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RE: Pat Robertson Is a Crazy - 1/15/2010 11:30:14 AM   
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It's a secret code that only socialists and the French can understand. 

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RE: Pat Robertson Is a Crazy - 1/15/2010 11:31:16 AM   
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It's a secret code that only socialists and the French can understand. 


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RE: Pat Robertson Is a Crazy - 1/15/2010 11:32:04 AM   
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It's a secret code that only socialists and the French can understand. 



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RE: Pat Robertson Is a Crazy - 1/15/2010 11:46:20 AM   
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What amazes me even more than insane proclamations from Pat Robertson (and Jerry Falwell when he was still around) is that he has so many people who listen to him and support his insanity.

Just scary.

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RE: Pat Robertson Is a Crazy - 1/15/2010 12:00:56 PM   
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Yeah but where did Elvis get the idea to swivel his hips? I'll bet it was watching somebody using a hula-hoop.


True, so the hula-hoop is the originator of the evil.. but the word "Hula" is Hawaiian, and we all know what evil people Hawaiians are with their pagan rituals, etc....


and communist presidents!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
edited to add, well  his short from birth cert says hes hawaiian. Of course the divination of Orly Taitz believes other wise.
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RE: Pat Robertson Is a Crazy - 1/15/2010 12:05:41 PM   
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and communist presidents!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


He is from Kenya, silly!

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edited to add, thanks!



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RE: Pat Robertson Is a Crazy - 1/15/2010 12:14:06 PM   
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Socialism (whether national socialism or communism) is the taking of one's productive capacity at gunpoint for another.



Actually, true socialism is where the government gains a monopoly over the factors of production.

Capitalism is where there exists a free and open market allowing equal access to all

Oligarchy (the system we have in America) is where a few powerful private interests gain a near-monopoly over both the factos of production and the levers of government power.

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RE: Pat Robertson Is a Crazy - 1/15/2010 12:22:42 PM   
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Socialism (whether national socialism or communism) is the taking of one's productive capacity at gunpoint for another.



Actually, true socialism is where the government gains a monopoly over the factors of production.

Capitalism is where there exists a free and open market allowing equal access to all

Oligarchy (the system we have in America) is where a few powerful private interests gain a near-monopoly over both the factos of production and the levers of government power.


That is somewhat true, except oligarchy has the component of family to it, which plutocracy is closer to what you seek to describe in the USA...or plutarchy.

There are many sorts of socialisms out there... it would depend on the variety that you mean.

If someone wanted to describe me as a socialist anarchist this would be more accurate than a socialist.


There are many political ideologies out there, some are similar to others even though their labels would not necessarily be something that the average american would know about, or put together for that matter


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RE: Pat Robertson Is a Crazy - 1/15/2010 1:21:46 PM   
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True, so the hula-hoop is the originator of the evil.. but the word "Hula" is Hawaiian, and we all know what evil people Hawaiians are with their pagan rituals, etc....


Everyone, it seems, is evil to somebody - therefore we shall all go to Hell.

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RE: Pat Robertson Is a Crazy - 1/15/2010 1:26:02 PM   
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What amazes me even more than insane proclamations from Pat Robertson (and Jerry Falwell when he was still around) is that he has so many people who listen to him and support his insanity.

Just scary.


I think Pat and Domi are cousins.

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RE: Pat Robertson Is a Crazy - 1/15/2010 1:58:44 PM   
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I admit I havent read any of this thread but I will go back later and catch up. I wanted to post a letter a good old friend of mine emailed me from the States. I asked him if I could share it and he said, "Yep."

"I lived in Haiti in 1981 for about two months. I was there to teach English at an Episcopal school for Haitian kids, but ended up not doing that, because the nuns who ran the “asylum” were way scary. A bit of frustrated passive-aggression in the nuns, to put it mildly. The poverty in Port-au-Prince, which is also the capital of Haiti, was profound, hot tropical climate, filth and stench everywhere. About a million people lived in the “city” at the time. In spite of that there was art EVERYWHERE. I went to several dudes shacks, and they had a few pots and pans, and say, a dozen canvases for sale; so their little money went to oil paint supplies, because they loved to paint. Everybody painted. The galleries had massive racks of paintings to the ceilings, stood up like dominoes. Super Artistic People.

The president at the time was Baby Doc Duvalier. He was the “heir” to the “presidency” which was little other than a dictatorship. He lived lavishly and was hated by the people, but of course was supported by the U.S. He was driven to and from the airport in the presidential limo, guarded with an armed convoy that RACED through the super crowded streets, so no one could hit the cars with rocks. The convoy often hit or even ran over people, but never stopped. He lived in the heavily guarded “presidential palace compound” you might have seen collapsed in pictures. Sometimes Baby Doc would throw money out of a window as they raced by, I guess out of guilt. The contrasts were so big. It was a bizarre place.

Unfortunately, Port-au-Prince was was built mostly out of unreinforced concrete, because steel rebar was expensive. Wood was very rare, because the hills of the island had been denuded over a hundred years ago by a desperate population, and then erosion had washed a lot of the topsoil away preventing much regrowth. Concrete was cheap. As a result, the earthquake caused huge slabs of concrete to break loose, like bombs. If you look at some of the rubble photos, you will see very little rebar steel sticking out. Sad news, because the death toll has the signs of being very high. Ironically, the poorest might have fared better, because their tin shacks would have been way light. Don't know.

Voodoo was a remnant of the african way of life, since Haiti had been populated as a slave trade station, and was mostly integrated into Catholicism. Its expression was for celebratory things, and was very creative and positive, in an earthy way, very joyous. The bad taboo on Voodoo goes back to slave control over the people. I heard Pat Robertson said the earthquake was god's punishment on the Hatians for worshipping the devil through Voodoo. What a effing turd that dude is. Think he's ever been there? Please...

Sad, sad time for Haiti.

God...please help'em...if you can. Thanks."


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RE: Pat Robertson Is a Crazy - 1/15/2010 2:43:39 PM   
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Crazy? Yes.  Crazy like a fox? Look at his results.  Rich.  Powerful.  It's very sad.

I'm not absotootly sure about this, but was it Pat Robertson (or some other fundegelical) who mounted Operation Hope or something like that.  Raised funds from his flock (sheep; such an apt description) for aid to Africa.  Spent it on mining equipment and the planes to deliver it to his diamond mine there?

Or Operation Rescue, which raised funds for Katrina relief.  (Even listed on a USGov site as an "approved charity" for that...for awhile) And siphoned that in an equally venal way?

Whether or not he did that, I agree with the panel.

But the surprise you're showing that anyone follows the guy is misplaced.  I've heard some pretty scary stats relating to religiosity in the US.  According to several recent surveys (Pew Forum and, I believe, Varna sp?), a large percentage of Americans have, let's say, rather fundamentalist beliefs.

Couldn't find quite the info I wanted in my quick scan.  Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life (2007; 35,000 surveyed) http://religions.pewforum.org/reports  says 26.1% are evangelical. But that isn't the scary part. Over 40% share some of Robertson & co.'s nutty views.  No, not about voodoo, etc.  But stuff that put them in his camp.  New earth creationism and so on.

That gives turds like Robertson a BIG demographic to leach off.





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RE: Pat Robertson Is a Crazy - 1/15/2010 2:50:11 PM   
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Isn't he the guy that about ten years ago told his "flock" that if they didn't raise a certain amount of money within a certain time period that God would be "calling him home?" lol

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RE: Pat Robertson Is a Crazy - 1/15/2010 2:59:33 PM   
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Nope, that was oral roberts, and he has been called home long ago, praise god.

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RE: Pat Robertson Is a Crazy - 1/15/2010 3:05:28 PM   
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he has been claimed (self-proclaimed, I think) to be a democrat.

Well, that's the problem with the Democrats in a nutshell, isn't it? They'll have anybody so long as they're not a Republican. If there was more of a consensus among the party, maybe the Republicans wouldn't have been able to run them so ragged over this healthcare bill...


LaRouche tried to campaign as a Democrat but the Democratic National Committee refused to recognize his candidacy, so he formed his own group called the National Democratic Policy Committee which was never acknowledged as an official part of the Democratic Party.

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RE: Pat Robertson Is a Crazy - 1/15/2010 3:08:21 PM   
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Isn't he the guy that about ten years ago told his "flock" that if they didn't raise a certain amount of money within a certain time period that God would be "calling him home?" lol


Pretty sure that was Oral Roberts.  (Yet another douche who started a university to turn out hordes of other not-actually-educated douches.)  Funny comment I heard recently: Okay, he got the "necessary" pledges. But what if "God called him home" the next week cuz a couple of the checks bounced?

Rick Warren (yup, they guy who did the prayer at Obama's Inaugural) did pretty close to the same thing LAST MONTH.  Okay, it was his ministry that was gonna die if they didn't catch up on a $900K shortfall.  (Shortfall?  Short of what?  The crazy figure they WANTED to bring in that month?)

The result?  $2.4 Million. 

Go ahead.  Apply your forehead to your desk.  I am.

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RE: Pat Robertson Is a Crazy - 1/15/2010 3:13:42 PM   
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Nope, that was oral roberts, and he has been called home long ago, praise god.



Yes praise merciful God. I would venture to say home for Oral Roberts (who names their kid Oral?) is not the same house God lives in.

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RE: Pat Robertson Is a Crazy - 1/15/2010 3:17:57 PM   
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Isn't he the guy that about ten years ago told his "flock" that if they didn't raise a certain amount of money within a certain time period that God would be "calling him home?" lol


Pretty sure that was Oral Roberts.  (Yet another douche who started a university to turn out hordes of other not-actually-educated douches.)  Funny comment I heard recently: Okay, he got the "necessary" pledges. But what if "God called him home" the next week cuz a couple of the checks bounced?

Rick Warren (yup, they guy who did the prayer at Obama's Inaugural) did pretty close to the same thing LAST MONTH.  Okay, it was his ministry that was gonna die if they didn't catch up on a $900K shortfall.  (Shortfall?  Short of what?  The crazy figure they WANTED to bring in that month?)

The result?  $2.4 Million. 

Go ahead.  Apply your forehead to your desk.  I am.



Dom61 lol at "checks bounced." A "university" eh? Do they give out "degrees?"

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RE: Pat Robertson Is a Crazy - 1/15/2010 3:44:41 PM   
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Dom61 lol at "checks bounced." A "university" eh? Do they give out "degrees?"


Yes, and they are accredited.

Liberty University, started by Falwell, even has an ABA accredited law school.



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RE: Pat Robertson Is a Crazy - 1/15/2010 3:51:02 PM   
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Christian engineering? What the fuck is christian engineering? "We don't need rebar for that bridge, we have faith it won't fall down."?

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