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ORIGINAL: Sanity
Instead of sinking down into your empty and lowly personal attacks vincent, why don't you address what I wrote.
Do you deny defending Hugo Chavez, or that Chavez's obvious goal is to become dictator? Or do you deny advocating that larger states be given the power to ride roughshod over smaller states?
Or is the reason you're suddenly become so angry and so ugly here is that its impossible for you to deny any of it, and so you resort to these despicable tactics.
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ORIGINAL: vincentML
Think what you will, Sanity. No problem to me the muck in your mind. I recognize the feeble debate trick to make accusations of intent or poor character against an opponent rather than counter points on the issue. Laughable if that is the best you can do.
Angry, ugly, despicable?? No, no, amused by your tactics and now your injured feelings. I shall try not to ruffle your sensitivity with this post. 
Very well, I will go along with the off topic diversion for a moment or two.
As to Chavez, I do not recall ever defending him or applauding his becoming a dictator. I may have made some comment that he was distributing healthcare and other benefits to the poor who had long been neglected. The thrust of my comments in your thread and the thrust of my beliefs are that the dark-skinned indigenous people of Latin America have been exploited for five hundred years by the white Hispanics and thereafter by Yankee Corporate/Govt Imperialism. It is the indigenous people who have my sympathy. They elected Chavez. It is not our business to interfere once again as we so often have done in the past.
We supported dictatorships in Haiti, Guatemala, Panama, Cuba and Chile to name but a few. We fomented revolution against the elected governments in Guatemala in the 1950s and assassinated Allende, the elected leader of Chile during the Nixon administration, and supported the Military Junta. We invaded Nicaragua seven times before WW2. We occupied Haiti from about 1925 to 1937 (? exact dates)
We have done everything imaginable in alliance with the white Hispanic elites to help our corporations exploit the natural resources of Latin America and nothing to help the indigenous, dark-skinned people. I can only imagine there are more American Imperialist maggots to be found under the rocks if we turn them over in Bolivia and Peru. I do not know the history in those countries.
My point is when the Conquistadors conquered Latin America the indigenous people did not all die out. The Inca, the Mayans, whatever. They are still there conquered, illiterate, and impoverished. Yankee Imperialism and the Monroe Doctrine are hated in Latin America.
So, now you have a beef with Chavez who was elected and is supported by the impoverished if Venezuela. The CIA apparently attempted a coup that failed. WTF? What is it to us who wins the popular election in any Latin American country. Bottom line, I express sympathies for the indigenous Latinos and you draw from it that I support dictatorship as a desired form of government. You are fucking nuts if you turn my empathy for the impoverished and my contempt for Amerian Imperialism into allegations that I harbor support for dictatorship as a desired form of government, when it is the American Govt that has supported dictorships and oppression of the poor around the world.
As to the second charge that I advocate larger states here in the US running roughshod over the smaller ones, you invent that from my observation that the Senate is structurally dysfunctional because of the desparity in representation between California and Wyoming where there is a 96 to one population difference. And I also mentioned that the gang of six in the Senate Finance Committee who engineered the mark-up of the Senate healthcare bill only represented 2% of the nation's population. I did not advocate a change because I fear the outcome of a Constitutional Convention. The disparity in representation along with the use of the fillibuster rule permits tyranny by a small portion of the nation's population. The filibuster rule can be discarded by the Rules Committee. I simply made some observations on what I consider the problem of the Senate. You drew the conclusions and built your straw men.
These are my positions. You created false allegations without substanitive support. It is a crappy and transparent game you play, Sanity. I have nothing more I wish to say to refute your ridiculous bullshit.
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Health care is not a right,is not in the constitution,as simple as that,if you dont like it go the hell out of the USA. I had plenty of experience for 27 years with socialized,communist/goverment option plan in Europe,do not continue to destroy this great country,is already kneeling,JANKO
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