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RE: Science Denial on the Rise - 1/8/2010 9:06:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		This anti vaccine debate seem to crop up, mainly lead by total hysterics who quotes some individual side effects as being the norm for everybody taking it. The fact is that if you vaccinate 1 million people for polio a very small percentage like maybe 10 people would have serious sideeffect of the vaccine. But i rather have that risc of being 10 in a million than the situation we had 100 years back where polio was a extreme normal disease. Besides really proberly investigated those 10 cases always shows up that they did have serious defects to their immune system or allergic reactions and proberly would have got sick from something else if they hadn't been vaccinated.
I believe in science, but i don't believe in any scientist and the research he makes. I do have what i call a bit of healthy scepticism build in. However without scientist where would we have been today. certainly not having this debate on a worldwide instant network. We have a lot to be greatful for to the scientists, and a few things we can chastise them for as well.

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RE: Science Denial on the Rise - 1/8/2010 9:11:59 AM   
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So you accepted the deadly vaccine?


Said vaccine, has ingredients the can later be activated to cause health problems?




.....i'm choosing to see this line as an attempt to be humourously ironic, given the subject of the thread.




The science said we all were going to die.


I am WAITING!!!

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RE: Science Denial on the Rise - 1/8/2010 9:19:12 AM   
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The science said we all were going to die.


I am WAITING!!!



...no it bloody well didn't.

This is precisely the sort of thing this thread is about. The science didn't say 'we're all gonna DIEEEEEEE!'. Various news commentators, prophets of doom and idiots did. Your problem is that you don't appear to be able to tell the difference.

H1N1 was and is dangerous for two reasons. Firstly it is exceedingly fast at transmitting itself, and secondly it is more likely to be fatal to an unusual group, young adults.

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RE: Science Denial on the Rise - 1/8/2010 9:30:12 AM   
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The further I dug - the more I found sloppy science.


Obviously.


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RE: Science Denial on the Rise - 1/8/2010 9:39:35 AM   
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The science said we all were going to die.


I am WAITING!!!



...no it bloody well didn't.

This is precisely the sort of thing this thread is about. The science didn't say 'we're all gonna DIEEEEEEE!'. Various news commentators, prophets of doom and idiots did. Your problem is that you don't appear to be able to tell the difference.

H1N1 was and is dangerous for two reasons. Firstly it is exceedingly fast at transmitting itself, and secondly it is more likely to be fatal to an unusual group, young adults.


USA Today said   100,000 Americans were going to die of h1n1.

Then the WHO changed the threshold of what is a pandemic.

So as to line of forced vaccinations.

Which is a Eugenics program.

So I and many refused the shot and we lived.    A few sniffles VS all that crap injected into the muscles to adversely effect the body upwards of 20 years later.  Of which no studies have been done.

Always look at where the $ flows.   That is not too hard.  Not a big mystery.   Everything in the world revolves around money.  In the last decade the more incompetent big entities are the more $ they somehow get.  OOOPS.

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RE: Science Denial on the Rise - 1/8/2010 9:39:41 AM   
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The most gibberingly retarded stuff I've read all week.

"A few sniffles VS all that crap injected into the muscles to adversely effect the body upwards of 20 years later."

Vaccination has been common for more than 150 years over here, I'll let ya know when we start melting.

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RE: Science Denial on the Rise - 1/8/2010 9:50:14 AM   
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http://www.youtube.com/user/GaryNullTV

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3XlJB7J5-o  Gary Null

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RE: Science Denial on the Rise - 1/8/2010 9:56:07 AM   
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USA Today said   100,000 Americans were going to die of h1n1.


....riiiiight, a newspaper says so so it must be true.

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Then the WHO changed the threshold of what is a pandemic.


...no they didn't. Where are you getting this crap from?

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So as to line of forced vaccinations.

Which is a Eugenics program.


....do you even know what eugenics is?

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So I and many refused the shot and we lived.    A few sniffles VS all that crap injected into the muscles to adversely effect the body upwards of 20 years later.  Of which no studies have been done.


....oh well done you. You volunteered your body to act as a playground/mutator to a pandemic class flu virus. i'm sure your neighbours and friends will thank you for it.
As an aside do look up herd immunity.

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Always look at where the $ flows.   That is not too hard.  Not a big mystery.   Everything in the world revolves around money.  In the last decade the more incompetent big entities are the more $ they somehow get.  OOOPS.



......conflation.

Everything you've typed in this thread is part of the problem. You're mixing half truths with conspiracy theories and outright lies.

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RE: Science Denial on the Rise - 1/8/2010 9:57:29 AM   
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I am a pretty scientific person these days and if you can prove something to me based on evidence and facts I'm okay with it.


Science Denial on the Rise

From evolution to global warming to vaccines, science is under assault from denialists--those who dismiss well-tested scientific knowledge as merely one of many competing ideologies. Science denial goes beyond skeptical questioning to attack the legitimacy of science itself.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steven-newton/science-denial-on-the-ris_b_413848.html



Brain, I was never a scientific person until this "global warming" crap came up and I started reading about it.
Do you really think the words "science" and "global warming" belong in the same sentance?
"Political science" maybe. "Might happen," "Could happen," "is possable" is not science it's pure conjecture!
Now in *real science* who's doing all the denying? I don't see any.


Political science is that used by the naysayers.  Those that cannot seem to fathom that if your throw tons of Co2 into the atmosphere that there just night be some sort of ramifications.

In far too many cases it is the naysayers hating the messenger more than the message.


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RE: Science Denial on the Rise - 1/8/2010 10:04:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: philosophy


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USA Today said   100,000 Americans were going to die of h1n1.


....riiiiight, a newspaper says so so it must be true.

quote:

Then the WHO changed the threshold of what is a pandemic.


...no they didn't. Where are you getting this crap from?

quote:

So as to line of forced vaccinations.

Which is a Eugenics program.


....do you even know what eugenics is?

quote:

So I and many refused the shot and we lived.    A few sniffles VS all that crap injected into the muscles to adversely effect the body upwards of 20 years later.  Of which no studies have been done.


....oh well done you. You volunteered your body to act as a playground/mutator to a pandemic class flu virus. i'm sure your neighbours and friends will thank you for it.
As an aside do look up herd immunity.

quote:

Always look at where the $ flows.   That is not too hard.  Not a big mystery.   Everything in the world revolves around money.  In the last decade the more incompetent big entities are the more $ they somehow get.  OOOPS.



......conflation.

Everything you've typed in this thread is part of the problem. You're mixing half truths with conspiracy theories and outright lies.



keep taken the vaccines.

see what it does to you.

Fine by me.

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On the bright side- not long ago we deniers did not exist.  So this is a happy day.

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RE: Science Denial on the Rise - 1/8/2010 10:14:28 AM   
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One will always have fanatics on both side of the fence. But I think also that pepole tend to deny what they do not want to hear. Also, science is getting allot of bad reputation from what I call born again Atheists who call out for making religions illegal and harass and insult religious pepole and generally look down their noses at anyone who do not believe as they do.

Another pepole is that take global warming, one source say this another source say that, every scientist into that field of research presents his or her theories and pepole get confused, and when pepole get confused they tend to respond with just ignoring it. The same with vaccines, and remember there is actual scientific research going on to find out if the by products in the vaccines can be dangerous to ones health.

I wish you well


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RE: Science Denial on the Rise - 1/8/2010 10:14:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		What difference does H1N1 make??

We're all gonna die in 2012 anyway.




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RE: Science Denial on the Rise - 1/8/2010 10:15:01 AM   
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keep taken the vaccines.

see what it does to you.

Fine by me.

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On the bright side- not long ago we deniers did not exist.  So this is a happy day.



...and again you illustrate the problem. you don't offer any concrete proof of your assertions (come on, prove that the WHO changed the definition of pandemic, i'd like to see you try). And you prove your lack of knowledge regarding the history of the subject. Seriously, you think that historically there hasn't been vested interests trying to deny good science? Galileo ring a bell? Luddites?
Science is generally, in political terms, progressive. The status quo has always distrusted science......you're just being a good foot soldier for the PTB.

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RE: Science Denial on the Rise - 1/8/2010 10:15:02 AM   
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RE: Science Denial on the Rise - 1/8/2010 10:16:44 AM   
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RE: Science Denial on the Rise - 1/8/2010 10:19:15 AM   
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But in truth, wasn't Alan Luddite a gameshow host in the 60-70's?

LOL again.

Galileo.

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RE: Science Denial on the Rise - 1/8/2010 10:47:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		I am not going to search a link for you when most don't read my links or like my links.

besides the onerous on on the manufacturer to PROVE it is safe.   Not the other way around.   / and of course we can not sue them if we are irreparably damaged. Can we?    (no)

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RE: Science Denial on the Rise - 1/8/2010 10:50:08 AM   
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I am not going to search a link for you when most don't read my links or like my links.

besides the onerous on on the manufacturer to PROVE it is safe.   Not the other way around.   / and of course we can not sue them if we are irreparably damaged. Can we?    (no)



....you're ducking. i asked you to prove that the WHO had changed their definition of pandemic. Not to prove that the vaccine was safe.

You made the assertion, so you must have heard it from somewhere or just made it up. Which is it?

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RE: Science Denial on the Rise - 1/8/2010 10:50:49 AM   
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I am not going to search a link for you when most don't read my links or like my links.

besides the onerous on on the manufacturer to PROVE it is safe.   Not the other way around.   / and of course we can not sue them if we are irreparably damaged. Can we?    (no)


If safe means "nothing bad must ever possibly happen to me", then perhaps you should rethink this "living" thing?


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RE: Science Denial on the Rise - 1/8/2010 10:53:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		A Nun speaks out on the H1N1 Pandemic: "The WHO changed the official definition of a pandemic" Interview with Sister Dr. Teresa Forcades . An articulate and authoritative statement

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=16059

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