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RE: Do you as a submissive woman feel you have a greate... - 1/30/2010 11:19:04 AM   
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How fucking stupid of a question. I detest people who think that because you are sexually or philosophically identified with being submissive or dominant that those would define who you truly are as a HUMAN BEING.



It's not the sort of thing I see in people who have real-life experience in BDSM... more from the "I learned this online" crowd.

Cali



True, Cali. I just get sick of hearing this nonsense so often. As if we are so different than the rest of humanity....some people feel the need to find superiority in kink. Pfft...



that is so totally misrepresenting what i believe, i have often said we are no better or worse than anybody else that doms are men who can be assholes just like any other man

the only difference about us is our sexual proclivities and the sometimes extremes we take them, and yes it's a big difference

i just happen to be a bit more extreme in what i want but not different in kind to many here

i don't worry about things like the difference between subs and slaves, that means nothing to me, i think in terms of how obedient is she to her partner and what that feeling of obedience means to her

i don't go in for esoteric play and toys and admit to being the worlds worst top

i don't perform well in casual play, dungeons and play parties leave me mostly bored when i attend alone

i am mostly driven by the relationship perspective and don't enjoy sex with non submissive womenm, they seem like a different species to me

i'm totally consensual in my approach and tell everything they need to know about me very early in the get to know you stages, so as not to waste either of our time

most everything i stand for is spelled out in my profile and journals

so those that label me dishonest and a predator are talking out their a$$ as they obviously haven't checked to see if what they're saying is factual

and for those that have checked my profile to continue to spout this venom is dishonest to say the least, it’s all there for the seeing









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RE: Do you as a submissive woman feel you have a greate... - 1/30/2010 11:41:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		We used to have a poster named takenbyjohnr07.  She would post questions that were phrased in a way guaranteed to get a reaction.  After numerous posts from other people being taken aback by her attitude, she would come back and say, "oh I agree completely, I would never do THAT" or "I would never think THAT"... as if it was a rhetorical question.  Just like this.

Contrast that to genuine rhetorical questions, that are presented openly and honestly, something like, "I have heard some people say XXXXXX, and some other people say YYYYY.  I personally believe in YYYYY, and am curious what other people think."

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RE: Do you as a submissive woman feel you have a greate... - 1/30/2010 11:43:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		so your objection isn't to the questions per se, but to the way they are worded?

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RE: Do you as a submissive woman feel you have a greate... - 1/30/2010 11:47:16 AM   
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ORIGINAL: CalifChick


It's not the sort of thing I see in people who have real-life experience in BDSM... more from the "I learned this online" crowd.

Cali



Very true. But all of osf's posts and his profile read as if he's just learned online and done chat rooms only.

His entire stress that the only relationship he wants with a sub is sexual. That she will be happy being unhappy all the time. All of this is chat room nonsense. Not something that anybody who has ever had a relationship would ever say.

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RE: Do you as a submissive woman feel you have a greate... - 1/30/2010 11:51:37 AM   
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ORIGINAL: sexyred1


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ORIGINAL: CalifChick

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ORIGINAL: sexyred1

How fucking stupid of a question. I detest people who think that because you are sexually or philosophically identified with being submissive or dominant that those would define who you truly are as a HUMAN BEING.



It's not the sort of thing I see in people who have real-life experience in BDSM... more from the "I learned this online" crowd.

Cali



True, Cali. I just get sick of hearing this nonsense so often. As if we are so different than the rest of humanity....some people feel the need to find superiority in kink. Pfft...


throughly debunked above if you care to read it

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RE: Do you as a submissive woman feel you have a greate... - 1/30/2010 11:51:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		In a word, yes.  In more words, my objection is to what appears to be a pattern of deliberately wording things in a way as to cause strife.  Perhaps it creates a more entertaining discussion for some people.  Personally, I would prefer a more honest discussion of the topic.  Why do some people think that kinksters are more "anything" than non-kinksters.  More loyal, more trustworthy, more dependable, whatever.  Do you consciously or subconsciously hold kinksters to a higher standard than non-kinsters.  Have you always felt this way, or is this something from fictional novels and/or online.  Do you find that people start off with this pedestal-view and then it dissolves as they obtain more real-life experience and meet/interact with more people in the flesh.  If you had this view and no longer do, what happened to make it change for you.  Was it one dom who crossed a line, was it witnessing someone fabricating lies in your local group, was it taking a stand and saying that while you're happy to host a party at your home, the convicted-child-molestor-felon is not welcome in your home, and if that's a dealbreaker, the party will have to be somewhere else.

I prefer that sort of honest discussion versus one where the biased premise of the question is under fire.

Cali





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RE: Do you as a submissive woman feel you have a greate... - 1/30/2010 11:53:12 AM   
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RE: Do you as a submissive woman feel you have a greate... - 1/30/2010 11:56:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		And actually if we judged all dominants by the op's forum posts, we would infer that all dominants whine and complain. That they stir up drama and strife and lie about doing so, and therefore assume that all dominants were lacking in integrity.

Since most of us see the op for who he is, which is a pitiful person, we don't judge all dominants by him.

I will say that I know lots of horse people and like most of them. It came as an unpleasant surprise to discover the op has horses and behaves this badly. Usually animals teach people kindness and compassion. It's a shame the op couldn't learn these lessons. And I hope I've never met him at a show in Sussex.

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RE: Do you as a submissive woman feel you have a greate... - 1/30/2010 11:57:22 AM   
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ORIGINAL: CalifChick

In a word, yes.  In more words, my objection is to what appears to be a pattern of deliberately wording things in a way as to cause strife.  Perhaps it creates a more entertaining discussion for some people.  Personally, I would prefer a more honest discussion of the topic.  Why do some people think that kinksters are more "anything" than non-kinksters.  More loyal, more trustworthy, more dependable, whatever.  Do you consciously or subconsciously hold kinksters to a higher standard than non-kinsters.  Have you always felt this way, or is this something from fictional novels and/or online.  Do you find that people start off with this pedestal-view and then it dissolves as they obtain more real-life experience and meet/interact with more people in the flesh.  If you had this view and no longer do, what happened to make it change for you.  Was it one dom who crossed a line, was it witnessing someone fabricating lies in your local group, was it taking a stand and saying that while you're happy to host a party at your home, the convicted-child-molestor-felon is not welcome in your home, and if that's a dealbreaker, the party will have to be somewhere else.

I prefer that sort of honest discussion versus one where the biased premise of the question is under fire.

Cali






i thought we were all adults here, the strife is caused by those that don't like the wording



words alone don't cause anything

again read my post above

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RE: Do you as a submissive woman feel you have a greate... - 1/30/2010 12:32:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: osf
most everything i stand for is spelled out in my profile and journals

so those that label me dishonest and a predator are talking out their a$$ as they obviously haven't checked to see if what they're saying is factual

and for those that have checked my profile to continue to spout this venom is dishonest to say the least, it’s all there for the seeing


But my darling every time you ask something to submissive women you are talking out of your ass, let me explain. Your 'oh so wonderful' profile and journal which outlines what you really truly believe says that you don't really like women all that much, and that you don't really care for any of their opinions, largely you think that your opinion alone is the only one of any consequence. Which is fine, we are all entitled to our opinions. However to come and spout moral indignation that someone may call you a predator when you constantly lie is rather amusing to say the least.

I personally don't care what your opinion of women are, I dont give a shit about what gets you off, It doesnt matter to me how you view people who don't think the same way, but at least try to be honest about it, we would all respect you a hell of a lot more.

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RE: Do you as a submissive woman feel you have a greate... - 1/30/2010 12:38:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LillyoftheVally


quote:

ORIGINAL: osf
most everything i stand for is spelled out in my profile and journals

so those that label me dishonest and a predator are talking out their a$$ as they obviously haven't checked to see if what they're saying is factual

and for those that have checked my profile to continue to spout this venom is dishonest to say the least, it’s all there for the seeing


But my darling every time you ask something to submissive women you are talking out of your ass, let me explain. Your 'oh so wonderful' profile and journal which outlines what you really truly believe says that you don't really like women all that much, and that you don't really care for any of their opinions, largely you think that your opinion alone is the only one of any consequence. Which is fine, we are all entitled to our opinions. However to come and spout moral indignation that someone may call you a predator when you constantly lie is rather amusing to say the least.

I personally don't care what your opinion of women are, I dont give a shit about what gets you off, It doesnt matter to me how you view people who don't think the same way, but at least try to be honest about it, we would all respect you a hell of a lot more.



i keep answering the same false questions over and over again

see my post above

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RE: Do you as a submissive woman feel you have a greate... - 1/30/2010 12:40:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		I saw your answer, hence why I wrote what I wrote, maybe rather than telling people what to read you actually read the post in the first place? Linking rather nicely to your other thread about its in your profile, it is no wonder that women do not like it if you refuse to engage on any level

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RE: Do you as a submissive woman feel you have a greate... - 1/30/2010 12:49:32 PM   
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Do you as a submissive woman feel you have a greater obligation to other people to carry out your word than you feel a non submissive woman does and why

now this will be personal to each and i can't answer for you, so don't ask me


Maybe I'm reading it differently than those that gave the first few answers, but are you asking if I feel that I have a greater obligation to my owner than a vanilla woman to her vanilla man?

If so then sort of yes. When I was married I had no obligation to him to be obedient and not question him. As R's pet, I am obligated to obey him and understand that his word is final.

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RE: Do you as a submissive woman feel you have a greate... - 1/30/2010 12:52:13 PM   
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I saw your answer, hence why I wrote what I wrote, maybe rather than telling people what to read you actually read the post in the first place? Linking rather nicely to your other thread about its in your profile, it is no wonder that women do not like it if you refuse to engage on any level


you're laboring under the misapprehension that i care what people think of me as a whole

i do care about the opinion of those that are willing to be honest in their dialog, we may have differing opinions with respect, well at least i used to think that till i started posting here

it's been an awakening and a learning experience

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RE: Do you as a submissive woman feel you have a greate... - 1/30/2010 12:52:35 PM   
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so your objection isn't to the questions per se, but to the way they are worded?



Osf that is what I tried to explain to you yesterday (can't remember which thread though!), it seems that there is a giant disconnect between what you mean, and what you often times say.


For some of the others, FUCKINGA. If you detest osf so much then just don't freaking respond to him!

Sorry for yelling but I don't get why some folks keep saying how their beating their heads against a wall.. yet keep doing it so publicly. It's cool to dislike someone, we all have those we don't like. But for me, I avoid those people when I can.

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RE: Do you as a submissive woman feel you have a greate... - 1/30/2010 12:56:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: osf
i do care about the opinion of those that are willing to be honest in their dialog, we may have differing opinions with respect, well at leasti used to think that till i started posting here


Which is kinda my point, there is such a disparity sometimes between things that you say, like you are a walking contradiction. Maybe Camille is write and it simply poor communication that is making it very hard to understand what you mean when you say things, maybe it is a mistranslation of humour sometimes, I think that if you really do want honest dialoge, and you are being honest yourself you have to read what you write before you post it, make sure that it is actually what you want to say.

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RE: Do you as a submissive woman feel you have a greate... - 1/30/2010 2:17:18 PM   
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i thought we were all adults here, the strife is caused by those that don't like the wording



Bullshit.  The "strife" is caused by your unrelenting stance to insult people.

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RE: Do you as a submissive woman feel you have a greate... - 1/30/2010 2:23:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		you don't like the way i word my questions, so be it

but in reality my questions are very carefully worded, even if you don't think so

most everything i say is very carefully worded

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RE: Do you as a submissive woman feel you have a greate... - 1/30/2010 2:35:34 PM   
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i thought we were all adults here, the strife is caused by those that don't like the wording



Bullshit.  The "strife" is caused by your unrelenting stance to insult people.



agreed..... seems something that many here forget or might not even know is that this individual revealed himself as the same person of a previous nic. That nic's communication style was rather long winded and had a very specific view on how to live this lifestyle. He didn't do so good with then.... and left to reinvent himself. He has come back and choosen to be more cryptic his communicating... but his opinions and ideas are still underneath. He really hasn't changed... except his clothes and a goose.

I can see why he would be much happier right now.. in the past it was ignored with indifference.... now he is getting the attention he craves. For some... even negative attention is better than no attention.

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RE: Do you as a submissive woman feel you have a greate... - 1/30/2010 2:37:24 PM   
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you don't like the way i word my questions, so be it

but in reality my questions are very carefully worded, even if you don't think so

most everything i say is very carefully worded


So you intended to insult my mother, my aunt, my best friend, my niece, all women who are not into wiitwd?



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