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RE: City condems house for only using solar - 2/1/2010 10:54:01 AM   
Termyn8or


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I can't help you here Hunky. While I agree that it can't be illegal to live without a refrigerator I wouldn't want to. I have two and am probably getting a third in a couple of months. Not to mention the deepfreeze. When certain things go on sale I can't even fit a can of beer in there. I do have a cold room in the winter though, fresh veggies and such go in there, but that's all over in the summer. That's why the third fridge.

But to the point. For a time when I was a kid we were close to dirt poor. For a time the fridge did not work and we got by. It needed a new compressor.

So now city code forces you to have enough electricity to run a refrigerator, but what if you don't have a working refrigerator ? The end result is the same. Engaging in a bit of post hoc ergo propter hoc just for fun. That means if my only one refrigerator breaks down (if I only had one), I have to move out. The net result is the same. Then after the black helicopters leave the inspectors, after throwing all my stuff out on the tree lawn will cite me likely for not taking the doors off and not having the dreaded freon 12 extracted by a licensed refrigeration technician. Additional fines would include putting out the trash more than 24 hours before the scheduled pickup.

After my response to something like that I will have no need for a house. All I would need is flowers for my grave or money in my commisary, depending on if I cna get that blaze of glory lit or not.

And the physics lesson for today : The moons gravity can barely, just barely hold water. There is no helium 3 there. At least not easily accessible.

There is more than meets the eye here. This "victim" probably used up everyone's SSN she knew to get power and ran up the bill until it got shut off. Now we have most likely an extension cord across a driveway and it is probably the cheap kind from a dollar store, not suited for outdoor use.

I'd rather just pay my bills than make a big fucking mess like this. Meantime, I need to go look for the number for the sewer department, it looks like a bunch of digging this spring. Oh joy. Just snaked it out a couple months ago and just had to do it again, on Saturday night ! The job went way longer than the four hours you get renting the machine. And replacing the pipe in the ground is going to be fun, the problems are caused by my tree. I will have to reroute it because I don't want to lose my tree. Think after I get off the phone with the city I'll download "The Money Pit". But after I sit on hold with them I might not get to watch it for about a month.

Or, maybe I should just pump my sewage out in the fromt yard. Alert the media and possibly get donations. Hmmmmm.

T

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RE: City condems house for only using solar - 2/1/2010 11:01:34 AM   
pahunkboy


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Status: offline 		...we have some shacks off the beaten path here.   Some have no running water and it is anybodies guess as to how suitable it is to live.

Thus far the govt stays out of it.

It is - how do I say- important to blend into where ever you are at.   that is why you see one person cuts the grass and the whole block then cuts the grass- even if it is not desperately needed.

I lived with out power for a few months in the 80s.  It can be done.  I simply walked across the street and bought a .39 small pack of lunch meat- and made sandwiches.    Put a 5 gallon bucket of water in the car- by 4 pm the water was hot enough to sponge bath.

the best advice tho is to blend in with the neighbors.  To never be the worst one on the block.

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RE: City condems house for only using solar - 2/1/2010 11:05:50 AM   
couldbemage


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Also, having a working refrigerator is a health issue.

I'm all for alternate approaches to housing and power, but I'm with the man on this one.


I've known many people that lived without refrigerators.

What health issue?

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RE: City condems house for only using solar - 2/1/2010 12:21:55 PM   
Termyn8or


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RE: City condems house for only using solar - 2/1/2010 2:14:36 PM   
Musicmystery


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ORIGINAL: couldbemage


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Also, having a working refrigerator is a health issue.

I'm all for alternate approaches to housing and power, but I'm with the man on this one.


I've known many people that lived without refrigerators.

What health issue?



Spoiling food. This is in Arizona.

Just saying I don't find the regulation extreme.

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RE: City condems house for only using solar - 2/1/2010 2:29:17 PM   
MrMister


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery


quote:

ORIGINAL: couldbemage


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Also, having a working refrigerator is a health issue.

I'm all for alternate approaches to housing and power, but I'm with the man on this one.


I've known many people that lived without refrigerators.

What health issue?



Spoiling food. This is in Arizona.

Just saying I don't find the regulation extreme.


With all due respect Musicmystery, what right is it for any person/s or government entity to encroach on the privacy of any other human being and mandate that they have enough power to run a refrigerator?




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RE: City condems house for only using solar - 2/1/2010 2:32:18 PM   
Musicmystery


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Status: offline 		Oh good grief. We're going in circles.

For health, fire, safety, a host of other issues, home building is regulated.

This home had pathetically little power, and the owner was stealing electricity. It was also clearly never inspected.

That's OK, with you, fine. I don't find the government's position a problem.

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RE: City condems house for only using solar - 2/1/2010 2:42:12 PM   
MrMister


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Oh good grief. We're going in circles.

For health, fire, safety, a host of other issues, home building is regulated.

This home had pathetically little power, and the owner was stealing electricity. It was also clearly never inspected.

That's OK, with you, fine. I don't find the government's position a problem.


Please point out how asking you a simple question is going in circles? If you are going to make a comment, shouldn't someone be able to merely ask for an explanation. There is absolutely no need whatsoever to use that sort of tone with me for asking you what gives the government any right condemn the house for any of the reasons you've mentioned.

You ARE entitled to think and believe as you chose, just as everyone else is here in this forum, including myself.

And the following is what I think and believe; in regards to the home building regulations, please refer to my previous post. Building regulations are not for public safety, or any other governmental liability issues. They are only about money and power.





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RE: City condems house for only using solar - 2/1/2010 2:43:47 PM   
domiguy


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RE: City condems house for only using solar - 2/1/2010 2:45:10 PM   
Musicmystery


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quote:

quote:



ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Also, having a working refrigerator is a health issue.

I'm all for alternate approaches to housing and power, but I'm with the man on this one.

quote:



I've known many people that lived without refrigerators.

What health issue?

quote:


Spoiling food. This is in Arizona.

Just saying I don't find the regulation extreme.



With all due respect Musicmystery, what right is it for any person/s or government entity to encroach on the privacy of any other human being and mandate that they have enough power to run a refrigerator?


Here ya go. Full circle.

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RE: City condems house for only using solar - 2/1/2010 2:45:12 PM   
Jeffff


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I liked that..:)

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RE: City condems house for only using solar - 2/1/2010 2:47:00 PM   
MrMister


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RE: City condems house for only using solar - 2/1/2010 3:00:44 PM   
MrMister


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Status: offline 		In my view this is not a wring one's hands moment, instead the entire incident is very instructive, which is precisely the reason I posted this thread.

I doubt I can have my sensibilities offended any further by the State, I can learn from the expensive lessons of others, and hopefully others can as well.

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RE: City condems house for only using solar - 2/1/2010 3:01:17 PM   
pahunkboy


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Status: offline 		Ok- lets get real here people.

I dont care if the next door neighbor has a fridge.

I DO care is garbage attracts rats and bugs.   At the same time I have the same responsibility to not attract  rats, bugs- you can throw in there too to keep the place somewhat in order.   I just complained about the rain gutter the wind blew- that spews water into my basement.

I am not sure if I even can do that.

But at the same time- this is a 2 way street- the neighbors get the same consideration in return.

by and large most let live and leave others alone.

I do have to wonder if this person had a hard time getting along with others.


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RE: City condems house for only using solar - 2/1/2010 3:07:33 PM   
MrMister


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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

Ok- lets get real here people.

I dont care if the next door neighbor has a fridge.

I DO care is garbage attracts rats and bugs.   At the same time I have the same responsibility to not attract  rats, bugs- you can throw in there too to keep the place somewhat in order.   I just complained about the rain gutter the wind blew- that spews water into my basement.

I am not sure if I even can do that.

But at the same time- this is a 2 way street- the neighbors get the same consideration in return.

by and large most let live and leave others alone.

I do have to wonder if this person had a hard time getting along with others.



Jackpot there pahunkboy, as long as this lady wasn't posing a health threat or being a determent to others, it doesn't warrant the measures that were taken. The article listed does not mention that she was such.

It's always struck me, things like this, that it still surprises people the depths that even the local Govt will go to in order to maintain power over even the humblest of the residents. 

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RE: City condems house for only using solar - 2/1/2010 3:10:19 PM   
Slavehandsome


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Status: offline 		If you're "wondering what this is really about", simply follow the money trail. The energy industry wrote the legislation and then lobbied to get it passed. This is also how the bank bailouts happened, and how mandatory health insurance is about to pass. Obama campaigned for mandatory health insurance, and all that's left to debate is to make sure that the government doesn't have to pay for it, so that all the costs fall on the taxpayers' shoulders. Its simply an industry-written law, and when corporations own the politicians, the industry's will is translated into law. Does that help you to understand why that woman lost out? If you've ever seen Cool Hand Luke, there's a phrase that applies here "you gotta get yer mind right". Another saying comes to mind "the American people won't stand for it!!!" hmmmm

Slavehandsome

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RE: City condems house for only using solar - 2/1/2010 3:19:02 PM   
Musicmystery


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Status: offline 		If you think mandatory health insurance is about to pass, I'd sure like to see your reasoning.

'Cuz it sure as shit looks dead from over here.

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RE: City condems house for only using solar - 2/1/2010 3:23:48 PM   
willbeurdaddy


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quote:

ORIGINAL: MrMister

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Oh good grief. We're going in circles.

For health, fire, safety, a host of other issues, home building is regulated.

This home had pathetically little power, and the owner was stealing electricity. It was also clearly never inspected.

That's OK, with you, fine. I don't find the government's position a problem.


Please point out how asking you a simple question is going in circles? If you are going to make a comment, shouldn't someone be able to merely ask for an explanation. There is absolutely no need whatsoever to use that sort of tone with me for asking you what gives the government any right condemn the house for any of the reasons you've mentioned.

You ARE entitled to think and believe as you chose, just as everyone else is here in this forum, including myself.

And the following is what I think and believe; in regards to the home building regulations, please refer to my previous post. Building regulations are not for public safety, or any other governmental liability issues. They are only about money and power.






Surrrrrreee they are.

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RE: City condems house for only using solar - 2/1/2010 3:27:27 PM   
Musicmystery


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RE: City condems house for only using solar - 2/1/2010 3:34:16 PM   
pahunkboy


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quote:

ORIGINAL: MrMister

quote:

ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

Ok- lets get real here people.

I dont care if the next door neighbor has a fridge.

I DO care is garbage attracts rats and bugs.   At the same time I have the same responsibility to not attract  rats, bugs- you can throw in there too to keep the place somewhat in order.   I just complained about the rain gutter the wind blew- that spews water into my basement.

I am not sure if I even can do that.

But at the same time- this is a 2 way street- the neighbors get the same consideration in return.

by and large most let live and leave others alone.

I do have to wonder if this person had a hard time getting along with others.



Jackpot there pahunkboy, as long as this lady wasn't posing a health threat or being a determent to others, it doesn't warrant the measures that were taken. The article listed does not mention that she was such.

It's always struck me, things like this, that it still surprises people the depths that even the local Govt will go to in order to maintain power over even the humblest of the residents. 



For the most part- that is how we operate here in central PA.    It works.

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