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RE: Dom Psychology - 3/26/2006 8:52:42 AM   
Takethiswaltz


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HI Phoenix,
Thanks for sharing that.  The need to protect,  to be accepted for who you are, to be guaranteed forgiveness even if you make a mistake- these are all telling statements.  I suppose we all have these needs, but perhaps in dominants the need is stronger. 
Where do you think these needs came from?
 
It may seem that "my need" to understand the inner workings of the dominant psyche is an attempt to top from the bottom.  I don't know.  I am capable of blind faith, but I need to know the person through and through before I can get to the faith part.  My best friend is not a perfect person, but I know her pretty well and have blind faith that she would put our friendship first when the need arises.  I would trust her with my life.
 
Another significant question and please feel free not to answer as it is a personal one.  Did you feel overly-controlled, smothered even, as a child?  Do you think any Dominants have this in their background?  I do think that some dominant men were in vanilla marriages, where they felt smothered and without any control of the dynamics of the relationship.
 
Any comments appreciated.
Thank you.
T.
 

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RE: Dom Psychology - 3/28/2006 12:01:51 PM   
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Takethiswaltz,
I'm fairly sure my experience isn't common, but it wasn't the smothering from my parents so much as my general childhood. I grew up (and still do have) tourette's syndrome. Now, it's not "the swearing disease" as some movies may have you think, lol. I had odd tics, muscle movements etc, and growing up I was the one that took the abuse.It wasn't the occasional random motion, before we knew what it was and before I was medicated I looked like something out of a science fiction movie. In my younger years (1st and 2nd grade) I even had some of the other children try to kill me (well, I don't know if it was their intent, but I was held down to a bench and beaten with broomsticks until I almost blacked out) No one was there for me. The teachers just said the kids had "played too rough". I vomited up blood that night. People refused to help me. It happened again my freshman year, with someone saying I "shouldn't be in the gene pool", and then him being found with a gun in his possession and admitting that he wanted to get rid of me. Admittedly, I wasn't the kid's only target, he was a genetic purist, basically a neo-nazi.

I think that's partially where it comes from, why I want to protect people. So people don't have to feel that fear. So people can feel safe, loved, even when they should be afraid. It woke something up inside me. "people shouldn't feel this, no one should feel this".
You probably got more than you asked for in this post, lol, but it's my past. And it probably has a lot to do with my wanting to protect.
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RE: Dom Psychology - 3/28/2006 12:21:16 PM   
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My Sir and I are both huge fans of this site for all sides of a D/s relationship. http://submissiveloving.com/

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RE: Dom Psychology - 3/28/2006 4:24:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Phoenix92x

I think that's partially where it comes from, why I want to protect people. So people don't have to feel that fear. So people can feel safe, loved, even when they should be afraid. It woke something up inside me. "people shouldn't feel this, no one should feel this".
You probably got more than you asked for in this post, lol, but it's my past. And it probably has a lot to do with my wanting to protect.
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Thank you, Phoenix92x. That is inspiring and lovely.
respectfully, fawne

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RE: Dom Psychology - 4/23/2006 10:21:28 PM   
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Hi The Dominant's View has a new url due to an EXTREMELY unscrupulous host.  Visit us over here:
http://www.thedomsview.com

Lots of dominant info there!

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RE: Dom Psychology - 4/24/2006 3:02:25 AM   
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You could also do a book search with the subject being Power and Command.. Still this beggars the question, "If we all psychoanalise the submissices, who psychoanalises the Dominants?"

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RE: Dom Psychology - 4/24/2006 7:17:39 AM   
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There is a lot of real world non fiction on D/s.  One of my favorites is Dr. Charles Moser's book Consensual Sadomasochism.  It covers a number of aspects of both dominance and play that I haven't seen discussed elsewhere.  Dossie Easton has written a number of excellent books, both The Topping Book and The Bottoming Book are wonderful resources.  There are a number of excellent books written by gay men such as The Leatherman's Handbook, Ties That Bind, and others.

My issues with online sites is that too many of them are written by people with limited experience and in isolation.  So while they may be a perfect description of what they do, they don't have a very wide perspective.  Stuff that came out of SF and NY in the '90s was based on the experience of players who had had hundred of partners who themselves had had many partners all of whom had observed hundreds of others.

Years ago in couples therapy with a rather glorious submssive in a rather tortured relationship I once uttered a comment "all my issues come from my father, I have a great relationship with my mother" except due to spending considerable time with my mother recently I am taking a hiatus from committed relationships and evaluating my choices of women!

You won't find much really honest introspective writing because most believe that it shows weakness and most subs respond to a rather shallow level of dominance.  Before anyone gets their panties in a bunch reading into that that I am attacking them, (and you might want to think why you are reacting so strongly) I said "much" and "most" not any and all...

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RE: Dom Psychology - 4/24/2006 7:48:19 AM   
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Phoenix, thank you so very much for your lengthy explanation. Though I am a female my personal feelings on domination, what drives me are almost itentical to what you expressed. What created that in me if I had to think and express would probably be a lifetime of a combination of things. Oldest of 6 children with very disfunctional parents and becoming a mother at the age of 17 trying to take care of everyone in a situation where I never felt I was in control. A constant juggling act. Being married so young and to someone that was himself totally out of control yet not having the tools to take control easily. Looking back it was always a combination of nurturing and wanting to protect and guide others, and wanting to gain control of out of control situations. One thing I have realized is though I do not generally care what most people think of me to have someone trust me and feel safe with me is a HUGE issue. I am very VERY protective of those I love. That may seem contradictory but its really not. The guys that work for me may not always like me, I am quite sure they think I am a total bitch at times BUT they always know that I am consistant in my expectations and demands. And I bake wonderful cookies on occasion...they have to have the rewards also. .......Again, thank you for writing so beautifully thoughts that I share with you.
LT

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RE: Dom Psychology - 4/24/2006 7:50:17 AM   
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ORIGINAL: fastlane

Dom Psychology 101, now that is something I wish they offered at college, rather than Theories of Personality. Fastlane makes a note to write to the board of directors at his alma matta.....Hell, if they can offer the sociology of women's behaviour, why not Dom Psychology?
In the mean time though....refer to your local Sadistic, Dominant, Alpha Male, in your group...and take good notes!



But beware, Domineering is not the same as Dominant, a failing we see in far too many Dominants, male or female. Beligerent, arrogant, demanding and bullying IMHO does not a Dominant make.

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RE: Dom Psychology - 4/24/2006 11:28:05 AM   
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There are some good articles on these sites.......

http://gloria-brame.master.com/

http://www.submissiveloving.com/maledom.html   

http://www.steel-door.com/Chamber.html  

http://www.bcwsd.com/backroom/library.html  

http://www.fetishalliance.net/sitemap.htm  
 


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RE: Dom Psychology - 4/24/2006 10:40:21 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: CrappyDom

You won't find much really honest introspective writing because most believe that it shows weakness and most subs respond to a rather shallow level of dominance. 


Oh!  but they are so wrong... It doesnt show weakness, but rather strength and self-knowledge.
<sigh>  I get so tired of those that can turn a pretty phrase but don't really have anything of value to say.
Not to insult those whose truly write how they feel,  but CM seems to have developed a certain politikink correctness of late. 

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RE: Dom Psychology - 4/24/2006 11:03:01 PM   
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I don’t have anything to say and I wrote a long essay to prove it.

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RE: Dom Psychology - 4/24/2006 11:22:20 PM   
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I was recently reading a thread where RaceBannon said that he had no idea there was another, and that he chose his name from the comic book character of his youth.

Crappy, my friend, I wish you were not so cynical, it so bumms me out...

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RE: Dom Psychology - 4/25/2006 8:39:22 AM   
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Tigress,

I am cynical of much of the scene, but by saying much I am implying there is a bit of depth and beauty, it is just a bit rare is all.

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RE: Dom Psychology - 4/27/2006 4:11:48 AM   
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Psychology of the Dominant. Great subject, I wrote the psychology of a chicken and got it published, so I may have a stab at this (there has to be some correlation).



The OK Dom
Your average Bloke in day to day life: For some, as others have said, it's about the need to be in control of others because of a lack of control of some aspect of their life. I wouldn't necessarily call this person a Dominant person, but someone who "enacts" Dominant behavioural traits (as they see it) as a panacea to some aspect of life which they're unhappy with. D/s is used as a "stress" release and a way to maintain their own self worth. Through D/s they achieve some balance in their life. They'll be pretty normal, and a relationship will mostly work well, more than anything, they're human beings.



The Unbalanced
Affective or Personality Disorders:
At the extreme end, you sometimes find disorders such as Borderline Personality Disorder and Bi-Polar, who take the role of Dominant due to a lack of control of their own emotions. Characteristic of these disorders will be mood swings. Loving at some points, angry and demanding at others, and there will be times when nothing you do pleases them. These people have over-riding self worth problems, and no matter how much you devote yourself to them, you won't alter their self perception (it's about their thoughts, not your actions). NPDs or people with Narcissistic Personality Disorder. These one's don't consider the effect of their behaviour on others, all of their actions are focussed purely on their own needs, and often a-moral views on life. Big warning and danger sign with these people. They are the ones most likely to rage, and pay no attention to limits. Your wants aren't a factor in their life, neither are your emotions. Humiliation will be a big player for both of these groups of people. They need you to seem less worthy than they are. True Sadists are likely to have NPD traits. The submissive which best suits them is also someone with negative self worth (who wants someone to tell them they are worthless and beat them because they believe they are worthless). This type of a relationship is a co-dependent one. An alternative "partner" for them, is someone who has something called a maladaptive self sacrifice schema, who see's their beloved Master's underlying unhappiness, and wants to devote themself to making them happy. They won't.



Wannabe's
Your HNG/Troll Dominant:
They see BDSM as an easy way to get sex. You don't find them under bridges curiously enough. Most likely they will have had little sexual experience, few long term relationships, and not be good at relating to other people's emotions, possibly even be intimidated by women, and have the false perception that a submissive is easier to get into bed because they only say "yes Master". They see a submissive as a less complex person with fewer needs. They want their submissive to be Pamela Anderson. Airhead submissives, or those desperate for a shag apply here.

The Self Centered Male: Fetch my pizza slut. Let me watch the football while you blow me. Need I really say more. In some ways, they want the submissive to be a cross between their Mom and Pamela Anderson. Doormat submissive... the perfect match.



Balanced Doms
A "Modern" Master: They are a Dominant personality because they are in control of themselves, which allows them the stability to guide, teach, and care for others. They'll normally come across as pretty relaxed in day to day life, because they are pretty happy with themselves. Their role will extend further than the bedroom, and be focussed on protection, and care. Pain play, if used, will be linked to stimulation and attaining sub-space - not so much a Sadist as a Sensate. Less likely to use humiliation in scenes as their focus is building self esteem. They also want to continue to learn. They will want a submissive who is intelligent and vibrant.

The Traditional Master: Believes that traditional roles of the Male of the household wearing the trousers is the correct one. Where a submissive shares this view, they will find a mutually fulfilling relationship. His duty, to decision make, provide, direct, and hers is to nurture and to serve. BDSM scening is an extension of this relationship. Not one for the emancipated submissive, but fulfilling for those who want this.

A Kinky Dom: Pretty well balanced with a love of the trappings of BDSM for play and sexual stimulation. For any submissive who wants to scene in the bedroom, but a vanilla life outside.



Got to be a few dozen more, but this may get you started.

Joe


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RE: Dom Psychology - 4/27/2006 4:16:43 AM   
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JoeT2000 excellent post!
 
 
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 FYI it wasn’t me lurking under that bridge.

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RE: Dom Psychology - 4/27/2006 4:48:27 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

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Then you will soon discover that people are either Trekies or Star Wars fans


Hey! What's with the either/or? I am a fan of both Star Trek AND Star Wars..

Guess that makes me sci-bi.

Celeste


I like them both too  But I gotta say those Klingon's are hawt..I'd love to tie one up and play with him.

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RE: Dom Psychology - 4/27/2006 4:51:17 AM   
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Excellent post !!

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RE: Dom Psychology - 4/27/2006 7:08:35 AM   
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yeh JoeT dont hide the rest!

great post!


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RE: Dom Psychology - 4/27/2006 9:34:00 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Phoenix92x

I thought Race Bannon was a Johnny Quest character from the cartoons of old...heh.
Guess I never heard of the author
*puts on flame retardant suit*



You are correct. And the famous author took his name from that cartoon, which is well-liked by kinky gay men.

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