something for each time I call them that. However I have a wooden paddle that I absolutely hate this is used only in punishment for example playing with myself without permission. i see a difference between being bratty and submissive's instinct to touch and see where the limitations set on her by him are, and to see if they are still there that can be comforting to her

LadyChallene -> RE: why do some women feel that being hard to handle.......... (1/4/2010 9:51:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: osf why do some women feel that being a brat/feisty/hand full makes them more desirable sounds more like a TPS than TPE to me as for me if you tell me you're submissive, that's more or less how i want you to show up how many women want a bratty guy? don't they believe in equality? this doesn't mean i'm weak or lazy, it means i have better things to do Gender and sexual orientation have nothing to do with the 'self-classification' of submissive or slave. What you are talking about is not limited to 'some women', you must add 'some men' in your question. Having said that, male and female, feisty brats who are equal to or more than a handful are more of a pleasing challenge to Me then a dull, limp mop of a person. I am a classic 'Southern Belle' who is also Domme. My name just about says it all, it is one letter off from the word 'Challenge'. Challene, pronounced Shallen. I freely admit, My parents named Me appropriately. From the day of My conception I was a unique challenge. I look for that in anyone I consider a 'potential'. If they cannot be a continual challenge for Me, My interest wains fast. I will also say that while I demand someone with a lively spirit, they must demonstrate that spirit in a way the does not reflect a sever lack of timing, ability to read a the situation correctly so they never take it too far and possess a clear understanding of when not to show their ass, be disrespectful to Me or embarrass either of U/us when in public. My desires, expectations and requirements are not those of anyone else. My tastes are individual to Me. I hold no other Dom/Domme to My demands or tastes. There is a timeless truth and realness to the age old line, "To each his own". For everyone out there that says they totally agree and understand what you are saying and where you are coming from ... there are going to be just as many who will say that what baffles and offends you is the very thing they live for and desire most. As with anything I every say ... this is only My [sm=2cents.gif][sm=2cents.gif] worth. Bank it or spend it as you deem fit. Best wishes and warmest regards. Lady Challene

osf -> RE: why do some women feel that being hard to handle.......... (1/4/2010 9:58:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyChallene quote: ORIGINAL: osf why do some women feel that being a brat/feisty/hand full makes them more desirable sounds more like a TPS than TPE to me as for me if you tell me you're submissive, that's more or less how i want you to show up how many women want a bratty guy? don't they believe in equality? this doesn't mean i'm weak or lazy, it means i have better things to do Gender and sexual orientation have nothing to do with the 'self-classification' of submissive or slave. What you are talking about is not limited to 'some women', you must add 'some men' in your question. Having said that, male and female, feisty brats who are equal to or more than a handful are more of a pleasing challenge to Me then a dull, limp mop of a person. I am a classic 'Southern Belle' who is also Domme. My name just about says it all, it is one letter off from the word 'Challenge'. Challene, pronounced Shallen. I freely admit, My parents named Me appropriately. From the day of My conception I was a unique challenge. I look for that in anyone I consider a 'potential'. If they cannot be a continual challenge for Me, My interest wains fast. I will also say that while I demand someone with a lively spirit, they must demonstrate that spirit in a way the does not reflect a sever lack of timing, ability to read a the situation correctly so they never take it too far and possess a clear understanding of when not to show their ass, be disrespectful to Me or embarrass either of U/us when in public. My desires, expectations and requirements are not those of anyone else. My tastes are individual to Me. I hold no other Dom/Domme to My demands or tastes. There is a timeless truth and realness to the age old line, "To each his own". For everyone out there that says they totally agree and understand what you are saying and where you are coming from ... there are going to be just as many who will say that what baffles and offends you is the very thing they live for and desire most. As with anything I every say ... this is only My [sm=2cents.gif][sm=2cents.gif] worth. Bank it or spend it as you deem fit. Best wishes and warmest regards. Lady Challene i can accept what i call playful, that can be delightful not having experience with male subs and not wanting any i naturally say women but others are free to express their points of view

wisdomtogive -> RE: why do some women feel that being hard to handle.......... (1/4/2010 10:05:33 AM)
Different strokes for different folks..and yes it is true. We all have preferrences, some Dom's like the bratty s-type. Let's say that a particular Dom liked bratty because they like to punish for little things, a bratty s-type would be their cup of tea. If a Dom doesn't like to have to punish, a bratty s-type to them would not be desired. Outside of the relationship it might not matter , but then it might. A Dom would seek out what they would like in a s-type. The same goes for the s-type. Any Dom who feels he/she can lump all women with names like bitches, cunts, etc..would be ignored by me. That is an automatic mark on my end for any interest there was. If Sir though wants to refer to me in those words that would be wonderful. Again different strokes for different folks, which is really a good thing. We cannot fit in a stamp mold, it would serve no one in the end.

littleone35 -> RE: why do some women feel that being hard to handle.......... (1/4/2010 10:08:15 AM)
i am not often bratty i admit sometimes i am and if i go to far i get the look. I am sure other submissives know about the "look". I have only been punished once and there was nothing fun or enjoyable about it I forget who said it but someone coined the term funishment. That is enjoyable. Matt's littleone

Icarys -> RE: why do some women feel that being hard to handle.......... (1/4/2010 10:33:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: osf why do some women feel that being a brat/feisty/hand full makes them more desirable sounds more like a TPS than TPE to me as for me if you tell me you're submissive, that's more or less how i want you to show up how many women want a bratty guy? don't they believe in equality? this doesn't mean i'm weak or lazy, it means i have better things to do Speaking of my own desire: It's way less than desirable. Plenty of people have given reasons why they enjoy that...They are entitled to it and hope they find those pople before I have a chance to[:D] I have no room in my life for loud mouth, misbehaving in your face subbies. Really anyone like that can pass me by. I live a peaceful life..fairly free of stress other than what most people may encounter outside of the house and that's just the way I like it..Outside of the house. A soft spoken well mannered female gets my vote every time To each His/Her own though..

kajirastar -> RE: why do some women feel that being hard to handle.......... (1/4/2010 10:40:50 AM)
AS Master says; He doesnt want a doormat, nor a robot. He loves my outspoken thougts. though there is boundaries. i occassionaly tell Him no, just to see the look on His face, He knows i dont really mean no, and it usually makes Him laugh although times were it also makes it a very painful evening...... Now He would rarely call me a brat, it is my humor that He enjoys.

osf -> RE: why do some women feel that being hard to handle.......... (1/4/2010 10:41:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Icarys quote: ORIGINAL: osf why do some women feel that being a brat/feisty/hand full makes them more desirable sounds more like a TPS than TPE to me as for me if you tell me you're submissive, that's more or less how i want you to show up how many women want a bratty guy? don't they believe in equality? this doesn't mean i'm weak or lazy, it means i have better things to do Speaking of my own desire: It's way less than desirable. Plenty of people have given reasons why they enjoy that...They are entitled to it and hope they find those pople before I have a chance to[:D] I have no room in my life for loud mouth, misbehaving in your face subbies. Really anyone like that can pass me by. I live a peaceful life..fairly free of stress other than what most people may encounter outside of the house and that's just the way I like it..Outside of the house. A soft spoken well mannered female gets my vote every time To each His/Her own though.. damn your a hard one to please

drtygrl -> RE: why do some women feel that being hard to handle.......... (1/4/2010 1:16:53 PM)
exactly!

sublizzie -> RE: why do some women feel that being hard to handle.......... (1/4/2010 1:23:01 PM)
~fr~ I have Dominant friends who prefer a submissive who is "feisty". It's something they like. I tend to be more submissive than feisty though I have a sense of humor and tease a lot. Some Dominants don't like submissives who tease and call that being bratty. I'm not bratty, just enjoy teasing and being teased. But that's within a 24/7 relationship not a play session.

mnottertail -> RE: why do some women feel that being hard to handle.......... (1/4/2010 1:23:55 PM)
I figure it is because they like to be punched dead in the goddamn face alot. Dunno. Ron

wisdomtogive -> RE: why do some women feel that being hard to handle.......... (1/4/2010 1:47:08 PM)
Hi kajirastar Humor is a great thing. I have an impish aspect to me, and Sir just loves it. Different then being bratty.

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