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RE: Anti-Gun Senator Shoots Intruder - 1/24/2010 12:31:55 PM   
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The idea behind the photo is to commit an of delation against one's neighbours by advertising that they're more vulnerable to an armed burglar than you are, to save your own skin, and to fuck them up at the same time. It's cowardly and criminal.

If you don't see how or why that's a revolting idea, there's nothing else to discuss, really.

Thankfully, the picture belongs to the realm of fantasy (I'm hoping).

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RE: Anti-Gun Senator Shoots Intruder - 1/24/2010 12:34:06 PM   
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Hey folks, the NRA gave him an A rating in 2008.

As a matter of fact, he's had graded of B through A since 2002.

Project Votesmart has his votes on a variety of issues, and I didn't see anything gun related on the list. http://www.votesmart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=5930

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RE: Anti-Gun Senator Shoots Intruder - 1/24/2010 12:44:32 PM   
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...and nowhere in his links do I find reference to the state senator being an anti-gun advocate. 


Good work, rule.  It made me wonder if someone was making something up, so I checked: No news media stories that make reference to Soles being anti-gun, only right wing interest group sites.  In fact:

2008  Based on lifetime voting records on gun issues and the results of a questionnaire sent to all candidates, the National Rifle Association Political Victory Fund assigned Senator Soles a grade of A
2006  the National Rifle Association Political Victory Fund assigned Senator Soles a grade of A 
2004  National Rifle Association Political Victory Fund gave Senator Soles a rating of A.
2002 National Rifle Association Political Victory Fund gave Senator Soles a rating of B+.
2000 National Rifle Association Political Victory Fund gave Senator Soles a rating of B+.
1998 National Rifle Association Institute for Legislative Action gave Senator Soles a rating of B.


Hmm. Some folks should do their homework.

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RE: Anti-Gun Senator Shoots Intruder - 1/24/2010 12:44:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: thornhappy

Hey folks, the NRA gave him an A rating in 2008.

As a matter of fact, he's had graded of B through A since 2002.

Project Votesmart has his votes on a variety of issues, and I didn't see anything gun related on the list. http://www.votesmart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=5930




Interesting.  Did he pick up the reputation years ago, or was it just assigned to him, the way "family values" positions get assigned to the other side?

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RE: Anti-Gun Senator Shoots Intruder - 1/24/2010 12:46:45 PM   
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You're obviously much more concise than I am. *g*

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RE: Anti-Gun Senator Shoots Intruder - 1/24/2010 12:49:18 PM   
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The idea behind the photo is to commit an of delation against one's neighbours by advertising that they're more vulnerable to an armed burglar than you are, to save your own skin, and to fuck them up at the same time. It's cowardly and criminal.

If you don't see how or why that's a revolting idea, there's nothing else to discuss, really.

Thankfully, the picture belongs to the realm of fantasy (I'm hoping).


Oh, c'mon! It's a joke and it's fucking funny! It's way better than than the 'ol "The dog is the least of your worries," sign. If anybody did post such a sign out front I'm sure it wouldn't last long (legally speaking or pissed off neighbor speaking).

Now that I think about it, you could come up with a whole bunch of silly signs advertising why criminals should skip your house in favor of your neighbors:

"Their alarm company sign is fake, our is real."

"Pst.. they keep a spare key under the rock next to the potted plant."

"His daughters are way prettier than mine."






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RE: Anti-Gun Senator Shoots Intruder - 1/24/2010 1:02:52 PM   
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I'm not coming up with his older voting records, I'm afraid, but he has quite the history for someone who has kept getting re-elected for 40 years, starting with a 115 mph car chase back in 1971... 

http://www.starnewsonline.com/article/20100109/articles/100109719?p=1&tc=pg

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RE: Anti-Gun Senator Shoots Intruder - 1/24/2010 2:51:27 PM   
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Yep.  A real character.  But notice no gun controversies.

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RE: Anti-Gun Senator Shoots Intruder - 1/24/2010 3:01:02 PM   
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oh noes, more lies, wot shalls we do about it? 
So a car chase 30 years ago makes him anti gun nut??
hypocrisy thy name is irony
or is that irony thy name is hypocrisy
sod it I don't give a toss,
just more lies with no apologies
just pathetic excuses





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RE: Anti-Gun Senator Shoots Intruder - 1/24/2010 3:05:00 PM   
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Nothing that shows up easy, Thorns.  Perhaps it was that he used to get B's from the NRA?  Perhaps someone really interested will go find gun restrictions passed in his state over the last forty years, then figure out where he voted during the passage through the legislature.  That interested person might also want to dig into all the campaigns he's run, and see if any of the losers tagged him as such along the trail.

That won't be me though. 

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RE: Anti-Gun Senator Shoots Intruder - 1/24/2010 3:19:36 PM   
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just more lies with no apologies
just pathetic excuses


No, no, Lucy, I feel certain cuckoldmepls will do the honourable thing and acknowledge his mistake, not only in misrepresenting the state senator, but also, of course, in his subsequent series of statements using the case to justify his generalizations.

Just as a matter of honour.

Surely you don't think they'll try to just tiptoe out of the thread like....that other guy?

Naaaah.  *g*

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RE: Anti-Gun Senator Shoots Intruder - 1/24/2010 3:21:44 PM   
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More chance of the pope becoming a muslim my dear chap.

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RE: Anti-Gun Senator Shoots Intruder - 1/24/2010 3:52:01 PM   
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Oh, c'mon! It's a joke and it's fucking funny! It's way better than than the 'ol "The dog is the least of your worries," sign. If anybody did post such a sign out front I'm sure it wouldn't last long (legally speaking or pissed off neighbor speaking).

Now that I think about it, you could come up with a whole bunch of silly signs advertising why criminals should skip your house in favor of your neighbors:

"Their alarm company sign is fake, our is real."

"Pst.. they keep a spare key under the rock next to the potted plant."

"His daughters are way prettier than mine."







..oh please my sides are splitting. Never in the history of comedy has such a wit existed. Et cetera et cetera.

Sheesh, seriously Marc, go back to the Shakespeare. You'll find some genuine wit in there, as opposed to the mean spirited shit you're suggesting is funny from up above in this thread.

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RE: Anti-Gun Senator Shoots Intruder - 1/24/2010 4:02:40 PM   
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In typical hypocritical liberal fashion, the "Do As I Say And Not As I
Do" Anti-Gun Activist Lawmaker picked up his gun and took action in what apparently was a self-defense shooting. Why hypocritical you may ask? It is because his long legislative record shows that the actions that he took to protect his family, his own response to a dangerous life threatening situation, are actions that he feels ordinary citizens should not have if they were faced with an identical situation.
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"When you start a thread using terms such as ' typical hypocritical liberal fashion', you lose any credibility. "

Where the hell did that come from ? I read no such words. What browser are you using because it must be a hell of alot better than mine.

Second of all, all you anti gunners out there, you lack the common sense of an animal. You NEVER give up your primary form of defense. What are you crazy ? Third of all this thread as I see it is not about gun control, but hypocracy. They want to take our guns but still have their's. They control our retirement and their's which are separate, why ? Now they want to control our health care but again their's will be separate, what the fuck does liberal or conservative have to do with this ?

What the fuck !

A democrat shot an armed intruder in his house at night.

A republican shot an armed intruder in his house at night.

They way some of you people have it, one is wrong and one is right. Bullshit. The hubris, the priveledge and advantage is the fucking point. Until these fucking politicians have to live under the conditions they create for us, we are FUCKED. Got it ?

I think I got it..

T


In typical hypocritical liberal fashion, the  "Do As I Say And Not As I
Do"  Anti-Gun Activist Lawmaker picked up  his gun and took action in what apparently was a self-defense  shooting. Why hypocritical you may ask? It is  because his long  legislative record shows that the actions that he took to  protect  his family, his own response to a dangerous life threatening   situation, are actions that he feels ordinary citizens should not  have if they were  faced with an identical situation.



Right there Termy, clear as day so maybe it is your browser. Ebony read it correctly, as did I. It's bullshit.




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RE: Anti-Gun Senator Shoots Intruder - 1/24/2010 4:27:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kittinSol
The idea behind the photo is to commit an of delation against one's neighbours by advertising that they're more vulnerable to an armed burglar than you are, to save your own skin, and to fuck them up at the same time. It's cowardly and criminal.


Show me how it's criminal. I'll wait.

If the sign were real and factual i.e the unarmed neighbor actually did want to ban all guns and remove the armed naighbor's right to defend his home then I see nothing wrong with the sign. If the unarmed neighbor merely chose to not own firearms and didn't advocate taking away everyone else's right to own fireams then the sign likely would not exist.

The whole 'If you can't see it my way then there's nothing to discuss' logic is juvenile at best and the mark of a skilled debater.




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RE: Anti-Gun Senator Shoots Intruder - 1/24/2010 4:38:23 PM   
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Your way of thinking absolutely sucks, but you're from Planet Rightwing, so it's not really very surprising: there is nothing to debate here, since we all agree the photograph is doctored. Just arguments to be had about a hypothetical and, radically different moralities. Who will you exercise the skills you acquired during your stint at the High School Debating Society? Watch this page, because it certainly won't be with me :-) .

PS: why do right-wing people think it's funny when people die?

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RE: Anti-Gun Senator Shoots Intruder - 1/24/2010 6:14:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic
In reality, such a sign would be idiocy of course, because someone who steals guns would wait until they knew the residents were gone to stop by and collect them. 


Good point- a thief would much rather kill you for your guns, than kill your neighbor for his TV set.

But I see kittin's point. Speaking as a gun owner, who has spent plenty of time at the firing range, there ARE enough Travis Bickles who have a weird fetish for firearms, who secretly (or openly) harbor bloody cinematic fantasies involving them flying through the air while firing a gun in each hand, to give all of us a bad name.

In fact, here is a picture of that guy, who swaggers out with his OfficialRedRyderCarbineAction200ShotRangeModelAirRifle, and saves his cowardly gun-hating neighbors.....




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RE: Anti-Gun Senator Shoots Intruder - 1/24/2010 6:15:56 PM   
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RE: Anti-Gun Senator Shoots Intruder - 1/24/2010 9:09:09 PM   
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..oh please my sides are splitting. Never in the history of comedy has such a wit existed. Et cetera et cetera.


Well, I wouldn't go that far.

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Sheesh, seriously Marc, go back to the Shakespeare. You'll find some genuine wit in there, as opposed to the mean spirited shit you're suggesting is funny from up above in this thread.


Mean spirited shit? Please. I've seen far worse in an episode of South Park. I suspect that people's "disgust" with the sign has more to do with their disgust with the OP rather than the humor of the sign itself. If Masterg2kTR had posted it in the humor section I doubt people would be getting their panties in such a twist over it.



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RE: Anti-Gun Senator Shoots Intruder - 1/24/2010 11:23:58 PM   
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"when you start a thread" Sorry I thought that meant the beginning, not in the middle.

Anyone don't like guns ? I can easily arrainge a test, conducted by professionals to make sure your house is free of guns. It happens every day. And kit, the sign is fine except it is stupid. My sign would say something like "One of my neighbors" rather than pointing like that, and it would include "Guess which one".

But then right now I am pretty safe. This house is rarely empty since I got roomies. One will fight, never back down even if he gets his ass kicked, the other has NEVER EVER lost a fight in his life, he's the one I used to work out with. While that can be an interesting thing to handle on it's own, I don't really have to worry about others. They will be cut up, shut up or put off in some way. And if my people can't do it out come the guns. They both know what it means if I yell "CLEAR". I also have some huge hazmat bags that can hold a body, and nobody will even look in them for a long time.

Unlike the photo though, I would use my guns to defend my neighbor. Any and all of them. If they fucked with Yvonne across the street she would have to be counselled as my boys pack the dead carcass into the back of my car. "NO, do not call the police, the problem is over, and faster and better than they could ever do it".

Get it in your head, and everybody should be like this. I will not tolerate trouble here. They have been very supportive in the past, and helpful when the olman died. I "feel" as though I owe them a bit of loyalty. Especially Joe and Yvonne. They were talking about moving out and getting a condo because they were older, but I talked them out of it. I told her straight out that she wouldn't like it, because she is a bit of a busybody. She is the spearhead of the neighborhood watch around here and was a school crossing guard. Her olman Joe is a retired Chevy worker. Regular upstanding folk, the kind we need more of. The don't ask, they give. They watch everything around here, except my antics.

I would kill for my neighbors, but then my law takes effect. If the cops don't show up too soon we just get rid of the carcass and avoid all that questioning. I am not kidding. Some useless piece of shit comes here to take our shit he is dogmeat. Case closed. I said I would never move away from here, but what does here mean ? It is not a bunch of houses, it is the people in the houses. If all my good neighbors left the "hood" here, this place wouldn't be here. Get what I mean ?

There are druggie neighborhoods to the north, the south, the west and the east. It is We The People who keep that shit from coming here, not any LEO agency. I am perfectly capable of becoming a vigilante at the drop of a hat, and not lose a moment of sleep over it, and they know it. But they do not fear me, they like having me around, despite the occasional party and noise.

Andy nextdoor cleans his guns right out on the front porch, even as the cops drive by. It's illegal to have a fire in the city just for entertainment, he has one anytime he damn well pleases. Nobody calls. He is part of the "posse". Al on the other side was a jail guard for umpteen years, I know he has guns. Two of my friends have CCW licenses. A few more pack a rod as well. We are not out to take what belongs to others, in fact quite the opposite. We don't deserve this facet of humanity bestowed upon us, those who would rape, pillage and plunder, and we don't put up with it.

As hard as it may be to believe we have some solidarity. It helped us when the property values were good, and now that we have it, it is much more important because nobody can move right now.

As long as it stays this way I am never going to move. I believe this is how Man was meant to live, neighbors helping and supporting one another. She brings me the extra food from the church on the corner from when they have those meetings. The other meetings are held at the local bar in the party room. The councilman usually attends. The bar owner is a very rich Man and wants to invest in the community, but is not stupid about it. Understandable.

When my car got sideswiped a few years ago sitting there parked, 911 did not get the call, I did. It was my choice if I wanted to beat the shit out of the asshole. It turned out he was a kid and really really did not know how to drive. While I might not have a conception of what that's like, it was true, and there was no beating. I just extracted a couple hundred, not from the driver, but from the idiot who let him drive. Actually I think I used the wrong word, he couldn't be called a driver IMO. But this kid had no spatial reasoning or something. The cops did come that day but I didn't send his ass to jail even. The dude hit my car at least three times because he did not know that all he had to do was turn the wheel a bit.

Then there's the time I went out in my underwear and blew off a 12 guage a couple of times, which extracted a segment of a den of theives from various backyards. They scurried to the car like cockroaches and drove away like Mario Andretti. This IS a neighborhood.

I would put up a sign.

ONE OF MY NEIGHBORS HAS NO GUNS, GUESS WHICH ONE !

But even that is not all that smart. I got four people living here now and still I can't make it so there is always someone here. Guns are a very hot commodity these days. And as the NRA will tell you guns don't kill people. This is true, if I am not there to aim it and pull the trigger you will not be wearing lead.

The sign ? I would not put up a sign anyway. A picture is worth a thousand words. A picture of a dead body is worth a thousand words. An actual dead body is worth 10,000 words. You have no idea how much balls I got. I might not do it in the front yard, but if I shoot a burglar and the cops don't come I might just put up a crucifix in the back and nail his dead ass to it. At least until he starts stinking. Then I have plenty of places, it's just if I wait too long it might get hard to find help.

Just be clear on this. We hold this area by force. I NEVER call the cops. We don't need their help. If the tunes are too loud, the neighbors will get dressed and come over and bitch about it. I will apologize and turn it down (yes it was either me or Andy as we are the ones who have the big speakers). The cops come just because they have some friends around here.

This is, I believe how it was meant to be, and that is why I will probably never move. And really, and I mean really, I am sorry that everybody doesn't have this. This is a community and I will fight for it to my last dying breath.

What about y'all ?

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