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~FR

He's a fucking rock star. We got Denzel Washington for a president.

I hope he keeps on keeping on calling bullshit, "bullshit."

Denzel...excellent analogy. Obama is an actor who can slip in and out of character without knowing a fucking thing about what hes portraying.

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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

"The health care package they've spent a year attacking is virtually the same as the one they proposed to counter Clinton's".
Are you serious? Did they also, in this alternate reality, propose to gut medicare to pay for it?

"The current counterproposals consist not of health care reform, but of deregulation of the health care industry.'
Can you think of a way to continue the availability of goods and services (in this or any other industry) without deregulation, increased competition, or both (I have my own ideas about increasing competition, but few would have the guts for them)?

"simple reality here is Republicans have no intention of passing health care reform, not this bill, not their bill, not any bill. They never have, and apparently never will, beyond talking about it to string it along with never-ending delay tactics."
Thank God. And the Dems who were such useful idiots.

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ORIGINAL: subtee

~FR

He's a fucking rock star. We got Denzel Washington for a president.

I hope he keeps on keeping on calling bullshit, "bullshit."

Denzel...excellent analogy. Obama is an actor who can slip in and out of character without knowing a fucking thing about what hes portraying.

Doesn't he (Denzel, that is, who is fabulous in Eli,  btw) also have one foot on a banan peel and the other in a federal prison cell?

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"The health care package they've spent a year attacking is virtually the same as the one they proposed to counter Clinton's".
Are you serious? Did they also, in this alternate reality, propose to gut medicare to pay for it?

"The current counterproposals consist not of health care reform, but of deregulation of the health care industry.'
Can you think of a way to continue the availability of goods and services (in this or any other industry) without deregulation, increased competition, or both (I have my own ideas about increasing competition, but few would have the guts for them)?

"simple reality here is Republicans have no intention of passing health care reform, not this bill, not their bill, not any bill. They never have, and apparently never will, beyond talking about it to string it along with never-ending delay tactics."
Thank God. And the Dems who were such useful idiots.

Alternate reality? Just history. Dole laid out a expansion of private insurance as his proposal--just as this one did. In fact, that's one of its problems---going single payer is a much better plan. But, no, the Republicans wouldn't even go with their own original concept----which, by the way, where's that one gone for the past 18 years???

Every state regulates insurance, and for good reason. While you're studying history, go back and learn what happened before regulation.

I'm glad you at least admit Republicans will always oppose health care reform. But the current system is unsustainable. Costs continue to rise far faster than inflation. The uninsured continue to take crises to the emergency room instead of much cheaper preventative care. Employees and employers continue to see the cost of their health insurance rise. Insurers continue to drop coverage. This is only going to get worse and worse until private health care fails.

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Look, here's the thing.

It's clear from this and other posts that you aren't aware of the past history here. It makes discussion pointless, as you're taking blind shots at things you obvious don't know anything about. Start there.

We have a long history of regulation. We've also had disastrous deregulation. You obviously aren't up to speed on that history either. You've repeating blind abstractions.

Perhaps you've heard of states' rights? There is every sensible reason why citizens in one state can choose differently than citizens in another. We call it the U.S. Constitution. Perhaps you've heard of it.

Slogans, kid, aren't gonna do the job. Stop repeating them, and start reading your history.

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Does this mean that republicans will now be allowed in the closed door health care debates ? I doubt it. He is all talk and no action..

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Does this mean that republicans will now be allowed in the closed door health care debates ? I doubt it. He is all talk and no action..

If I may point out, he had the chance to get the health care bill through BEFORE the new republican from MA was seated and made a point to hold off the debate until AFTER he was seated.

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Willbur meet Truck.....you met your match
I look forward to providing more hilarity and ridiculousness ...thankyou

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There are two ways, and only two ways, to maintain/expand availability of healthcare while constraining/reducing costs. Competition. Deregulation. They are the only things that have ever worked, or ever will.

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There are two ways, and only two ways, to maintain/expand availability of healthcare while constraining/reducing costs. Competition. Deregulation. They are the only things that have ever worked, or ever will.

with the exception of every other advanced country on earth of course.