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Domina Intuition - 1/9/2010 4:20:45 PM   
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When I was little, my mom used to use the term l'intuition féminine (in English, woman's intuition) to describe how her instincts worked. I find that this intuition also comes from my dominant and leader side.

(I'm not trying to suggest that men or submissives cannot be intuitive, I just want to focus on something amongst us Ladies, though all are welcome to chime in!)

In his book "The Gift of Fear", Gavin de Becker explodes the myth that most violent acts are random and unpredictable and shows that they usually have discernible motives and are preceded by clear warning signs. He writes about pre-incident indicators (PINs) that can determine if someone poses a danger to us. I think sometimes as Dominant women, we can put ourselves in vulnerable positions. I know I have. So are some pro-dommes as discussed in this thread on how to protect yourself against high risk clients.

But it goes beyond this. Have you ever found yourself at the end of a relationship with someone and thinking in hindsight that all the signs were there? To my knowledge, I've been cheated on once. When I found, out, initially I was in shock, but when I reviewed, I could piece the pieces back together. Sure, hindsight 20-20, but wouldn't it be wonderful if we actually were in tune with our instincts while it was happening, not close our eyes to the warning signs and wanting to live in denial?

Another way woman's intuition works well for us is in analysing how to best please our lovers. Ok, so most Domina's I know what to please their lovers as well and aren't all selfish bitches ;-) But especially when we are in this position of power, of being in charge, you need to use that Domina intuition to figure out what is going on in our partner's mind, figure out how far we can put his (or her) limits, etc.

What are your thoughts in this? How does your Domina Intuition manifest itself?

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RE: Domina Intuition - 1/9/2010 4:45:46 PM   
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Donkeys' years ago, while studying, I read a feminist essay that dealt with the idea of 'women's intuition'.   (I should say that this writer was good - I respected what she said overall.)  Anyway, her opinion was that if there was such a thing as women's intuition, then it was borne out of necessity: women need to watch for signs of things being wrong in a way that men don't.  Most of all, they need such perceptiveness in order to sift the bad - especially dangerous - men from the good ones.

My own experience, though, is somewhat at variance to that hypothesis.  I've frequently seen something that I might call female intuition at work - a certain sensitivity, acuity, about people - amongst women.  But, ironically, I've also seen - all too often - such intuition deserting women when it comes to the key reason for its existence (according to that aforementioned writer) - choosing male partners.  So: my sisters, my close female friends, my mother - time and time again, within seconds of first seeing the males they've hooked up with, I've thought: "For fuck's sake, can't you see that this man is all wrong?"  And, always, they have turned out to be wrong.  I don't consider myself brilliantly intuitive, either: everyone else who's known the woman in each case - females and males - has had the same thoughts about each man the woman in question has introduced to us - her friends and relations.

Maybe dominas are better at sussing out 'wrong 'uns' than vanilla women.  I can't say that I've noticed such a difference, however.   I'd like to believe otherwise.  I can't say that I've seen abundant evidence for it so far on CM, though. 

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RE: Domina Intuition - 1/9/2010 4:51:52 PM   
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Thanks so much for that reply Peon. I appreciate your perspective on this very much. Do you remember the name of the book/author? I'd like to read it.

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"For fuck's sake, can't you see that this man is all wrong?"


Oh gosh... I've said that one too many times. And I'm sure people have said it about me too in the past, but not in the past 5 years. I've managed to be pretty good at analysing the situation quickly and seeing whether or not the man could be a right match. Might be one of the reasons I've been single for over a year. Those I've attempted to go further with were right for me on many levels but other things such as timing were wrong.

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RE: Domina Intuition - 1/9/2010 5:18:33 PM   
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Men have their own form of "womans intuition", it's called "going with your gut".

The principles are the same. If looks, smells and tastes like shit...well, you know what you got.

I think it all relates to what is called a "flight or fight reaction". On some level we think we have a problem, and as a wise man once told me, if you think you have a problem, you do...

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RE: Domina Intuition - 1/9/2010 5:27:01 PM   
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LA,

I don't remember the name of the author, I'm afraid.  It wasn't one of the better known, 'popular' feminists.  I recall picking up her book and reading a whole chapter in a bookshop.  It was a good enough read for me to forget where I was - put it that way. 

Pfft.  When I was in my teens and early twenties, I was a sucker for the 'magic' of women.  I'd allow myself to be entranced by the way a certain woman moved her head, smiled, threw her hips when she sat down . . . that was all I looked for.  If you set out to find a siren, you'll find one - and she'll lure you to a disaster of the soul.  I suppose women are the same way, regarding men, when they're younger. 

But, then, both sexes grow up and stop being quite so blinded by the 'magic'.  Or, some of them do.  We're all so very much led to believe that reason can't, and shouldn't, have anything to do with love.  This, I've finally come to realise, is bollocks.   





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RE: Domina Intuition - 1/9/2010 5:28:31 PM   
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I think all forms of intuition are the brains ability to remember where we have gone wrong in the past. A message tells us we are about to make the same mistake again, yet optimism, or plain old cussedness,  sometimes lets us carry on all the same.

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RE: Domina Intuition - 1/9/2010 5:32:31 PM   
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PS & Peon - wouldn't that be experience rather than intuition?

Intuition is the apparent ability to acquire knowledge without inference or the use of reason, instinct, our gut as Solange said above...

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RE: Domina Intuition - 1/9/2010 5:36:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

PS & Peon - wouldn't that be experience rather than intuition?

Intuition is the apparent ability to acquire knowledge without inference or the use of reason, instinct, our gut as Solange said above...

- LA


Without trying to sound pedantic, intuition is the decision we make when entering a given situation. What motivates that decision is our experiences. I guess we could call it experience, intuition, gut feeling, all describe the same resulting action.

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RE: Domina Intuition - 1/9/2010 5:44:42 PM   
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Mine broke...

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RE: Domina Intuition - 1/9/2010 5:53:43 PM   
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Respectfully Politesub53, I'm going to disagree, intuition is real, it's a warning bell that may or may not have anything to do with cumulative experience, just that feeling that somehing is not "right".

My comment on shit, specifically, the tasting, was meant to be funny. One need not eat it to know it is such, the look, smell etc is enough and our intuition tells us we need not taste it to be sure. None of us needs to grab a spoon, some shit just ain't right...

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RE: Domina Intuition - 1/9/2010 5:57:35 PM   
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Respectfully Politesub53, I'm going to disagree, intuition is real, it's a warning bell that may or may not have anything to do with cumulative experience, just that feeling that somehing is not "right".


Exactly. I remember an interview with de Becker (whose book I talk about earlier) in which he says that humans have the same intuition that animals have that there is danger but because of our evolution, that sense has been downplayed with some kind of rational, logical thought. We have it and it's not based on experience, it's something we are born with.

Solange, I'm not saying that men don't have it too. I'm wondering now, and this is just a thought that I might take back, but for now I'll put it out there: is it our experience as women and dominas that make us need to go and redevelop that intuition and bring it to the surface.

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RE: Domina Intuition - 1/9/2010 6:01:08 PM   
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Mine broke...


And then it came back ;-)

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RE: Domina Intuition - 1/9/2010 6:09:03 PM   
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I've read de Beckers book, and found it valuable in fact. I had the idea that he was pointing it toward women but I felt it was a valuable book for all people.

A salient point I thought was that he urged readers to hone that sixth sense, the one that told you there was trouble well before any trouble manifested

It's a book worth owning

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RE: Domina Intuition - 1/9/2010 6:09:06 PM   
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We will have to differ Ladies. I was watching a show about a Cobras in Indian society. They are often kept inside the house and one was shown on the floor of the room beside a baby. Baby and snake were content to be on the mat together. The father was a snake charmer and had never shown fear in front of the snake. The baby therefore, hadnt picked up on that fear. We, in the west, grow up watching films where the deadly snake bites and kills someone, so that fear is taught and not intuitive.

Lady A, contrary as this sounds, if intuition is inborn, how does one hone that skill ? One can only improve on that which we learn.

Oddly enough I seem to recall thinking humans are born intuitive, maybe thats true with some situations and not others.

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RE: Domina Intuition - 1/9/2010 6:12:48 PM   
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Was the baby safe from the cobra or did the cobra feel safe with the baby?

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RE: Domina Intuition - 1/9/2010 6:13:17 PM   
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As for the lack of fear of the snake, maybe the snake was of no danger and therefore the child did not have to fear. I'm far from being an expert on this so to speculate would be to talk out of my ass, something I have very little inclination to do ;-)

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Lady A, contrary as this sounds, if intuition is inborn, how does one hone that skill ? One can only improve on that which we learn


Well like anything we are born with, we can accentuate it or not. For example, the sense of smell/taste in wine tasting. With several wine tasting classes, I learned to develop my pallet in order to distinguish the subtlety in wine.

I think the sense of intuition can be sharpened in much the same way, out of need or desire to do so.

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RE: Domina Intuition - 1/9/2010 6:23:35 PM   
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Was the baby safe from the cobra or did the cobra feel safe with the baby?


I dont think it matters. My point is most western children would be scared, because adults have told them snakes are dangerous. The Indian baby showed no fear, even when the Cobra flared its hood and hissed.


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RE: Domina Intuition - 1/9/2010 6:25:38 PM   
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Was the baby safe from the cobra or did the cobra feel safe with the baby?


I dont think it matters. My point is most western children would be scared, because adults have told them snakes are dangerous. The Indian baby showed no fear, even when the Cobra flared its hood and hissed.


While I get that, I don't see how it ties into the OP.

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RE: Domina Intuition - 1/9/2010 6:32:08 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

PS & Peon - wouldn't that be experience rather than intuition?

Intuition is the apparent ability to acquire knowledge without inference or the use of reason, instinct, our gut as Solange said above...

- LA


Without trying to sound pedantic, intuition is the decision we make when entering a given situation. What motivates that decision is our experiences. I guess we could call it experience, intuition, gut feeling, all describe the same resulting action.


Actually, I'm sorry, but LA is more on the mark....

Main Entry: in·tu·i·tion
Pronunciation: \ˌin-tü-ˈi-shən, -tyü-\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English intuycyon, from Late Latin intuition-, intuitio act of contemplating, from Latin intuēri to look at, contemplate, from in- + tuēri to look at
Date: 15th century
1 : quick and ready insight
2 a : immediate apprehension or cognition b : knowledge or conviction gained by intuition c : the power or faculty of attaining to direct knowledge or cognition without evident rational thought and inference

I see the definitions, although describing similar things, to be two different "types" of intuition.

The first, is one's ability to quickly evaluate a situation and determine how to best handle it. Sometimes the "fight or flight" gut feeling would apply here. Yes, that intuition can be based on knowledge and experience, but also the ability to read body language and see the "big picture" quickly.

The second which is, I believe, more the type that LA is referring to can be more contemplative, and I believe will usually "kick in" when the first one sets off bells in our head. Kind of like how during a five minute conversation with someone you can walk away going "I just don't trust that person."

I believe that everyone has intution. The problem is that many people don't trust their "gut" or just simply ignore it. Like the wife whose husband has cheated on her for years. Yep, all the signs were there, she saw them, but because she didn't WANT to believe it was true, she ignored her gut feeling, her intuition.

Almost any article or book that one would read on intuition, more than anything else, encourages the reader to trust their instincts. Often though, people who trust their gut and go with their instinct are called "impulsive" by society and their friends, family, etc. will keep telling them that they haven't "thought things through." While a person could reach the same conclusion with careful contemplation, often what happens is that they begin to question their own judgement.

Look at some of the "new" submissive women who post questions. Their "gut" tells them that the guy they are currently involved with is wrong in what he is telling her, but she questions that instinct. Why? Because somewhere along the way, someone has told her that things are SO different in BDSM relationships that her gut couldn't possibly be right in thinking the guy is a loser. Instead, the post is made and those who have been around longer "confirm" that her intuition, her gut instinct was right and we encourage her to trust it more in the future.

What Peon seems to be referring to is attraction, which when we are young will often override our intution and instinct about people. Men are not the only ones who are guilty of thinking with the wrong brain. But perhaps what does happen as we mature and get older is that we are less apt to be blinded by raw physical attraction and start looking at the "big picture."

Because after all, when a person matures, in theory, they develop a bit more self confidence, and they learn to trust those instincts a bit more than when they were young.

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RE: Domina Intuition - 1/9/2010 6:32:25 PM   
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Maybe Im just stuck on basic instincts < Trys to smile innocently >

I just think it shows that intuitive acts, such as fear of snakes, are taught as we grow. As I said before, maybe some things we call intuition are there from birth, others we learn from experience and those around us.

Its an interesting topic all the same, but my intuition, as well as me clock, tells me it is time to wish you goodnight.

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