NihilusZero -> RE: Science Denial on the Rise (1/7/2010 10:50:15 PM)
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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven The author makes the claim that because science must pass rigorous review by experts (which he defines as people who have a certain unspecified level of education and "competence"), it's gotta be right. Then he derides the criticism by people who evidently don;t have the education or competence he likes. That's called elitism, and he handles it as deftly as a meat cleaver. Well, that's how it normally happens in life. I take my car to 10 mechanics with over 80 years of experience between them and they all say my car needs a new starter, but my next door neighbor with the Car & Driver magazine subscription tells me it's actually a spark plug I need (without ever actually looking at my car, no less)...then presumably I shouldn't be elitist and discount his idea because the other guys are more learned? quote:
ORIGINAL: DarkSteven The guy really cheesed me off when he claimed that the "denialists" pick their battles and that somehow that is wrong. Tough noogies - if someone believes in creationism, then he will disagree with evolution, and expecting them to pick another disagreement is ridiculous. Actually, he insinuated that the cover for "fairness" is actually a lie...which it is. Creationists don't want equal time for creation theories...they only want "equal time" for theirs. It couldn't have been demonstrated more beautifully than during a debate between Michael Shermer and Duane Gish back in '01, in which Shermer recounts a part of the event: quote:
For me the highlight of the evening was when I polled the audience as to how many agreed with Gish that the creation story should be taught in public schools. A veritable phalanx of hands shot up. I then went through a series of slides of different creation stories from around the world, asking for a show of hands as to how many think that this creation story or that creation story should be taught in public schools. Of course, no one raised their hands because they think all these other creation stories are silly myths. These are from the chapter in my book Why People Believe Weird Things on how to debate a creationist: --No Creation Story from India, where "The world has always existed as it is now, unchanging from eternity." --The Slain Monster Creation Story from Sumeria-Babylonia, where "The world was created from the parts of a slain monster." --The Primordial Parents Creation Stories from the Zuni Indians, Cook Islanders, and Egyptians, where "The world was created by the interaction of primordial parents." --The Cosmic Egg Creation Stories from Japan, Samoa, Persia, and China, where "The world was generated from an egg." --The Sea Creation Stories from the Burmese, Choctaw Indians, and Icelanders, where "The world was created from out of the sea." --The Spoken Edict Creation Stories from the Mayans, the Egyptians, and the Hebrews, where "The world sprang into being at the command of a god." When I got to this last slide no one raised their hand, so I left if up and said, "Uh, are you SURE you don't want this last one taught, because THIS creation story is YOURS." Slowly it dawned on them what I was doing. Some hands started to go up, but the rest didn't want to be trapped any further. I then drove home the point that to insist that the government force public school children to learn one religious creation story to the exclusion of all others is not only in violation of the First Amendment's establishment clause, it is religious bigotry. Since they didn't seem to be getting my point, I went over the top and yelled out "Shame on you. SHAME ON YOU. This is bigotry. It is racism. And it is wrong."
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