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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/16/2010 8:54:32 PM   
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There are at least 5 threads a week on this topic. We are trying hard not to talk about this on this thread. ;-)


oh ok sorry new to these boards, wont bring it up on this thread anymore....!


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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/16/2010 8:58:08 PM   
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You can call me Lucy Ricardo


<hijacking>

[Ricky and Lucy are doing a show together]
Ricky Ricardo: I've got a joke you never heard in your life. I know a girl who's so dumb she thinks a football coach has four wheels. Ha ha ha.
[Audience is silent]
Lucy Ricardo: How many wheels does it have?
[Audience laughs]

</hijacking>

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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/16/2010 8:59:50 PM   
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Don't doubt you at all, Lockit made the same very valid point, and i replied to her - what i described there is just one of the many expressions of female dominance, IMHO


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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/16/2010 9:00:30 PM   
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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/16/2010 9:04:50 PM   
LadyAngelika


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ORIGINAL: arkolt2000

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There are at least 5 threads a week on this topic. We are trying hard not to talk about this on this thread. ;-)


oh ok sorry new to these boards, wont bring it up on this thread anymore....!


No worries. Look even right now there are 2 on the first page of Ask A Mistress:

forced femizition
I swear it's not a generic forced fem thread

In fact, I don't actually believe in "Forced" Masculinity. I just figured with so many men wanting to be "forced" to be dressed as a woman (oh it takes so much forcing I'm sure when they come begging for it), I figured I wanted to "force" them to be a man.

I generally go for men who are Alpha males but want to submit to me. I'll point you to a post I made earlier in this thread where I explained a little bit how I see this:

I really think it is that I romanticize the knight, the strong protective man who slays dragons for his Queen. He is in her service, he will never abandon her or leave her side. In return, she will give him a purpose, will love him, will admire him, will cherish him, will train him to be an even better knight, an ever better man for her. She will work on being a better Queen for him. Sounds all silly and fairytale-like huh? Well in that sense, maybe I'm like every other girl, expect that my fairytale is twisted!

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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/16/2010 9:14:02 PM   
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I really think it is that I romanticize the knight, the strong protective man who slays dragons for his Queen. He is in her service, he will never abandon her or leave her side. In return, she will give him a purpose, will love him, will admire him, will cherish him, will train him to be an even better knight, an ever better man for her. She will work on being a better Queen for him. Sounds all silly and fairytale-like huh? Well in that sense, maybe I'm like every other girl, expect that my fairytale is twisted!


Yes completely understand what you're saying.

i think it's exactly as you describe it - just a twisted version of "what every girl wants".

i.e: a good resourceful guy that will submit to her interests (with an element reciprocation of course).

I guess chivalry is part of that - i think of chivalry as basically a man saying "your life is more important than mine" - an expression of that through behaviours. Reassurance that you will act as a guardian should the woman be threatened in any way. It's a really strong and secure expression of submission. it's nice actually.

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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/16/2010 9:14:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: arkolt2000

what i described there is just one of the many expressions of female dominance, IMHO


One we see too often and that this thread is trying to debunk ;-)

Oh and I haven't said it yet, so welcome to the boards!

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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/16/2010 9:30:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		This thread has swayed me!

I am so totally going to acquire a cheerleader type girl, give her a crew cut, and make her dress GQ.

Go build a spice rack for me, dude! NOW! *SLAP*


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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/16/2010 9:32:01 PM   
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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/16/2010 9:44:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		I got a message from ourmsbetty on the other side who sent me a link to Character Traits of a Real Man - Loyal, Logical, Understanding, Negotiating, Vulnerable Ms. Margaret Davis. I think it actually an awesome resource.

What's a Man?
by Ms. Margaret Davis

A real man gets in your heart, not in your face.
A real man takes time to listen. He values communication and respects the needs of others.
A real man sets priorities.
A real man researches all his options, lists his choices and thinks before making a decision.
A real man never makes decisions when his emotions are not under control. He would rather wait three days than risk overreacting.
A real man uses logic, compromise, and negotiation to solve problems.
A real man chooses his fights and knows the facts before he takes a stand.
A real man uses motivation rather than intimidation.
A real man doesn't offer excuses or blame others for his choices.
A real man knows that not everything in life is a crisis.
A real man doesn't need to raise his voice or upgrade his personality when company is around. He is consistent.
A real man doesn't brag. Time reveals what matters.
A real man accepts the challenges of being vulnerable and intimate. He knows the depth of his maturity and the length of his attention span are the only real measurements that count.
A real man values good manners. Humility is a strength not a weakness.
A real man is clean and guards his health.
A real man uses humor to enrich rather than ridicule. He can smile.
A real man uses his strengths and admits his weaknesses. He can ask for help.
A real man is honest. He neither creates delusions nor false hopes.
A real man is loyal. He values the trust people place in him.

- LA

PS: I confirmed with ourmsbetty that I could refer to her on these forums.



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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/16/2010 10:02:36 PM   
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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/16/2010 10:05:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: KITTYLECTRO

If they're successful building the spice rack and I wish to further increase their manliness, I'll then force them to join collarme forums to make sweeping negative generalizations against transgendered persons and people into crossdressing or feminization. 


Good luck with that! :-)

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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/16/2010 10:12:12 PM   
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If they're successful building the spice rack and I wish to further increase their manliness, I'll then force them to join collarme forums to make sweeping negative generalizations against transgendered persons and people into crossdressing or feminization. 


Kitty... we all went through this on the 'Forced Feminization' thread. It is clear you have some experiences that may have been pretty awful and in many ways I do understand... but I would point you in the direction of the thread I just mentioned and link here. Notice the post by Stella. I have known Stella for years and we have talked at great length on this topic. You are seeing things and accusing us of things that just are not accurate. It is a sensitivity you may find yourself better off with being less sensitive and that will come with further growth. Yes there are people who are doing what you say... in life all over the place... but for the most part, I do not believe anyone here is doing what you are angry about.

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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/16/2010 10:21:12 PM   
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I do not believe anyone here is doing what you are angry about.


Lockit, I agree with you. I wrote a post to Kitty in response to you... let me repost.

- LA

< Message edited by LadyAngelika -- 1/16/2010 10:22:39 PM >

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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/16/2010 10:22:29 PM   
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< Message edited by Lockit -- 1/16/2010 10:23:25 PM >

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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/16/2010 10:23:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: KITTYLECTRO

If they're successful building the spice rack and I wish to further increase their manliness, I'll then force them to join collarme forums to make sweeping negative generalizations against transgendered persons and people into crossdressing or feminization. 


In fact, quite the opposite. I see a whole lot of openess on these boards.

Kitty, honestly, you shouldn't be so quick to judge us. I look over at the Eve Kosofsky Sedgwick, Kate Bornstein, Judith Bulter books on my bookshelf which are dog eared from all the essays and research I did 10 years ago on gender. Throughout my life I've had transgendered friends. I even talk earlier on this thread of having an ex-girlfriend who liked to drag king for fun and how she ended up looking like a really cute gay boy.

I just have to roll my eyes when you come on a thread I started to talk about my kink and you take a little pee on it because life happened to have handed you a bad deal.

Not very smart, not very classy. Life is too short to be bitter, honey.

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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/16/2010 10:28:18 PM   
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No, I'm saying that the Dommes I've seen online, like Lady Angelika, don't strike me as being particularly feminine. Which is not a value judgment or anything. But yeah, much like submission is not masculine, domination is not feminine.

I'm not casting aspersions on anyone. I'm just saying that if there was a test, and the test asked you to list a masculine quality and you put down submissive, then you'd fail the test. Because that is definitely not how the rest of the world defines masculine.

There's nothing wrong with not being feminine. It's not casting aspersions to say that lally is more feminine than Lady Angelika. If people want to act like I'm insulting anyone by noting what ought to be an easily agreed on fact, then that's their problem.


I see you are really mastering the art of talking out of your ass. ;-)

I know I'm feminine. The men who have adored me know I'm feminine. Your opinion is of absolutely no consequence.

- LA

< Message edited by LadyAngelika -- 1/16/2010 10:29:28 PM >

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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/16/2010 10:35:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lockit
It is clear you have some experiences that may have been pretty awful and in many ways I do understand...

Odd, I do not recall these 'awful experiences'.

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ORIGINAL: Lockit
Notice the post by Stella.

I'm well aware of Kurt Gerron's later works.

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ORIGINAL: Lockit
You are seeing things and accusing us of things that just are not accurate.

"Who are you going to believe, me or your lying eyes? "
-Groucho Marx


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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/16/2010 10:47:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: KITTYLECTRO

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ORIGINAL: Lockit
It is clear you have some experiences that may have been pretty awful and in many ways I do understand...

Odd, I do not recall these 'awful experiences'.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lockit
Notice the post by Stella.

I'm well aware of Kurt Gerron's later works.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lockit
You are seeing things and accusing us of things that just are not accurate.

"Who are you going to believe, me or your lying eyes? "
-Groucho Marx



Okay... take us however you wish. It might have been nicer to be friends... but since you credit us with such ugliness, I am sure you wouldn't want to be friends.

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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/16/2010 10:52:12 PM   
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...he temporarily stops being masculine and starts being submissive.


Unfortunately, this ignorant way of thinking is shared by many.

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