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ORIGINAL: osf

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

I'm wondering how you base your opinion on such. There are plenty of folks out there in non kinky land who date, become exclusive, and then break up. I see no possible way to determine that one group (non kinky rather than kinky or in the reverse) has a higher success rate than the other. Your observation may be completely different than someone who carries the opposite opinion. Neither of which are being based on any hard data, and rather are being based on personal influences.

do you know what empirical means?

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ORIGINAL: JoeVanilla

Empirical, by observation yes yes. But does the OP know what observation bias means? Is the OP well-versed in statistical sampling or is this simply anecdotal evidence? Anecdotal evidence filtered through one's own preconceived subjective analysis usually produces the results which the observer initially expected.

Even well designed studies have problems because the respondents self-select i.e. certain categories of potential respondent are more likely to discard the survey and others are more likely to respond.

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ORIGINAL: JoeVanilla

Empirical, by observation yes yes. But does the OP know what observation bias means? Is the OP well-versed in statistical sampling or is this simply anecdotal evidence? Anecdotal evidence filtered through one's own preconceived subjective analysis usually produces the results which the observer initially expected.

Even well designed studies have problems because the respondents self-select i.e. certain categories of potential respondent are more likely to discard the survey and others are more likely to respond.

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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19

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ORIGINAL: osf

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

I'm wondering how you base your opinion on such. There are plenty of folks out there in non kinky land who date, become exclusive, and then break up. I see no possible way to determine that one group (non kinky rather than kinky or in the reverse) has a higher success rate than the other. Your observation may be completely different than someone who carries the opposite opinion. Neither of which are being based on any hard data, and rather are being based on personal influences.

do you know what empirical means?

Empirical means based on observation, research and experiments. This is to gather the best most objective data. Studies use control groups and such to combat subjective observations which is a human thing to do.

You watching and coming to your conclusions is not empirical though. There has not been research experiemnts, large samples to make things legitimate.

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ORIGINAL: osf

not going to argue the point but we as a group seem to have a much greater failure rate than nilla folks

i'll just let that be my last point

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ORIGINAL: eyesopened

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ORIGINAL: osf

not going to argue the point but we as a group seem to have a much greater failure rate than nilla folks

i'll just let that be my last point

I'm sure you can provide statistical data to back this up?

In my experience, I have have far better relationships once I limited myself to bdsm partners.  It took fully embracing my submissive core to be able to tell the difference between a Dominant and an asshat.

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ORIGINAL: eyesopened
In my experience, I have have far better relationships once I limited myself to bdsm partners.  It took fully embracing my submissive core to be able to tell the difference between a Dominant and an asshat.

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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

I also have a better relationship now then when I was in a vanilla one. But that's my fault for trying to force myself into a round hole when I'm a square peg.

Once I took the time to figure out what I needed, and found someone with the same ideas, of course we had a higher level of compatibility.