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"You're too serious" - 1/30/2010 5:24:42 PM   
derangedmaniac


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I was talking to a Master today, actually yesterday I think, and he told me I was being "too serious" about being a slave and that it is supposed to be "fun". I feel that I was born a slave, or a "true" slave I suppose, here to serve and I eventually want to give up control- but my friend said that this was out of the "norm".

What do you guys think? What is the "norm" when it comes to Master/slave? Is the "too serious" line a bunch of BS?
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RE: "You're too serious" - 1/30/2010 5:27:25 PM   
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I would say, yes, it's BS just given what little tiny bit you've shared.  Because there is SO wide a range of M/s relationship styles, dynamics, desires, expectations, etc.  For some it's nothing but bedroom roleplay, for some it's a serious set of owner and property lifestyle, and all other sorts of things.  If you and they aren't on the same page, that's fine, but it doesn't mean there isn't someone out there that is right for your style.

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RE: "You're too serious" - 1/30/2010 5:34:49 PM   
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I was talking to a Master today, actually yesterday I think, and he told me I was being "too serious" about being a slave and that it is supposed to be "fun". I feel that I was born a slave, or a "true" slave I suppose, here to serve and I eventually want to give up control- but my friend said that this was out of the "norm".

What do you guys think? What is the "norm" when it comes to Master/slave? Is the "too serious" line a bunch of BS?



If it makes you feel any better, I cannot take anyone serious that is holding up a pair of Spidey-man Underoos.  So I think that you are in the clear.

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RE: "You're too serious" - 1/30/2010 5:39:23 PM   
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i wouldn't necessarily call it BS, but i don't think you should necessarily take it to heart either - it is what being a slave means to you.

i engage in a very, very serious lifestyle Owner/property dynamic. But one of the main reasons i do it is because it's fun - with him. It is fun to be together, to experience life togther, and this wonderful relationship that we have together.

It isn't about me being "worthless" or about being caged in the dirt 24/7 (even though that has its place too). It is about being passionately engaged with someone else, someone who wants to Own me, every bit of me, and i want to give every bit of my "self" to him as i serve my role for his pleasure, fun, and amusement.

Does this make sense? So you can have it both ways. And it's wonderful.

Btw, letting go of the "true" slave moniker ultimately helped me - there are many, many definitions of slave and it is up to the Owner and property (or Master and slave) involved to define it for them. It's all about compatible needs, and desires, ultimately.

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RE: "You're too serious" - 1/30/2010 5:40:17 PM   
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LOL, I was just putting up a picture that I thought made me look good! Would it make a difference if I had my main picture be of me on my knees in a CB? I don't think that should judge it all.. but each person is different. 

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RE: "You're too serious" - 1/30/2010 5:42:59 PM   
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No!! I think you are seriously adorable.

My advice to you, don't put so much weight on what others say. Be true to yourself and you will be just fine.

Now where is LanceHughes you need a strong, credible gay Master!?! He'd show you what serious is! (And damn I'd like to watch!)

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RE: "You're too serious" - 1/30/2010 5:49:01 PM   
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LOL, I was just putting up a picture that I thought made me look good! Would it make a difference if I had my main picture be of me on my knees in a CB? I don't think that should judge it all.. but each person is different. 


A serious answer?

No, that would be worse.  However a nice picture that you would be comfortable with a significant other placing on their desk in an office would be lovely. 


As far as your original question goes, since I was not privy to the conversation I cannot really remark.  What aspects were being discussed?  No, you needn't tell me.  It could be BS, you could be being too serious, or you could both be incompatible.  You could also be talking past each other.  There are many things that could be going on here.  Too many for me to make a guess as to whether or not it was a valid observation.  At the same time it could have been a valid observation as far as a relationship with HIM was concerned. 

Forget what you read about in Venus in Furs, and treat this as two PEOPLE getting to know each other. 



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RE: "You're too serious" - 1/30/2010 6:51:33 PM   
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You're going to be too serious for some, not serious enough for others.  You'll be too young for some, and (eventually) too old for others.  And for that matter, you're the wrong gender for me.

It's not like there's some objective standard you're not meeting.  It's a subjective standard, different for everyone, and hopefully you'll find a match soon.


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RE: "You're too serious" - 1/30/2010 7:30:10 PM   
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There is a difference between temporary slave roleplay and TPE lifestyle. To those that cannot fathom a TPE, the slave aspects of it are beyond their grasp and just a fantasy. It may be BS to him and a lifestye reality to you.

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RE: "You're too serious" - 1/30/2010 8:39:12 PM   
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Dark Steven,

you wrote such a wonderful reply for the OP, that i am really touched and it saves me further thinking.



But OP, you can never be too serious for yourself, if you feel that your partner or casual company takes the whole bdsm not as serious as you, try to decide if you are really have different concepts or if you are maybe are a bit too young and serious.

But like others wrote you have to develop your own way and concept, take others statements about you with a distance and be careful with yourself, when you are as serious as i was some nearly 30 years ago.



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RE: "You're too serious" - 1/30/2010 11:36:38 PM   
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Lance Hughes checking in after Lady Angelika gave me a heads up:

I have, over the years, met a few persons that have "slave heart."  What a joy to meet them.  At your age of 22, I'd hardly think that "looking forever" can apply to your search.

Your profile is weak since it's so short. I tell subs/slaves that ask for help writing a "good" one, "Your profile should be in 4 main parts: 1) Where you have been. 2) Where you are now. 3) Where you would like to go. 4) What you have to offer..... Hhhmmmm seems to be gender free. LOL!  (In first three, I ain't talkin' zip codes!)

Your original post is desperate.  No one wants desperate on either side of the kneel.  I look for confidence in one's ability to learn.  I look for consistency and honesty.  I look for a way to start the trust building process....  That's why you often hear, "Meet in a public place."  It's not so much about the meeting, but rather did both sides show up?  When that happens, trust at least has a toe-hold. LOL!

As to "too serious," I can only say that you were "too serious" for him.  I often define BDSM as "serious fun."  We MUST be careful about our fun, but fun it is!  Maybe he read your desperation as "too serious about getting started," and got scared off.

Relax!!!! (which is different from not being serious.) Here's an example:

<------------  In this pic, I appear relaxed, serious, and ready to play, all at the same time.  I get about 3 compliments a week on my pic.  Your pic of holding Spiderman undies with a GRIM expression is sending mixed signals.....  Is that diaper play plus 3 years?  I can't even give other suggestions since the pic is so very, very confusing.  Actually, I've seen it before and immediately moved on, thinking, "What is the message?  It's weird and I'm not interested in finding out,"

You say:

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LOL, I was just putting up a picture that I thought made me look good! Would it make a difference if I had my main picture be of me on my knees in a CB? I don't think that should judge it all.....


C'mon.... Did you really think that made you "look good"?  Of course, a pic should not be used to "judge it all," but with such a short profile, you are NOT giving your potential Masters anything to judge you by except the pic.  No, not CB2000, not porno, but a nice shot of a man comfortable in his own skin, as opposed to suggesting that Underoos might suit him better.  There's all sorts of shots that "work."  Almost none are nude.  Try a "fresh out of the shower" shot - nice, clean robe, bare feet, with toussled, wet hair..... WOOF!  Try on roof-top of a tall building with scenic background... Let's see something that sets you apart from the crowd..... Let's see something that tells about you!  Rafting, fishing, bookworm?  Computer jock? Athletic jock, kneeling in half a torn uniform? Cooking up a dish and presenting it to viewer with just an apron on?  DAMN!  It's getting warm in here!! LOL! After all, your pic is the lead to your written advert - your profile.  Sell yourself.

My slave will NOT have a porno pic and will not be a porno slave (as in "tie me up and keep me sexually satisfied, and oh, don't forget to pay the heating bill so that I don't get cold down here.")  My slave will be more of the plantation Overseer.  A trusted, but collared/owned person with training to know how to "act in my name."  I'm involved in so many projects, I want a right hand man..... A person whose output I own since it is mine by my right and my training and my desire.

My vision is two knights in armor, back to back, swords drawn, protecting each other.  I protect you as my property, you protect me as your owner.  Sex? Yeah, sure...... and that's where we play and I get to mold you into my fantasy sex-toy.

I wear a yin-yang ring of my own design to remind me of that aspect of TPE. Gotta have both to make it spin. I have come mighty close a couple of times.  Each time I learned more about myself and what I am looking for. (That was true for the sub/slave also.)  I've got 25 plus years "in the scene" and will soon be 60 (pic is about 6 or 7 years old. - Not much changed except 'stache is now white.)  I continue to learn and grow and discover and search.

In summary, I know that finding the BDSM world (and this site) is exciting to no end and one always wants the best they can get as soon as they sit at the banquet table.  But, guess what?  There are many dishes to sample, many alternate courses (pork instead of beef, fruit salad or pie, etc.)  This is a life-long voyage, not a destination......
 
You might very well be qualified as a porter or valet, but that doesn't mean to keep searching for a Master on the platform and let the train leave the station without you..... (BIG HINT: The Masters looking for a porter or valet are already ON the train......)

Do the munch thing, attend play parties, volunteer (for both those), get known in the REAL world.  Get a reputation as polite, honest, helpful and interested in learning how to apply your "slave heart" to make your Master's life better...... DAMN! That sounds like a valet I'd like to have.

Good luck on your journey..... train's leaving..... be sure you're on it!!!

Regards, Lance

P.S.  Start a new profile with a name other than "derangedmaniac."  Really, how many Masters are going to take on a slave, no matter how much a true slave, with a name like that?  I suggest geography, vanilla interests, etc. but still with a slave sense to it.  Be creative..... be sensible..... be approachable..... be reasonable.... And if that is perceived as "too serious" by someone..... guess what?  You weren't interested in them anyway, and thank God for self-selection.  L.H. 

< Message edited by LanceHughes -- 1/30/2010 11:59:09 PM >


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RE: "You're too serious" - 1/30/2010 11:45:40 PM   
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Thanks Lance! I knew you'd have great advice for the young lad ;-)

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RE: "You're too serious" - 1/30/2010 11:49:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LanceHughes

I totally wanted to chime in on this thread with a "Srs Bsns!" internet image post...but it's probably more apropos to do this:

10 points.




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RE: "You're too serious" - 1/30/2010 11:53:30 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: NihilusZero

quote:

ORIGINAL: LanceHughes

I totally wanted to chime in on this thread with a "Srs Bsns!" internet image post...but it's probably more apropos to do this:

10 points.





Ummm... do I not get points for summoning him??? I mean I got all hot reading the post... that was a reward, but I'm a greedy Lady!

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RE: "You're too serious" - 1/30/2010 11:59:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

Ummm... do I not get points for summoning him??? I mean I got all hot reading the post... that was a reward, but I'm a greedy Lady!

- LA

Sneaky.  But, at very least, if I haven't yet handed out points for that avatar, I need to.

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RE: "You're too serious" - 1/31/2010 12:04:20 AM   
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20 points.


Merci beaucoup!

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RE: "You're too serious" - 1/31/2010 12:05:27 AM   
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To NZ: Thanks!
To Lady A: You're most welcome for "all hot" and also "Thanks!" for "summoning me." LOL!  I feel like some ancient spirit called from the depths to "save" the boy.

To Both:  edited for spelling, grammar and to add a P.S.  You both might want to re-read.

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RE: "You're too serious" - 1/31/2010 12:09:50 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LanceHughes

To NZ: Thanks!
To Lady A: You're most welcome for "all hot" and also "Thanks!" for "summoning me." LOL!  I feel like some ancient spirit called from the depths to "save" the boy.

To Both:  edited for spelling, grammar and to add a P.S.  You both might want to re-read.


LanceHughes, I knew you were the man for the job ;-) And great PS!

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RE: "You're too serious" - 1/31/2010 4:11:20 AM   
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quote:

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And for that matter, you're the wrong gender for me.




youre so picky!

ive had that comment made to me, in the context that i take it all too seriously as apposed to just dashing off for some kinky fun.

the thing is kinky fun is fine, if that is all that you want but if you want something a little more meaningful then youre going to take that as seriously as any other big decision in youre life.

however, i agree with the guy that it does need to be fun.

because youre starting out all of those fantasies of 'suffering' for youre D, being abjected, subjected and generally used for their pleasure (and not youres) is high and flying. truth is, whats sustainable in a relationship is a reasonable amount of fun, laughter and goofy times too.

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RE: "You're too serious" - 1/31/2010 4:14:39 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

Ummm... do I not get points for summoning him???


This is what went through my mind...

"Look!  Up in the sky!  It's the Lance-symbol!  Lady Angelika must have need of him!"




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