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ORIGINAL: Thadius

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

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Very interesting question, and way to look at things. If that is the standard to use... has there been any convictions related to the original topic of this thread?

Is it a political persecution?

I asked questions and I asked for substantiation.. If you state something you shouldn't resent finding proof of your assertion... I mentioned that there could be a political motivation because ACORN helps poor people...

What is it they say? When the  tree is poisoned, all the fruit from the tree is poisoned too... and that is the reality, Jack, this okeefe dude is the poison, and all the fruit he has provided is poisoned too. Including with the footage that he may have tampered with (as the employees of ACORN claim).

Oh, btw, as domken pointed out, there is a difference between bad actors and a bad organization...

My issue is that you are asking for the conviction standard when judging ACORN, but dismiss it when it comes to this O'Keef (spelling). It would seem that you are the one accusing critics of ACORN of having a political motive against "poor people". I answered your question as honestly as could be answered.

There have been at least 12 convictions of ACORN members for voter fraud, and 6 others that plead guilty for numerous other election violations (all of which occured in 1 state and over a couple of election cycles - See ACORN Missouri). Well just to be certain, I looked it up, in addition to the ones already mentioned: in 2007 4 ACORN employees were indicted for fraud, and in 2008 eight more plead guilty to federal election fraud. (Again, these are just the ones in Missouri).

Want more from the top.... Christopher Edwards a former field director in Nevada plead guilty and testified against 2 others in higher management (their trials are still pending). Then look over to Pennsylvania who was running the same type of quota and registration scheme..... and on and on. It is really easy to seperate each one into individual incidents, but this is something occurring across the nation via one organization. Could simply be coincidence, or perhaps as you suggest "the whole tree is poisoned".

P.S. I noticed that both you and Ken glassed over the embezzlement and the coverup that occured by the founder and his brother. I would point out that I provided non partisan evidence of that.

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ORIGINAL: Thadius

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

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Very interesting question, and way to look at things. If that is the standard to use... has there been any convictions related to the original topic of this thread?

Is it a political persecution?

I asked questions and I asked for substantiation.. If you state something you shouldn't resent finding proof of your assertion... I mentioned that there could be a political motivation because ACORN helps poor people...

What is it they say? When the  tree is poisoned, all the fruit from the tree is poisoned too... and that is the reality, Jack, this okeefe dude is the poison, and all the fruit he has provided is poisoned too. Including with the footage that he may have tampered with (as the employees of ACORN claim).

Oh, btw, as domken pointed out, there is a difference between bad actors and a bad organization...

My issue is that you are asking for the conviction standard when judging ACORN, but dismiss it when it comes to this O'Keef (spelling). It would seem that you are the one accusing critics of ACORN of having a political motive against "poor people". I answered your question as honestly as could be answered.

There have been at least 12 convictions of ACORN members for voter fraud, and 6 others that plead guilty for numerous other election violations (all of which occured in 1 state and over a couple of election cycles - See ACORN Missouri). Well just to be certain, I looked it up, in addition to the ones already mentioned: in 2007 4 ACORN employees were indicted for fraud, and in 2008 eight more plead guilty to federal election fraud. (Again, these are just the ones in Missouri).

Want more from the top.... Christopher Edwards a former field director in Nevada plead guilty and testified against 2 others in higher management (their trials are still pending). Then look over to Pennsylvania who was running the same type of quota and registration scheme..... and on and on. It is really easy to seperate each one into individual incidents, but this is something occurring across the nation via one organization. Could simply be coincidence, or perhaps as you suggest "the whole tree is poisoned".

P.S. I noticed that both you and Ken glassed over the embezzlement and the coverup that occured by the founder and his brother. I would point out that I provided non partisan evidence of that.

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They are desperate for more dead people and Disney characters to get registered in hopes of holding back the November deluge.

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

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ORIGINAL: AnimusRex

Especially considering the zeal Trace Gallagher at Fox news has with torturing 15 year olds.

You have an odd definition of "zeal". You want zeal? Waterboard the little fucker till he chokes on his own vomit.

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

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ORIGINAL: Thadius

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

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Very interesting question, and way to look at things. If that is the standard to use... has there been any convictions related to the original topic of this thread?

Is it a political persecution?

I asked questions and I asked for substantiation.. If you state something you shouldn't resent finding proof of your assertion... I mentioned that there could be a political motivation because ACORN helps poor people...

What is it they say? When the  tree is poisoned, all the fruit from the tree is poisoned too... and that is the reality, Jack, this okeefe dude is the poison, and all the fruit he has provided is poisoned too. Including with the footage that he may have tampered with (as the employees of ACORN claim).

Oh, btw, as domken pointed out, there is a difference between bad actors and a bad organization...

My issue is that you are asking for the conviction standard when judging ACORN, but dismiss it when it comes to this O'Keef (spelling). It would seem that you are the one accusing critics of ACORN of having a political motive against "poor people". I answered your question as honestly as could be answered.

There have been at least 12 convictions of ACORN members for voter fraud, and 6 others that plead guilty for numerous other election violations (all of which occured in 1 state and over a couple of election cycles - See ACORN Missouri). Well just to be certain, I looked it up, in addition to the ones already mentioned: in 2007 4 ACORN employees were indicted for fraud, and in 2008 eight more plead guilty to federal election fraud. (Again, these are just the ones in Missouri).

Want more from the top.... Christopher Edwards a former field director in Nevada plead guilty and testified against 2 others in higher management (their trials are still pending). Then look over to Pennsylvania who was running the same type of quota and registration scheme..... and on and on. It is really easy to seperate each one into individual incidents, but this is something occurring across the nation via one organization. Could simply be coincidence, or perhaps as you suggest "the whole tree is poisoned".

P.S. I noticed that both you and Ken glassed over the embezzlement and the coverup that occured by the founder and his brother. I would point out that I provided non partisan evidence of that.

The thread is about this pimp boy, not acorn anyways... I love the way right wingers try to change the conversation when they do not like the one presently taking place....

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ORIGINAL: Thadius
My issue is that you are asking for the conviction standard when judging ACORN, but dismiss it when it comes to this O'Keef (spelling). It would seem that you are the one accusing critics of ACORN of having a political motive against "poor people". I answered your question as honestly as could be answered.

There have been at least 12 convictions of ACORN members for voter fraud, and 6 others that plead guilty for numerous other election violations (all of which occured in 1 state and over a couple of election cycles - See ACORN Missouri). Well just to be certain, I looked it up, in addition to the ones already mentioned: in 2007 4 ACORN employees were indicted for fraud, and in 2008 eight more plead guilty to federal election fraud. (Again, these are just the ones in Missouri).

Want more from the top.... Christopher Edwards a former field director in Nevada plead guilty and testified against 2 others in higher management (their trials are still pending). Then look over to Pennsylvania who was running the same type of quota and registration scheme..... and on and on. It is really easy to seperate each one into individual incidents, but this is something occurring across the nation via one organization. Could simply be coincidence, or perhaps as you suggest "the whole tree is poisoned".

P.S. I noticed that both you and Ken glassed over the embezzlement and the coverup that occured by the founder and his brother. I would point out that I provided non partisan evidence of that.

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Show me where I tried to change the subject... or where you can make the assumption that I am a right winger. You asked if there were any convictions of ACORN, in an attempt to deflect, so I asked if there had been a conviction of O'Keef. That is how we wound up down this road. Again, you wish to apply one standard to somebody you agree with, and another for those you disagree with.

Enjoy your position of morality, I shall continue to enjoy mine.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: Thadius
My issue is that you are asking for the conviction standard when judging ACORN, but dismiss it when it comes to this O'Keef (spelling). It would seem that you are the one accusing critics of ACORN of having a political motive against "poor people". I answered your question as honestly as could be answered.

There have been at least 12 convictions of ACORN members for voter fraud, and 6 others that plead guilty for numerous other election violations (all of which occured in 1 state and over a couple of election cycles - See ACORN Missouri). Well just to be certain, I looked it up, in addition to the ones already mentioned: in 2007 4 ACORN employees were indicted for fraud, and in 2008 eight more plead guilty to federal election fraud. (Again, these are just the ones in Missouri).

Want more from the top.... Christopher Edwards a former field director in Nevada plead guilty and testified against 2 others in higher management (their trials are still pending). Then look over to Pennsylvania who was running the same type of quota and registration scheme..... and on and on. It is really easy to seperate each one into individual incidents, but this is something occurring across the nation via one organization. Could simply be coincidence, or perhaps as you suggest "the whole tree is poisoned".

P.S. I noticed that both you and Ken glassed over the embezzlement and the coverup that occured by the founder and his brother. I would point out that I provided non partisan evidence of that.

What you're glossing over is that ACORN officials turned in the people who were convicted of filing fraudulent voter applications. So quite obviously everyone at ACORN is not corrupt and actually did the right thing despite the fact that it would bring bad publicity.

Now let's examine a group the continues to qualify as corrupt from the top down by your own standard, that's right the GOP:

We have YPM and Mark Jacoby commiting vote fraud and being convicted of it
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/project_vote/2009/06/living-in-glass-houses-the-gop.php

Executive Director of the NH Republican party and a company called GOP Marketplace guilty of interfering in a federal election:
http://www.concordmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040729/REPOSITORY/407290322/1043/NEWS01

Those convictions quite clearly affected more voters than all the Missouri convictions combined and since they involve people in leadership positions within the GOP it makes the case that o the two organizations the GOP is the truly corrupt organization and the one more heavily involved in voter fraud issues. Tha fact that in no case was it a GOP official who turned in the GOP bad actors compares quite unfavorably to ACORN as well.

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

Nice attempt at deflection. the topic was Acorn...

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

Nice attempt at deflection. the topic was Acorn...

No, the topic was the little geek who got arrested for his second attempt at fraud to gain his 15 minutes of fame.

Refer back to the title and OP if you become confused again.

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

Nice attempt at deflection. the topic was Acorn...

No, the topic was the little geek who got arrested for his second attempt at fraud to gain his 15 minutes of fame.

Refer back to the title and OP if you become confused again.

An investigative journalist who is the object of all the rancor because he brought down the corrupt Acorn.

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy
An investigative journalist who is the object of all the rancor because he brought down the corrupt Acorn.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Funny how the far left absolutely hates real journalists. Give them corporate news or government broadcasting and they're happier than flies on shit. Give them facts though, and they act like you're setting them on fire.

Don't upset their happy little world...

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy
An investigative journalist who is the object of all the rancor because he brought down the corrupt Acorn.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


You're so full of shit, ken. O'Keefe is giving interviews bragging about how this is all so overblown.

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

Nice attempt at deflection. the topic was Acorn...

No, the topic was the little geek who got arrested for his second attempt at fraud to gain his 15 minutes of fame.

Refer back to the title and OP if you become confused again.

An investigative journalist who is the object of all the rancor because he brought down the corrupt Acorn.