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ORIGINAL: kdsub
It sounds arrogant but if you think a little more it is not.

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If Iran, Syria, Pakistan, perhaps Korea knew that they would be held truly accountable by a power that could do it…there would never have been this terrorist war in the first place.

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They have no industry…they have very little ability to maintain a war on their own. They need the support of the Iran’s in this world to fight at all.

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

the only thing I know about European royalty and banking is that many of the descendants of the Hapsburgs and von Hohenzollerns are merchant bankers these days

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ORIGINAL: AnimusRex

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ORIGINAL: kdsub
It sounds arrogant but if you think a little more it is not.

[puts on ma thinkin' cap and thinks REAL hard...]

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If Iran, Syria, Pakistan, perhaps Korea knew that they would be held truly accountable by a power that could do it…there would never have been this terrorist war in the first place.

OK, so after 9-11 we should have threatened to invade, conquer, and occupy Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Syria, Pakistan, and for good measure, Korea.

Whew!
A big project. I mean, war of that maginitude would have equalled WWII.
in WWII we fielded an army of 103 Divisions, over a10 million men in uniform. (Today we have 10 Divisions, and about 650,000 soldiers).
FDR essentially socialized the entire US industrial base, issuing dictates to the automakers, aricraft industry, etc as to what they could make or not. He had to ration flour, sugar, rubber, and most other consumer items.
Oh, and the federal debt spiraled to 120% of the GDP. (Todays monstrous debt is a little over half that).
But hey, we gotta do what we gotta do. And if it takes instituting socialism to win a war, who am I to argue?

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They have no industry…they have very little ability to maintain a war on their own. They need the support of the Iran’s in this world to fight at all.

Right. The 9-11 plotters used the help of Iran to buy exotic military hardware like boxcutters, take airplane training sessions in Florida, and oh yeah, they had duct tape smuggled in from Syria. I think Pakistan gave them the tip money for the strippers in New Jersey, but I have to check on that.
But your point is valid- terrorism cannot survive without expensive and large scale military supplies- its not like you can blow up a Federal Building with only, like, a truck filled with fuel oil and fertilizer.

Thinking a bit is very helpful indeed.

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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

So, when everyone let alone the viewers of this forum understand we are all going to shit, the USA first, my question is, what are you all going to do about it ? Lobby your MP or just go about your business and keep your head down hoping no one notices........? To remember something, them in power control them with guns and special powers do what is necessary.

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Maybe this debt by the UK would make up for what we owed the King.

And while the UK dutifully pays off its World War II debts, those from World War I remain resolutely unpaid. And are by no means trifling. In 1934, Britain owed the US $4.4bn of World War I debt (about £866m at 1934 exchange rates). Adjusted by the Retail Price Index, a typical measure of inflation, £866m would equate to £40bn now, and if adjusted by the growth of GDP, to about £225bn.

Butch

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

I give out far to much information to chase after every tid bit of what I say but I do go this far.  If I run across it in the future I will post it.

I gave you and others the information needed for those who wish to research the subject matter and if you wish to claim that because I do not bend to posting digital trash that in reality is hearsay anyway as proof well we can all have a good laugh :)

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Neither of the above debts have been cancelled, so as soon as we get paid, we can pay you....

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RE: E Pluribus Unum - 1/24/2010 3:45:20 AM

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I give out far to much information to chase after every tid bit of what I say but I do go this far.  If I run across it in the future I will post it.

I gave you and others the information needed for those who wish to research the subject matter and if you wish to claim that because I do not bend to posting digital trash that in reality is hearsay anyway as proof well we can all have a good laugh :)

Anyone can make an absurd claim with no supporting link. You posted something as FACT and are unable to back it up. Thats bogus debating in my book, even if history shows us it is your Modus Operandi.

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

"Just say what you see Slv4"

I contend that this is the position the US finds itself dangerously near now, as the inheritance of GWB and the result of the SCOTUS decision on corporate participation in the political process, next to the failure by Obama to bring actual change in the face of a Congress hellbent on personal self interest and the ongoing and in some instances rabid campaigning by the radical element that maintains itself within the GOP and its affiliated mouthpieces.

This position is one which compares well with Fascism. The only element missing is overt authoritarianism, however this is present covertly in the form of peer pressure in the lower orders by way of 4 and 5, and should readily become overt as the economic situation deteriorates into stagnation as it must given the influence of the global market and 1, 2 and 3, especially if combined with the "terrorist threat".

Perhaps I read too much into it. I certainly hope so.

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ORIGINAL: RealOne

I told you the name of the book and where to get it and if that is not good enough for you, that you would rather mischaractize the matter then I guess you get the big fuck you eh....