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RE: Socialism Exposed - 1/19/2010 12:41:20 PM   
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cuck,

Rather obama the socialist than the communist anarchist neo-cons and minneapolis airport bathroom republicans.

But yeah, lets make national policy based on some poorly written and pathetic little ditty that doesn't pass muster beyond the See spot run. Run, spot, run. crowd.

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RE: Socialism Exposed - 1/19/2010 12:43:21 PM   
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Only a liberal would spend us $10 trillion into debt, and act like it's no big deal, and yes we have some rino's (republicans in name only) in Congress that need to go as well.

"When the government creates jobs with more spending, they have to take more and more of your paycheck in taxes or pass the debt on to our children which means they are giving billions in interest payments to wealthy people here and abroad and to other countries, not to mention still owing the debt.

When private industry creates jobs, you actually receive a product or a service when they take your money. Now which would you rather have?"


Soon, we will be paying half a trillion in interest on the national debt. Now, if we declared bankruptcy on the national debt, and only gradually paid back the actual debt, not the interest, then that would leave $10 billion dollars a year for each state.

Now, common sense would tell you that even a socialist/communist would love to have an extra $10 billion dollars a year to spend on social programs.

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RE: Socialism Exposed - 1/19/2010 12:47:09 PM   
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you are spiraling into insanity right before my eyes.

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RE: Socialism Exposed - 1/19/2010 12:48:33 PM   
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fascinating shit...descent into madness.in 3-2-1..oooooooh pretttyyyyyyyyy

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RE: Socialism Exposed - 1/19/2010 12:59:44 PM   
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RE: Socialism Exposed - 1/19/2010 1:29:35 PM   
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Now, common sense would tell you that even a socialist/communist would love to have an extra $10 billion dollars a year to spend on social programs.

Would it? Common sense hasn't told you that socialists don't like owing money or economies based on credit bubbles, after all.

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RE: Socialism Exposed - 1/19/2010 4:49:11 PM   
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The whole point of this article was to point out the dangers of socialism. Obama is a socialist/communist, and there is no doubt about that.

Perhaps not in your mind but the jury is still out for a great many

The very definition of socialism is to take from the rich to give to the poor without the poor having to work for it.
Just where did you get this definition? Or is this another one of your "I said it so it must be so" concepts?


That's what Obama believes in. Democrats believe in hand outs, Republicans believe in hand ups.
The state of Alaska is thouroughly republicrat and they have the highest level of welfare and pork in the whole U.S.


When you have half the country on social security and the other half on government freebies, who does that leave to pay the bills??? 

Social security is a voluntary insurance policy that you may leave at anytime according to the supreme court of the U.S....It is not welfare.


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Socialist Parable Once upon a time, I was invited to the White House for a private dinner with the President. I am a respected businessman, with a factory that produces memory chips for computers and portable electronics. There was some talk that my industry was being scrutinized by the administration, but I paid it no mind. I live in a free country. There's nothing that the government can do to me if I've broken no laws. My wealth was earned honestly, and an invitation to dinner with an American President is an honor.

I checked my coat, was greeted by the Chief of Staff, and joined the President in a yellow dining room. We sat across from each other at a table draped in white linen. The Great Seal was embossed on the china. Uniformed staff served our dinner. The meal was served, and I was startled when my waiter suddenly reached out, plucked a dinner roll off my plate, and began nibbling it as he walked back to the kitchen.

"Sorry about that," said the President. "Andrew is very hungry." "I don't appreciate..." I began, but as I looked into the calm brown eyes across from me, I felt immediately guilty and petty. It was just a dinner roll. "Of course," I concluded, and reached for my glass. Before I could, however, another waiter reached forward, took the glass away and swallowed the wine in a single gulp.

"And his brother Eric is very thirsty." said the President. I didn't say anything. The President is testing my compassion, I thought. I will play along. I don't want to seem unkind. My plate was whisked away before I had tasted a bite.

"Eric's children are also quite hungry." With a lurch, I crashed to the floor. My chair had been pulled out from under me. I stood, brushing myself off angrily, and watched as it was carried from the room."And their grandmother can't stand for long." I excused myself, smiling outwardly, but inside feeling like a fool. Obviously I had been invited to the White House to be sport for some game. I reached for my coat, only to find it had been taken. I turned back to the President.

"Their grandfather doesn't like the cold." I wanted to shout - that was my coat! But again, I looked at the placid smiling face of my host and decided I was being a poor sport. I spread my hands helplessly and chuckled. Then I felt my hip pocket and realized my wallet was gone.

I excused myself and walked to a phone on an elegant side table. I learned shortly that my credit cards had been maxed out, my bank accounts emptied, my retirement and equity portfolios had vanished, and my wife had been thrown out of our home. Apparently, the waiters and their families were moving in.

The President hadn't moved or spoken as I learned all this, but finally I lowered the phone into its cradle and turned to face him.

"Andrew's whole family has made bad financial decisions. They haven't planned for retirement, and they need a house. They recently defaulted on their subprime mortgage.. I told them they could have your home. They need it more than you do."

My hands were shaking. I felt faint. I stumbled back to the table and knelt on the floor.

The President cheerfully cut his meat, ate his steak and drank his wine."By the way," He added, "I have just signed an Executive Order nationalizing your factories. I'm firing you as head of your business. I'll be operating the firm now for the benefit of all mankind. There's a whole bunch of Erics and Andrews out there and they can't come to you for jobs groveling like beggars."

I looked up. The President dropped his spoon into the empty ramekin which had been his crème brulee. He drained the last drops of his wine. As the table was cleared, he lit a cigarette and leaned back in his chair. He stared at me.

I clung to the edge of the table as if were a ledge and I a man hanging over an abyss. I thought of the years behind me, of the life I had lived. The life I had earned with a lifetime of work, risk and struggle. Why was I punished? How had I allowed it to be taken? What game had I played and lost? I looked across the table and noticed with some surprise that there was no game board between us. What had I done wrong?

As if answering the unspoken thought, the President suddenly cocked his head, locked his empty eyes to mine, and bared a million teeth, chuckling wryly as he folded his hands.

"You should have stopped me at the dinner roll," he said.

Wake up, America!!!!

Did you forget the part about andrew and his family being black and how your wife sucked his cock while he was eating your dinner roll?


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RE: Socialism Exposed - 1/19/2010 5:49:09 PM   
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Ayn Rand was a bitter cunt with a very narrow world view.

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Lots of great thinkers were quite bitter and had many horrible personal pecadillos.  She still nailed the topic, though.


Only as viewed through Her own experiences. I would argue there is nothing universal in Ayn Rand's thoughts or writing.

Jeff

And everything comes out the way you want, when you're writing fiction.


There's something funny about that comment when applied to Ayn Rand and Atlas Shrugged.

Remember that the thesis of the novel is that the 'productive' members of society should be unfettered to act in their own selfish interests and that if these same people removed themselves from society civilization would promptly collapse.

However reading the novel what actually happens? Not much until Galt and his cronies go on a terrorist bombing campaign. So even Ayn Rand didn't actually deep down believe the BS she tried to peddle.

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RE: Socialism Exposed - 1/19/2010 6:23:57 PM   
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Only a liberal would spend us $10 trillion into debt, and act like it's no big deal, and yes we have some rino's (republicans in name only) in Congress that need to go as well. 


Okay, I think I get it.  All Dems are socialists, and a lot of the Repubs are as well.  Anyone who doesn't drive up the deficit is a socialist.  So every President since Reagan is a socialist.
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"When the government creates jobs with more spending, they have to take more and more of your paycheck in taxes or pass the debt on to our children which means they are giving billions in interest payments to wealthy people here and abroad and to other countries, not to mention still owing the debt.

When private industry creates jobs, you actually receive a product or a service when they take your money. Now which would you rather have?"
 


I'd rather have private industry do the spending!  Now what I've stated my preference, are they going to do it?  Have you realized that the concept of cost competitiveness means that they have a vested interest in NOT creating jobs?
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Soon, we will be paying half a trillion in interest on the national debt. Now, if we declared bankruptcy on the national debt, and only gradually paid back the actual debt, not the interest, then that would leave $10 billion dollars a year for each state.


WTF?  You're suggesting defaulting on the interest part of the loans, and then giving that part to the states?  Are you trying to reduce the deficit, or divert resources to the states?  or just throwing out weird ideas at random? 
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Now, common sense would tell you that even a socialist/communist would love to have an extra $10 billion dollars a year to spend on social programs.



Sure they would, but stealing it from creditors?!?!?!


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RE: Socialism Exposed - 1/20/2010 2:54:17 AM   
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ORIGINAL: cuckoldmepls

The whole point of this article was to point out the dangers of socialism.



Like what dangers?

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ORIGINAL: cuckoldmepls

Obama is a socialist/communist, and there is no doubt about that.



And I'm Stella Katanga the Queen of Nigeria and there's no doubt about that either.


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The very definition of socialism is to take from the rich to give to the poor without the poor having to work for it.



Complete and utter bollocks. The very definition of socialism is work, having the means for your own work and working for the common good.

I've experienced socialism and communism in Eastern Europe - very little welfare, hardly any unemployment and everybody working.

Which is probably much better than what you appear to believe in, which is probably the rich getting even richer by exploiting the poor and making them work harder for less and less in the name of growth, productivity and profits.

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Democrats believe in hand outs, Republicans believe in hand ups.



And if I were you I'd just stick to hand jobs.. Basic politics appears to be too demanding a subject for you.


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RE: Socialism Exposed - 1/20/2010 1:27:30 PM   
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Could not be any simpler than that.



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RE: Socialism Exposed - 1/20/2010 1:31:23 PM   
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Only a liberal would spend us $10 trillion into debt, and act like it's no big deal, and yes we have some rino's (republicans in name only) in Congress that need to go as well.

"When the government creates jobs with more spending, they have to take more and more of your paycheck in taxes or pass the debt on to our children which means they are giving billions in interest payments to wealthy people here and abroad and to other countries, not to mention still owing the debt.

When private industry creates jobs, you actually receive a product or a service when they take your money. Now which would you rather have?"


Soon, we will be paying half a trillion in interest on the national debt. Now, if we declared bankruptcy on the national debt, and only gradually paid back the actual debt, not the interest, then that would leave $10 billion dollars a year for each state.

Now, common sense would tell you that even a socialist/communist would love to have an extra $10 billion dollars a year to spend on social programs.



When is the next Tea Party? Can I come? Even though I drink socialist free-trade java beans?


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RE: Socialism Exposed - 1/20/2010 2:24:18 PM   
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Only a liberal would spend us $10 trillion into debt, and act like it's no big deal, and yes we have some rino's (republicans in name only) in Congress that need to go as well. 


Reagan doubled the debt as did George W  Bush.

So were they liberals or rinos?






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RE: Socialism Exposed - 1/20/2010 2:29:31 PM   
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Obama is a socialist/communist, and there is no doubt about that. The very definition of socialism is to take from the rich to give to the poor without the poor having to work for it.


.......crikey, you really are a totally ignorant person aint ya?

Obama is neither a socialist or a communist........and the very definition of socialism is not what you claim it to be.

These boards are many things, but utterly ignorant bull shit (from whatever political viewpoint) gets called here.

That's one of the things i like about the place.


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RE: Socialism Exposed - 1/20/2010 2:39:02 PM   
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Socialism:  a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.

By this definition, Obama is hardly a socialist.  We don't have anything but capitalist governing this country.  It is preposterous to think that all the Wall Street execs in the Obama Administration went there to dismantle capitalism.  Currently 45,000 people that die each year in the United States because they don't have health care insurance.  If we can't afford as a society find a way to insure them what we are saying is the rest of us are better off if these people die each year.  They are the victims of capitalism.  Their blood and guts (and many others) grease the wheels of capitalism.  Is it something we can live with?  Is it something we should all be proud of?

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RE: Socialism Exposed - 1/21/2010 7:22:36 AM   
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Meritocracies look like the obvious way to go when everyone involved has an equal starting point (they are all enrolled in college competing for grades.) In a sense this is socialism (equality - same starting point) disguised as a meritocracy (competing for grades.)

Its trickier to impose the merit system when the competitors have vastly different starting points.

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For what its worth, even in Stalinist Russia they had competitive grading, and in the Soviet Union they had a merit system to enter Universities. The system tried to filter the best and the brightest into higher education and minimize money influences on that process.



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RE: Socialism Exposed - 1/21/2010 9:00:29 AM   
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Well, people probably thought Clinton (Bill, not his missus) was a socialist as well. A frightening thought, really.


Obama is a socialist, there is no doubt about that. Read the definition and look at his positions.

Clinton certainly had Socialist leanings until health care lost and he had to move to the center to get anything done. The question is now whether Obama is able to govern more toward the center. If not, expect a lot of fillibusters this year. When both the Senate and the House become more balanced the government may actually accomplish something besides increasing the debt.

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RE: Socialism Exposed - 1/21/2010 9:05:16 AM   
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yes, and republicans are anarchists and communists. we know. we know. we know.

vote socialist!!!!!


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RE: Socialism Exposed - 1/21/2010 9:13:05 AM   
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Obama is a socialist, there is no doubt about that.
Funny...he wouldn't even make it in our Liberal Party up here...socialist....LMAO!!!

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RE: Socialism Exposed - 1/21/2010 9:20:32 AM   
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Socialism:  a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.

By this definition, Obama is hardly a socialist. 


Tell that to the banks, GM, and insurance companies that Obama owns, and the oil and energy companies that he wants to own. "socialized" medicine is called that for a reason. Massive income redistribution is socialism.

Anyone who says his ideology isnt socialist at its core just doesnt want to live with that label.

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