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RE: Common-law Right to Travel - 1/19/2010 12:08:50 PM   
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FR

Doesnt anyone read any more?   Just pop on and whine liar liar pants on fire as if that counts for anything but a good laugh?

Again:
I said in an SEVERAL earlier posts that:
Driving, Vehicle, Passenger, Hire is ALL commercial.
Traveling, Automobile, Guest, No Hire, are ALL NONCommercial.

Translated and simplified:

These are regulated:
Driving is commercial hence regulated!
Vehicle is commercial hence regulated!
Passenger is commercial hence regulated!
For Hire is commercial hence regulated!

These are UNregulated:
Traveling, is NONcommercial hence UNregulated.
Guest, is NONcommercial hence UNregulated.
No Hire, is NONcommercial hence UNregulated.
Automobile, is NONcommercial hence UNregulated.

This means:
Use of the word Automobile is not the same as Vehicle. 
Use of the word Traveling is not the same as Driving. 
Use of the word Automobile is not the same as Vehicle. 
Use of the word No Hire is not the same as Hire.
Use of the word Guest is not the same as Passenger.

How can it be more clear?  I do not see where all the confusion is on this?


Actually the term is, as can be seen by actually reading the laws in question, is operating a motor vehicle. Your made up bullshit about traveling versus driving is irrelevant.

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RE: Common-law Right to Travel - 1/19/2010 12:15:14 PM   
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What if I want to send a drone over your house?

Do I need a license?

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RE: Common-law Right to Travel - 1/19/2010 1:07:24 PM   
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I am not a biblical scholar. I may be wrong, but I don't recall seeing  any of the Bill of Rights mentioned.


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Jeff, why do you hate America?



These were written by John, Luke, George and Ringo at the Constitutional Convention that banned the drinking of tea, recognized the Declaration of Independence as the foundation of individual sovereign law, and made taxes and the provision of health care unconstitutional.

Learn your history, heathen!

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RE: Common-law Right to Travel - 1/19/2010 1:10:55 PM   
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I don't hate America, it's Americans I hate.


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RE: Common-law Right to Travel - 1/19/2010 1:11:50 PM   
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[Hoped to finish my edit before your post. Foiled again!]



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RE: Common-law Right to Travel - 1/19/2010 1:16:39 PM   
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Who knows- maybe someday I will even get a license plate and a drivers license.  ..maybe.



You do realize that they just don't hand those licenses out all willy nilly.  You would "be forced" to  take a test.

Me thinks you best stick to a scooter and a tin foil cap.

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RE: Common-law Right to Travel - 1/19/2010 1:21:21 PM   
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*psst....domiguy----Democrats don't have to take the test, ya know----it's just the Conservatives.*

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RE: Common-law Right to Travel - 1/19/2010 1:23:04 PM   
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Only because we won't slam our car into an abortion clinic or a gay union ceremony.

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RE: Common-law Right to Travel - 1/19/2010 1:24:15 PM   
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Yes, true--that's why we get free insurance too.


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RE: Common-law Right to Travel - 1/19/2010 1:27:20 PM   
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"Your made up bullshit about traveling versus driving is irrelevant. "

I beg to differ. Words are VERY important, each and every one of them. And he did not make it up, I have been familiar with these concepts long before I was a CM member.

This does not make him right, and this does not result in an automatic win where the judge gives you a bunch of money for your trouble and sets you free. It is not that simple. You can't just do whatever you want, wave the Constitution in court and have them running with their tail between their legs, it simply does not work that way.

Ignorance or more politely, non awareness of something is not proof that it does not exist, or matter.

T

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RE: Common-law Right to Travel - 1/19/2010 1:29:26 PM   
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I wish I was a little more crazy.

Would I worry less or more?

discuss amongst yourselves. Get back to me upon reaching a reasonable conclusion.

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RE: Common-law Right to Travel - 1/19/2010 4:45:49 PM   
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"Your made up bullshit about traveling versus driving is irrelevant. "

I beg to differ. Words are VERY important, each and every one of them. And he did not make it up, I have been familiar with these concepts long before I was a CM member.

This does not make him right, and this does not result in an automatic win where the judge gives you a bunch of money for your trouble and sets you free. It is not that simple. You can't just do whatever you want, wave the Constitution in court and have them running with their tail between their legs, it simply does not work that way.

Ignorance or more politely, non awareness of something is not proof that it does not exist, or matter.

T

We've previously discussed your claims of superior knowledge which always fails to be produced. The statutes say 'operate a motor vehicle' not drive or travel. Claiming one is commercial and one isn't is irrelevant. If you wish to operate a motor vehicle as defined by statute on the public way then you have to be licensed and the vehicle must be registered and insured.

So where is your superior knowledge on thesubject? Facts only please not handwaves or bald assertions that you know facts you cannot produce.

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RE: Common-law Right to Travel - 1/19/2010 6:05:05 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

"Your made up bullshit about traveling versus driving is irrelevant. "

I beg to differ. Words are VERY important, each and every one of them. And he did not make it up, I have been familiar with these concepts long before I was a CM member.

This does not make him right, and this does not result in an automatic win where the judge gives you a bunch of money for your trouble and sets you free. It is not that simple. You can't just do whatever you want, wave the Constitution in court and have them running with their tail between their legs, it simply does not work that way.

Ignorance or more politely, non awareness of something is not proof that it does not exist, or matter.

T


sure you can


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RE: Common-law Right to Travel - 1/19/2010 6:31:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen
The statutes say 'operate a motor vehicle' not drive or travel. Claiming one is commercial and one isn't is irrelevant. If you wish to operate a motor vehicle as defined by statute on the public way then you have to be licensed and the vehicle must be registered and insured.

So where is your superior knowledge on thesubject? Facts only please not handwaves or bald assertions that you know facts you cannot produce.


really? 

Just like when someone is claiming YOU owe a for a bill and you claim its not your liability.

Completely irrelevant!

Can you hear me LMAO

(who are you trying to snag with your play on words or is this like a really personal argument with yourself?)


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RE: Common-law Right to Travel - 1/19/2010 6:37:55 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen


quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

FR

Doesnt anyone read any more?   Just pop on and whine liar liar pants on fire as if that counts for anything but a good laugh?

Again:
I said in an SEVERAL earlier posts that:
Driving, Vehicle, Passenger, Hire is ALL commercial.
Traveling, Automobile, Guest, No Hire, are ALL NONCommercial.

Translated and simplified:

These are regulated:
Driving is commercial hence regulated!
Vehicle is commercial hence regulated!
Passenger is commercial hence regulated!
For Hire is commercial hence regulated!

These are UNregulated:
Traveling, is NONcommercial hence UNregulated.
Guest, is NONcommercial hence UNregulated.
No Hire, is NONcommercial hence UNregulated.
Automobile, is NONcommercial hence UNregulated.

This means:
Use of the word Automobile is not the same as Vehicle. 
Use of the word Traveling is not the same as Driving. 
Use of the word Automobile is not the same as Vehicle. 
Use of the word No Hire is not the same as Hire.
Use of the word Guest is not the same as Passenger.

How can it be more clear?  I do not see where all the confusion is on this?


Actually the term is, as can be seen by actually reading the laws in question, is operating a motor vehicle. Your made up bullshit about traveling versus driving is irrelevant.


read it 10 times very slowly  -> OP - RE: Common-law Right to Travel


There plenty of citations posted that demonstrate once again the courts do not agree with you.



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RE: Common-law Right to Travel - 1/19/2010 6:41:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: domiguy

quote:

ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

Who knows- maybe someday I will even get a license plate and a drivers license.  ..maybe.



You do realize that they just don't hand those licenses out all willy nilly.  You would "be forced" to  take a test.

Me thinks you best stick to a scooter and a tin foil cap.


The car tho still works with out it as does the road.  hehe

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RE: Common-law Right to Travel - 1/19/2010 6:44:48 PM   
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Yeah, the Magna Carta defense hasnt been used since the Magna Carta.

Not something you want to bring up in US courts either, that will get you sent on the short bus to the padded room law offices.

Ron


wanna put everything you own and ever will own on it?

Hell I will go get a traffic ticket just to take all yer money hunny!




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RE: Common-law Right to Travel - 1/19/2010 6:52:44 PM   
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Happy to DK, but I need a bit of advice on just how to do that as it is easier said than done. Most of the most important material I have is in four file cabinets, or they are the destination. I just moved. After finding everything I will scan it, and leave it in JPG format to ensure some degree of authenticity. I might have to dig up a floppy disk reader as well because that's where my UCC files are. At that point then I can send attachments via email. This includes statutes, trial transcripts and other things that are just about impossible to find on the net. So what am I to do ? Ignore the people I personally know who have won this game as if they never existed ?

And this is not superior knowledge, every US Citizen should be familiar with this type of material. People have no idea how they get bamboozled all the time, and have some stupid notion that a good lawyer will save them. A lawyer will not embarrass the court, but I will. One of the sharpest tools in the box is contradictions in law or procedure. Gently as a sheep you ask the court which is right, this or that ? Anything written must be filed with the clerk of courts to hinder it's exclusion. The supreme court decision quoted earlier is a perfect axample. You can hand it up to the judge and he can wipe his ass with it, but once a matter of public record it stands, and there is proof that the court was provided with the evidence in law.

In other words, I can indeed prove it, but how much time do you have, and indeed how much time do I have ? It took well over ten years to amass all this, even if I dedicated a whole day and presented all of it you would take some time to assimilate it.

For example, in 2004 I made the mistake of driving through DUI city, otherwise known as Linndale. They'll give you a DUI even if you had one light beer. Once the accusation is made, your ride is over. Then they get you in the room. If you refuse the breathalyzer you sign a paper to that effect. Well since they wanted my signature, I took their pen and scratched out certain words. I read it carefully and got rid of anything that was self implicating. Certain WORDS.

My lawyer smiled when he saw it. He came out of the prosecutor's office with the sweetest deal I'd ever seen. They simply could not make it stick. When he showed me the deal, I said "That's all they want ? ". So sometimes it is not a complete and decisive win. But how in the hell could I prove that ? When the case was closed who knows where all these documents go ? If they are a matter of public record I would like to know where to find certified copies. Bout the only way to prove it I can see.

I am receptive to any advice on what could constitute proof. I think it's a problem when the majority of people who walk into a courtroom automatically think they already lost, and are just there to negotiate how bad they lost. I really want to know what would constitute satisfactory proof because then I would shout it from every mountaintop. I would be ten times worse than Hunky.

I would send you all of it, but I might need it someday. Nobody can remember all of this. In a matter of seconds I can tell you how to play chess, but I can't give you strategy in such a short time. In this case, the game remains the same, but the documents change. There is a case cite in this thread, valid as it may be, it would be useless if one is into it with the zoning commission or the IRS. Don't even get me started on them.

A recent Ohio supreme court decision did shoot most of this right to travel thing down. But that will vary from state to state. They actually changed the game, tilting the playing field in their advantage.

Let's take that one. They ruled that driving on the public roads, no matter what you call it is a priveledge. Why did they have to do that ? Obviously someone had a pretty damn good case I would think. The Ohio supreme court involved in a traffic case ? There must be good reason no ?

So now most of us just knuckle down, get plates and shut up. The fight is not worth it at this time. Repression, it sure is. For the the greater good, public safety and all that ? Ostensibly. A big money game ? Definitely.

So I could make copies and you could go get a BIG P.O. box. Or I could scan and send everything in email, which would save me a ton of paper. It'll probably take 200-300 MB of harddrive space. Which do you prefer ?

T

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RE: Common-law Right to Travel - 1/19/2010 6:56:51 PM   
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If that isn't enough, make seatbelts and airbags illegal. Put sharp pointy things on the dash, so if you hit something it hurts.
T

So, I should've died because of the idiot kid that turned across my lanes, and I t-boned him?

Thanks for the thought.  No, there wasn't enough room to stop, and changing lanes wouldn't have helped.

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RE: Common-law Right to Travel - 1/19/2010 6:59:15 PM   
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Driving, Vehicle, Passenger, Hire is ALL commercial.
Traveling, Automobile, Guest, No Hire, are ALL NONCommercial.


Not in New York.  I had to get commercial plates simply because I had a shell on the back of my truck.  No matter how I swore up and down that it was just my own transportation.

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