Termyn8or
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Ken, I don't know how to exactly put this, but here goes. I respect you, I believe you to be intelligent. Whe I was first introduced to all this I was just as skeptical. In fact I'll go so far as to admit that I respect you more for not beliving me/us. I was the same way.
But I realize that it is going to be quite difficult to prove anything to YOUR SATISFACTION. As said I was the same way. I didn't belive all this at first, and OK, I can probably get some case numbers, but een that won't prove it. Our side won a hundred times, but really out of how many cases ? Even solid evidence is not enough, I agree. Remember the Twinkie defense. That doesn't mean we can all be mass murderers and blame the Convenient Food Mart for over serving us. I mean in some cases no proof is ever enough. I had to witness it with my own eyes. To see certain people walk out of court, not in handcuffs, to their or my my car after court is what did it. How can I prove I was on Ontario St when this happened ?
In life we build what I would term a knowledge lattice. Conceptually this is like a pyramid of knowledge. When we argue about certain things, in a way we are attacking the pyramid at the base, and defenses are drawn quickly, no matter how the case is presented. Those of lower intelligence are swayed easily, actually too easily. They will jump into it not knowing what they are doing and hurt themselves. You are smarter than that, at least as far as I can detect.
However one day someone might convince you, and on that day you will become quite poweful. Everyone I know personally who engages in fighting courts and law was very skeptical at first. They were scared. And rightly so, because the judge can pretty much cut off your legs right at the bench. My Daddy told me that, and despite what I know, it is still true. However if it is done unjustly, I know how to find recourse, most people don't.
We are repressed by the government, mstly in the name of the almighty dollar, and I don't think you have much argument against that. I don't think anyone does. But people find a way. There are ways to buck the system, fuck the system and suck the system. To some it is a game, and buddy, not all of them lose.
So at this point I will disengage you on this proof fulcrum, because in reality, no proof online will ever be enough. I understand and I am just as stubborn as you. And it will remain so as long as you seek what you currently find. When you seek something else, then you will find something else. The idea of law and order is so cemented in your mind that even if I led you to water you might not drink it. It would not disolve the cement anyway.
If my words do not stand on their own, what does ? Links to findlaw and shit like that ? For example, I have electronic copies of the original incorporation papers of the IRS in Delaware. Tax court ? Simple, I am not beholden nor do I have any cantract with any corporation in Delaware, case closed. You think this won't work fine. You think they will tell you about the 100,000 people who beat the fucking pants off the IRS every year ? Hell no. But they all have one thing in common. They do not file. When you file you PUT yourself under their jurisdiction. How fucking hard can that be to understand ?
When you get a driver's license you PUT yourself under their jurisdiction. I know that is harder to comprehend for some. You may have lived a life of law and order, but that is not true of everyone. Working the system and jerking the system is old hat to me, and even so I was still skeptical about all this rights shit and things like that.
Don't get me wrong, ANYONE. I am not a tower of virtue, standing alone for one and all, a hero of Constitutional rights. Not at all. What I am saying is that I will use every trick in the book to win. They do, if I don't I lose, and it happens. But I'll tell you this much, I don't care what they say I have to do. Their constrictions on my freedom mean nothing, but I don't really flaunt it. That would be stupid.
How many people I know who won't smoke cigarettes in their house but when out in the garage for a smoke will draw some lines of crank, or fire up the widowmaker. How many people I knew who worked for the railroad who "found" things, especially if they worked in security. How many politicians are caught on video taking bribes, literally shot with too much money to stuff into their pockets and said "What did I do wrong ?". That video would not exist if they were not a target.
Let me make this clear, you have several inalienable rights in this country, but being stupid is not enumerated among them. I have a loaded gun and the trigger works at any time of the day or night. It is Sunday afternoon. I could go pick off a couple of the neighbors, or maybe white kitty. White kitty can be a pest but he is pretty cool. I wouldn't shoot him. Oh well.
There are times when I would go to court, asserting my rights, fighting them effectively and embarrasing them into deciding in my favor, or dropping the case. Other times I've had to walk inot a lawyer of a certain ethnicity's office and say "I did this and that and they wrote me for this". I hand them the tickets, summons or whatever. I don't want to hear "Well I can can this or that", you know I did it, it's your job to get me off. I don't care what it takes.
So when I get to it and find proof I will provide it. But I can't just argue this all day long. I have no intention of recusing myself from the major points, or even this thread, but I know it is not going to be easy to convince you. Fine. I have no bones about that and I am the same way. And really I don't claim to have more knowledge than anyone, just DIFFERENT knowledge.
I just thought this would be a good time to explain myself, that we stay the course of the thread rather than argue about credibility. That is actually a subject for a whole different thread, and could be interesting. People have read parts of the health car bill and construed it to mean that there will be death panels and such. People read the patriot act and construed it to mean that we are under martial law. Neither is true, nor is either completely false really.
Proof will be forthcoming as it comes. I just moved and it took me over six months to find the breadmaking machine. Now how long do you think it is going to take me to find one cetain piece of paper ? Even then all I can do is scan it. I have electronic copies of the incorproration paper for the IRS from Deaware, I have held them in my hand and felt the notary stamp on them. I can't prove that, how the fuck could I ever ? But I know you can request them so you can see and feel it, anybody can. There is a copying fee but it is nominal.
And anyone can edit a webpage. The quote in this thread to which I referred, how do I know that was the exact wording ? It could have been edited. The only way to be sure is to get a locked PDF file straight from the government, it cannot be changed. Any website, any file is suspect unless it is not editable. So I am even more skeptical than you maybe.
But I respect your position, as indeed at one time, I occupied that position. It took alot to make a believer out of me, but here I am.
T
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