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RE: Domina Intuition - 1/9/2010 6:34:14 PM   
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Actually, it's a very disturbing twist to the story.

A hooded and hissing cobra clearly is feeling threatened, and while I support the snake charmer daddy in doing whatever he pleases, an infant is not equipped to make the same determination

In any case, I think even in India, a place that knows the cobra well, leaving one on the floor with a gurgling tot might be frowned on by the public at large

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RE: Domina Intuition - 1/9/2010 6:43:34 PM   
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We will have to differ Ladies. I was watching a show about a Cobras in Indian society. They are often kept inside the house and one was shown on the floor of the room beside a baby. Baby and snake were content to be on the mat together. The father was a snake charmer and had never shown fear in front of the snake. The baby therefore, hadnt picked up on that fear. We, in the west, grow up watching films where the deadly snake bites and kills someone, so that fear is taught and not intuitive.

Lady A, contrary as this sounds, if intuition is inborn, how does one hone that skill ? One can only improve on that which we learn.

Oddly enough I seem to recall thinking humans are born intuitive, maybe thats true with some situations and not others.


The age of the baby would be very important in your example. For instance, cats are not instinctually afraid of dogs, it is a trait that is developed.

Intution is indeed a trait that people are born with, how it is "honed" is as simple as listening to your intution instead of pushing it back down and ignoring it.

I'm not quite sure how things that people are afraid of would be "intuitive." I have arachnophobia. Nothing has ever happened to cause this fear. Although it is a phobia, an irrational illogical fear of something.

For me "intuition" is not about fear, it is about how ability to judge a situation or person without necessarily having a dossier in front of us telling us all we need to know about the person. (Just as an example).

The bottom line is not whether or not men, women, dominants, dominas or anyone else HAS intuition. Everyone has it, some just don't listen to it.

I think to a large degree it could be said that dominas, who typically are pretty self confident have learned to trust their intuition about things.

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RE: Domina Intuition - 1/9/2010 7:09:33 PM   
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I'm nature/nurture on this one: I think 'intuition'/'gut feelings' are a mix of personal experience with both conscious and unconscious responses, mixed with primal instinct.

I remember reading an article that the first thing we notice about a person coming towards us down a city street is gender. I disagreed: the first thing we notice is threat/no threat: are they screaming/yelling/running away from Godzilla/throwing an assegai/tossing a grenade? Nope? Now I'll check out the T's and A's.

Apparently we take < 1/10th of a second to discern correctly which side a person is going to pass us on that street: it's amazing to see it in slow motion: my eyes flick left, you turn to my left, we pass without incidence and we're barely conscious of it, but it's both forebrain and hindbrain helping us dance.

So when my gut is telling me something, I tell my forebrain to PAY ATTENTION and figger out why the hindbrain wants to fly, fight or f***.

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RE: Domina Intuition - 1/9/2010 7:16:35 PM   
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Intuition comes in many forms, I believe. Some people are very intuitive when it comes to other people. I think intuition and empathy are related. The more you're able to come outside yourself and feel for someone else, the more intuitive you are. You have to be in-tuned to people in order to have a 6th sense. If you're too self-absorbed, you're not giving yourself the opportunity to feel much outside of yourself, you're not coming outside yourself to feel/feel for someone else.

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RE: Domina Intuition - 1/9/2010 7:37:18 PM   
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I know that there are many, quite different, definitions of 'intuition'.  I don't really care - the one that works, for me, is simply, 'the knowledge of the unconscious' - something that one knows, but which one doesn't understand how one knows.

Whatever - the big, practical problem so far as I can see is that if there's a special case of it in the form of 'women's intuition' - then, they don't use it. 

I would recommend that they do use it.  I would recommend this because they keep ballsing up when choosing partners and the evidence for this is regularly sprayed all over these forums.



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RE: Domina Intuition - 1/9/2010 7:39:31 PM   
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Why do you keep running into the same types of women? Maybe you ought to get out more, Sir.

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RE: Domina Intuition - 1/9/2010 7:48:32 PM   
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Why do you keep running into the same types of women? Maybe you ought to get out more, Sir.


Gah!  That's the second time I've been called "Sir" tonight!  No!  I haven't been addressed that way since I did teaching practice.  Take that back!!

I am getting out more.  For instance, tomorrow, I'm going to spend a week with a  very long-standing, generally very intelligent, female friend who's just given birth.  The father can't be there because he got deported back to the USA when he arrived last month.  This happened because he a) had no bank account b) has a criminal record and c) is, generally, a useless fuckwit.  Oh, and I've just heard that he's an alcoholic.

If I get out more, I only meet more women who fall for men like this!

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RE: Domina Intuition - 1/9/2010 7:58:14 PM   
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It's true that many times people make good decisions based on intuition, knowing the right answer but not really knowing how they know it. What's going on is that their subconscious is accumulating and analyzing the information they've absorbed, but they aren't really aware of the process.

However, in most cases the concept of intuition is closely tied to the idea of "first impressions" being correct most of the time, and both are largely bullsh**.

You get a "first impression" of a person you've just met, and your intuition tells you that this person is good, bad, whatever. Time passes, and lo and behold, your first impression is proven correct by what this person says and does. The ensuing evidence supports your intuition, your first impression. Or so you think. What has really happened in most cases is that your first impression creates a bias in your data gathering and analysis. You overlook information that would refute your intuition, and focus on that which supports it. Research has shown this to be the reason that people often believe in their intuition even when it was wrong.



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RE: Domina Intuition - 1/9/2010 8:41:06 PM   
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Gah!  That's the second time I've been called "Sir" tonight!  No!  I haven't been addressed that way since I did teaching practice.  Take that back!!

I am getting out more.  For instance, tomorrow, I'm going to spend a week with a  very long-standing, generally very intelligent, female friend who's just given birth.  The father can't be there because he got deported back to the USA when he arrived last month.  This happened because he a) had no bank account b) has a criminal record and c) is, generally, a useless fuckwit.  Oh, and I've just heard that he's an alcoholic.

If I get out more, I only meet more women who fall for men like this!


Well, Peon, I'm glad that your friend has you to help her. Sad that of course the fuckwit (I like that word by the way, adding to my favorites along with asshat), was from the USA. We have so many here, we really would prefer y'all kept some of them over there, lol.


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It's true that many times people make good decisions based on intuition, knowing the right answer but not really knowing how they know it. What's going on is that their subconscious is accumulating and analyzing the information they've absorbed, but they aren't really aware of the process.

However, in most cases the concept of intuition is closely tied to the idea of "first impressions" being correct most of the time, and both are largely bullsh**.

You get a "first impression" of a person you've just met, and your intuition tells you that this person is good, bad, whatever. Time passes, and lo and behold, your first impression is proven correct by what this person says and does. The ensuing evidence supports your intuition, your first impression. Or so you think. What has really happened in most cases is that your first impression creates a bias in your data gathering and analysis. You overlook information that would refute your intuition, and focus on that which supports it. Research has shown this to be the reason that people often believe in their intuition even when it was wrong.



I have to disagree with you here. At least in my case. I have worked in the legal field for a very long time, and as part of my job, I would do "intake" the interviewing of a new client to find out exactly what they wanted an attorney for. Obviously, the goal is to find reasons that you WANT to take the case, and to find strengths for representing them. Often, within a tweny minute conference, I am able to find both the good and the bad, and I know exactly what is missing or where the "holes" in the case are. The "first impression" we are looking for isn't that the potential client is a loser, but often that is what would happen.

I learned to trust my "gut" and my intuition a long time ago. What you are talking about happens so often in relationships because people don't want to believe that something is wrong. That's more the whole "blinded by love" scenario, and I think everyone has fallen into that trap at least once in their life no matter how short a period of time it lasted.

I think that LadyAngelika's point is not whether or not intuition, instinct, gut or whatever you choose to call it exists, rather wondering why in some ways (as in knowing how to please your lover), the instinct is strong, and yet in other ways (not seeing a partner for the cheater they were), the instincts are ignored. Wondering what makes us pay attention in one instance, but ignore it in others.

Now certainly, getting to know your partner has a lot to "intuitively" knowing how to please them, tease them or torture them. But sometimes, we make the assumption (in a good way) that our partner will enjoy something not necessarily based on a conversation, but on other "cues." I see this a lot with people who seem to be very "in tune" with each other. From the moment my partner and I got together, we seemed to be very "in tune," finishing each other's thoughts and knowing what each would enjoy. It had little to do with how well we knew each other at that point, it was our first date. Fourteen years later, it still happens, but now we do know each other very well, and the "in tuneness" (if that's a word) has simply increased.

Just like in the opposite. Using LA's example of someone cheating. When she looked back, she could pick out all the "signals" that something was wrong, but why didn't she "act" on them? Typically, because at the time they were occurring, she didn't WANT them to be true. Who could blame her? No one wants to be betrayed, so it isn't uncommon to try to come up with other reasons for the suspicious behavior. Some people will "ignore" those cues forever. Others, like LA eventually realize that enough is wrong that it is time to end it. Even if then she didn't end it specifically for the cheating, her "inner voice" her intuition starting smacking her upside the head hard enough to make her listen and when it was over, she opened herself up to seeing all the things she didn't want to see before.

Again, how does one "hone" their intuition? They learn to trust themselves and listen to those little inner voices. For me, listening to my inner voice is easy. I can usually analyze a situation very quickly, make a decision and that's the end of it. Some people think that I am impulsive (they don't believe I can figure it out that fast), others say that I have good instincts and am very intuitive.

Now I have no doubt that if Lady Angelika thinks that I have interpreted her question wrong, she will make it a point to let us all know. I also have little doubt that she would ever ignored the "clues" that a partner might be cheating on her ever again. So does that mean she "honed" her intuition or that she learned from experience? Better yet, does it matter which it is? She doesn't strike me as the type that will typically repeat past mistakes.

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RE: Domina Intuition - 1/9/2010 9:06:21 PM   
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LafayetteLady, I'm pleased to say that this time around, you understood my OP absolutely perfectly! Your addition to this was absolutely perfect.

I specifically like this point:

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I think that LadyAngelika's point is not whether or not intuition, instinct, gut or whatever you choose to call it exists, rather wondering why in some ways (as in knowing how to please your lover), the instinct is strong, and yet in other ways (not seeing a partner for the cheater they were), the instincts are ignored. Wondering what makes us pay attention in one instance, but ignore it in others.


Like you, I am often considered impulsive. "Too quick to judge" is usually the way it is expressed. I usually know right away if a man has potential for me or not. The last guy I tried dating casually back in September (we went on 4 dates) was livid when I told him that I didn't want to proceed. He blew up at me. My instincts told me he had a lot of unresolved anger and boy was I on the money! Anger management lessons anyone? ;-) I've learned that life is too short to not listen to my gut and to turn a blind eye to the signs. That doesn't mean that I don't take some calculated risks.

On the flip side, I often get asked by men I've been with or discussed with how on earth it is that I understand so well. Intuition, simply. I can't read every man of course, but the ones I feel an affinity with, oh yeah. I have freaked a few out, knowing their desires before they did.

- LA

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RE: Domina Intuition - 1/9/2010 9:26:00 PM   
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That doesn't mean that I don't take some calculated risks.

- LA


And this is where people will often call me "impulsive." They have trouble conceptualizing that I can calculate the risk in a matter of nanoseconds.

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RE: Domina Intuition - 1/9/2010 9:30:16 PM   
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That doesn't mean that I don't take some calculated risks.

- LA


And this is where people will often call me "impulsive." They have trouble conceptualizing that I can calculate the risk in a matter of nanoseconds.


In this, we experience similar reactions. But I don't care what people say, it has been the secret of my success, especially in my career.

- LA

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RE: Domina Intuition - 1/9/2010 11:00:15 PM   
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Disagree with me all you want about intuition and first impressions. What I wrote has been researched and pretty well proven. The first impression creates a bias which results in that first impression being very seldom disproven.

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RE: Domina Intuition - 1/9/2010 11:06:34 PM   
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Disagree with me all you want about intuition and first impressions. What I wrote has been researched and pretty well proven. The first impression creates a bias which results in that first impression being very seldom disproven.

I think the first impression is very powerful. I do however think that it is something very different than intuition. LafayetteLady described it well in her post.

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RE: Domina Intuition - 1/10/2010 10:30:40 AM   
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Why do you keep running into the same types of women? Maybe you ought to get out more, Sir.


Gah!  That's the second time I've been called "Sir" tonight!  No!  I haven't been addressed that way since I did teaching practice.  Take that back!!


a) had no bank account b) has a criminal record and c) is, generally, a useless fuckwit.  Oh, and I've just heard that he's an alcoholic.

If I get out more, I only meet more women who fall for men like this!


So, you seem to be a magnet for women who fall for fuckwits?

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RE: Domina Intuition - 1/10/2010 10:33:17 AM   
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Why do you keep running into the same types of women? Maybe you ought to get out more, Sir.


Gah!  That's the second time I've been called "Sir" tonight!  No!  I haven't been addressed that way since I did teaching practice.  Take that back!!




I take it back.

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RE: Domina Intuition - 1/10/2010 10:49:52 AM   
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Why do you keep running into the same types of women? Maybe you ought to get out more, Sir.


Gah!  That's the second time I've been called "Sir" tonight!  No!  I haven't been addressed that way since I did teaching practice.  Take that back!!


a) had no bank account b) has a criminal record and c) is, generally, a useless fuckwit.  Oh, and I've just heard that he's an alcoholic.

If I get out more, I only meet more women who fall for men like this!


So, you seem to be a magnet for women who fall for fuckwits?


The woman in question is a long-standing friend of Peon's.  He and I may often be at loggerheads, but I will say one thing for him:  he doesn't give up on his friends unless it's absolutely imperative, their ability to fall for fuckwits notwithstanding. 

Edited to add:  This, of course, does not apply to me.  I do NOT fall for fuckwits.  At least, not for any great length of time.

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RE: Domina Intuition - 1/10/2010 3:25:06 PM   
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I do NOT fall for fuckwits. At least, not for any great length of time.

And is that because you use your intuition? ;-)

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RE: Domina Intuition - 1/10/2010 4:27:04 PM   
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I do NOT fall for fuckwits. At least, not for any great length of time.

And is that because you use your intuition? ;-)

- LA


Nah.  If my intuition were any good, I wouldn't give 'em a chance in the first place.  It's because of my "screw this, I'd rather be home alone with a good book, a decent bottle of champagne, and my kitty" attitude.  Which, if you think about it, isn't a bad alternative to a functioning intuition.  Though I admit the champagne gets a bit expensive after a while. 


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RE: Domina Intuition - 1/10/2010 4:57:56 PM   
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Though I admit the champagne gets a bit expensive after a while. 

Might I suggest Prosecco as an equally refreshing yet less expensive alternative? ;-)

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