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E Pluribus Unum - 1/23/2010 9:42:54 AM

LadyEllen

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What do you get when you combine
1) a system of government operated by and for business and industrial corporations, ,
2) the celebration and promotion of the interests of the elite, as the source of all well being for the people
3) the preaching of opposition to international cooperation, except where this is superseded by a commitment to imperial expansionism by military and economic means
4) the instilling, by way of appealing to radical nationalist fervour, a notion that all of this is for the benefit and protection of the entire populace, who are otherwise vulnerable to the march of socialist and liberal ideas that would undermine the homeland and its people
5) the portrayal of all opposition, by way of manipulative propaganda, outright lies, and emotional framing, as a threat to the homeland and its people

any ideas?

E

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RE: E Pluribus Unum - 1/23/2010 9:47:27 AM

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...easy. That is a one world government. A New World Order.

It is centralized power- which is a threat to your private property.

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RE: E Pluribus Unum - 1/23/2010 9:47:43 AM

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Yes.

The Family

Book Description
"A journalist's penetrating look at the untold story of christian fundamentalism's most elite organization, a self-described invisible network dedicated to a religion of power for the powerful

"They are the Family—fundamentalism's avant-garde, waging spiritual war in the halls of American power and around the globe. They consider themselves the new chosen—congressmen, generals, and foreign dictators who meet in confidential cells, to pray and plan for a "leadership led by God," to be won not by force but through "quiet diplomacy." Their base is a leafy estate overlooking the Potomac in Arlington, Virginia, and Jeff Sharlet is the only journalist to have reported from inside its walls.

"The Family is about the other half of American fundamentalist power—not its angry masses, but its sophisticated elites. Sharlet follows the story back to Abraham Vereide, an immigrant preacher who in 1935 organized a small group of businessmen sympathetic to European fascism, fusing the far right with his own polite but authoritarian faith. From that core, Vereide built an international network of fundamentalists who spoke the language of establishment power, a "family" that thrives to this day. In public, they host Prayer Breakfasts; in private, they preach a gospel of "biblical capitalism," military might, and American empire. Citing Hitler, Lenin, and Mao as leadership models, the Family's current leader, Doug Coe, declares, "We work with power where we can, build new power where we can't."

"Sharlet's discoveries dramatically challenge conventional wisdom about American fundamentalism, revealing its crucial role in the unraveling of the New Deal, the waging of the cold war, and the no-holds-barred economics of globalization. The question Sharlet believes we must ask is not "What do fundamentalists want?" but "What have they already done?"

"Part history, part investigative journalism, The Family is a compelling account of how fundamentalism came to be interwoven with American power, a story that stretches from the religious revivals that have shaken this nation from its beginning to fundamentalism's new frontiers. No other book about the right has exposed the Family or revealed its far-reaching impact on democracy, and no future reckoning of American fundamentalism will be able to ignore it."

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RE: E Pluribus Unum - 1/23/2010 10:05:38 AM

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

What do you get when you combine
1) a system of government operated by and for business and industrial corporations, ,
2) the celebration and promotion of the interests of the elite, as the source of all well being for the people
3) the preaching of opposition to international cooperation, except where this is superseded by a commitment to imperial expansionism by military and economic means
4) the instilling, by way of appealing to radical nationalist fervour, a notion that all of this is for the benefit and protection of the entire populace, who are otherwise vulnerable to the march of socialist and liberal ideas that would undermine the homeland and its people
5) the portrayal of all opposition, by way of manipulative propaganda, outright lies, and emotional framing, as a threat to the homeland and its people

any ideas?

E

Barak Obama? No, the company store?

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RE: E Pluribus Unum - 1/23/2010 10:08:58 AM

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This has got to be a trick question because the answer seems so obvious.

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RE: E Pluribus Unum - 1/23/2010 10:57:28 AM

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"Just say what you see Slv4"

I contend that this is the position the US finds itself dangerously near now, as the inheritance of GWB and the result of the SCOTUS decision on corporate participation in the political process, next to the failure by Obama to bring actual change in the face of a Congress hellbent on personal self interest and the ongoing and in some instances rabid campaigning by the radical element that maintains itself within the GOP and its affiliated mouthpieces.

This position is one which compares well with Fascism. The only element missing is overt authoritarianism, however this is present covertly in the form of peer pressure in the lower orders by way of 4 and 5, and should readily become overt as the economic situation deteriorates into stagnation as it must given the influence of the global market and 1, 2 and 3, especially if combined with the "terrorist threat".

Perhaps I read too much into it. I certainly hope so.

E

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RE: E Pluribus Unum - 1/23/2010 11:41:30 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

"Just say what you see Slv4"

I contend that this is the position the US finds itself dangerously near now, as the inheritance of GWB and the result of the SCOTUS decision on corporate participation in the political process, next to the failure by Obama to bring actual change in the face of a Congress hellbent on personal self interest and the ongoing and in some instances rabid campaigning by the radical element that maintains itself within the GOP and its affiliated mouthpieces.

This position is one which compares well with Fascism. The only element missing is overt authoritarianism, however this is present covertly in the form of peer pressure in the lower orders by way of 4 and 5, and should readily become overt as the economic situation deteriorates into stagnation as it must given the influence of the global market and 1, 2 and 3, especially if combined with the "terrorist threat".

Perhaps I read too much into it. I certainly hope so.

E

No. You are correct. Arlen Spector says we have to amend the constitution over this one.

I remind you that Goldman Saches contributed alot of money to the Obama campaign. Now- they can pretty much buy one. The implications of this are onerous- when you factor now that state and local election are now subject to the same rules. and pay to play as it were.

This court ruling changes 100 years of law.

if you did not see my center of gravity youtube pick- then please look at it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4bnThTe-xU

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RE: E Pluribus Unum - 1/23/2010 12:45:40 PM

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except for the reality that Hitler dominated the Corparations, and brought them to heel, serving the interest of the State, which was based on a 3rd way between the Capitalists and the Socialists.

Hitler didn't beg for donations, he had the directors removed or sent to the camps if they did not do what he wanted. While providing Jobs and health care for all.

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RE: E Pluribus Unum - 1/23/2010 2:02:33 PM

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Oh trying to redefine the far right as the far left?

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RE: E Pluribus Unum - 1/23/2010 2:32:26 PM

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Quite what this has to do with Hitler I'm not sure.

This is a new model of Fascism, of which there are many varieties - and this is a special American model, adapted for the particular local conditions, as all other varieties are.

E

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RE: E Pluribus Unum - 1/23/2010 2:44:45 PM

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Yes.

The Family

Book Description
"A journalist's penetrating look at the untold story of christian fundamentalism's most elite organization, a self-described invisible network dedicated to a religion of power for the powerful

"They are the Family—fundamentalism's avant-garde, waging spiritual war in the halls of American power and around the globe. They consider themselves the new chosen—congressmen, generals, and foreign dictators who meet in confidential cells, to pray and plan for a "leadership led by God," to be won not by force but through "quiet diplomacy." Their base is a leafy estate overlooking the Potomac in Arlington, Virginia, and Jeff Sharlet is the only journalist to have reported from inside its walls.

"The Family is about the other half of American fundamentalist power—not its angry masses, but its sophisticated elites.

Yes, I've posted links on this before. Here is one that was in the news after the Ensign and Sanford scandals:

C-Street House and "The Family"

Most recently covered by MSNBC's Rachel Maddow (1, 2), Washington D.C.'s "C Street House" has over the past two weeks become the center of a media firestorm. Along with GOP Senator Tom Coburn, sex-scandal embroiled GOP leaders Senator John Ensign and South Carolina Governor Mark Sanford have been tied to the row house, assessed to be worth 1.84 million dollars, which is registered as a church and provides Washington politicians with substantially lower than market rate rent. Coburn and Ensign have lived at the C Street house, while Sanford has participated in its Bible study group.

According to the Washington Post the house is owned by Youth With a Mission D.C. Youth With a Mission is one of the most extensive Christian fundamentalist para-church organizations on Earth, and YWAM founder leader Loren Cunningham has publicly outlined a vision for Christian world-control.

In a 2008 promotional video, "Reclaiming Mountains of Culture", Loren Cunningham describes a vision he shared along with the late Campus Crusade For Christ founder Bill Bright and late Christian theologian Francis Schaeffer, in which Christian fundamentalists could achieve world domination by taking over key sectors of society such as business, government, media, and education.

Francis Schaeffer is widely credited as one of the most influential theologians of the 20th Century Christian right. Among the myriad ministries of Bill Bright's behemoth Campus Crusade For Christ is the Washington D.C. ministry Christian Embassy that targets Pentagon leaders for evangelizing.

The C Street House is run by a secretive Washington ministry known as The Family, or The Fellowship. Over the past year and a half, The Family has gradually come to public attention, mainly due to journalist and Harpers editor Jeff Sharlet's ground breaking book The Family: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power. The Family runs the yearly National Prayer Breakfast and maintains a network of Capital Hill prayer groups which have enjoyed the participation of both top GOP but also top Democratic Party Congress and Senate members.

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RE: E Pluribus Unum - 1/23/2010 2:46:04 PM

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One of many...sounds good and is good most of the time. Are we talking the US here or Democracy's in general?

If the US your basic premise is bullshit…the musings of someone with an inferiority complex or a mind corrupted by propaganda.

If the US we are continually remaking ourselves…it is great to live in a country that is always changing instead of static old world notions. If we believe big business needs reining in we do it…If we think we need more business we make laws to make it easy for business to expand.

We are only doing what you demand of us…. Lead…something Europe has failed to do many times. We have expended thousands of our lives to straighten out your squabbles in two world wars...and still you bitch. We loan you millions of dollars and you refuse to pay them back…but still you bitch. We secretly back you up in the Falklands and still you bitch…Damn it gets old.

If we don’t lead…. we are accused of shirking our duty as a world power

If we do we are imperialist out for expansion. by the way...where have we expanded in the last few years.

Damn make up your mind or lead yourself and quit asking us to do it for you.

We are at lest for now the greatest…most powerful nation in the history of the world…and we did it all with personal freedom…Name one country in Europe that did that…or the world for that matter.

Our time is coming, like all nations of the past, when other nations will overtake our power and become the new leaders…I just hope they do as good a job at promoting freedom in the world as we did…warts and all.

If not the US sorry for the rant.

Butch

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RE: E Pluribus Unum - 1/23/2010 3:01:51 PM

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Crikey Butch, no one is getting at the poor ole USA OK? I am positing an argument that the USA is creeping ever closer to becoming a fascist state - which you may or may not disagree on - and as a friend I'm telling you what I see, not only out of concern for you lot of course but also because if the US falls to such hands it shouldnt be long before the UK follows suit.

E

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RE: E Pluribus Unum - 1/23/2010 3:34:27 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: kdsub

One of many...sounds good and is good most of the time. Are we talking the US here or Democracy's in general?

If the US your basic premise is bullshit…the musings of someone with an inferiority complex or a mind corrupted by propaganda.

If the US we are continually remaking ourselves…it is great to live in a country that is always changing instead of static old world notions. If we believe big business needs reining in we do it…If we think we need more business we make laws to make it easy for business to expand.

We are only doing what you demand of us…. Lead…something Europe has failed to do many times. We have expended thousands of our lives to straighten out your squabbles in two world wars...and still you bitch. We loan you millions of dollars and you refuse to pay them back…but still you bitch. We secretly back you up in the Falklands and still you bitch…Damn it gets old.

If we don’t lead…. we are accused of shirking our duty as a world power

If we do we are imperialist out for expansion. by the way...where have we expanded in the last few years.

Damn make up your mind or lead yourself and quit asking us to do it for you.

We are at lest for now the greatest…most powerful nation in the history of the world…and we did it all with personal freedom…Name one country in Europe that did that…or the world for that matter.

Our time is coming, like all nations of the past, when other nations will overtake our power and become the new leaders…I just hope they do as good a job at promoting freedom in the world as we did…warts and all.

If not the US sorry for the rant.

Butch

Yeh you can tell because we amend the constitution once a week!

LOL

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RE: E Pluribus Unum - 1/23/2010 3:35:58 PM

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

Crikey Butch, no one is getting at the poor ole USA OK? I am positing an argument that the USA is creeping ever closer to becoming a fascist state - which you may or may not disagree on - and as a friend I'm telling you what I see, not only out of concern for you lot of course but also because if the US falls to such hands it shouldnt be long before the UK follows suit.

E

nope I just posted a thread on it myself. Its not getting there it IS there.

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RE: E Pluribus Unum - 1/23/2010 3:39:45 PM

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Not as long as enough people realise it RealOne, and are prepared to do something about it.

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RE: E Pluribus Unum - 1/23/2010 3:41:45 PM

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The second is the sticking point, sadly.

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RE: E Pluribus Unum - 1/23/2010 3:43:13 PM

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

Not as long as enough people realise it RealOne, and are prepared to do something about it.

E

I brought the other thread up so you can look at it...

I posted definitions that we have been demoted to abstract constructions in legalese and how they can effectively vote twice etc etc pick our candidates for us is voting.

people in the corporations vote twice.

they need to go down for treason.

impeachment.

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RE: E Pluribus Unum - 1/23/2010 3:43:55 PM

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Not at all MH - if enough people realise whats going on and see it for what it is or could easily become, then change shall come as Butch (I think) was saying.

The problem is that the shouting match is now greatly in favour of those who can shout longest and loudest, appealing to emotional arguments and manipulating those unable to comprehend the situation.

E

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RE: E Pluribus Unum - 1/23/2010 3:45:39 PM

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Oh trying to redefine the far right as the far left?

They are the same thing....go far enough in either direction and you end up in the same place.

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